LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

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If you're Edmonton, I think you can

Well , you thought wrong, now didnt you?

 

[Smeagoal]

If you're Edmonton, I think you can

No you can't. If JP is on the board, you take him. EDM made the right choice and chose the BPA.

 

[keslerburrows]

How does he compare to top defensemen in drafts prior to this year? Provorov for example?

 

[PrinceOfPucks]

I agree with a lot of the scouting reports that stylistically compare him to Ryan Suter

 

[PrinceOfPucks]

How does he compare to top defensemen in drafts prior to this year? Provorov for example?

If you read the thread, before the Canucks chose him, posters were saying he is better than provorov.

Comparisons to Suter, Vlasic

 

[Canucks LB]

I agree with a lot of the scouting reports that stylistically compare him to Ryan Suter

Ryan suter is another good comparison, forgot entirely about him

 

[UsernameWasTaken]

Vancouver fans will run this kid out of town in a couple years to no fault of his own.

Why?

 

[CorgisPer60]

How does he compare to top defensemen in drafts prior to this year? Provorov for example?

Last year was an incredible year for defenseman. This year, not so much. Juolevi has a #2 ceiling in him.

 

[Sarcastic]

Why?

Because it will probably take him longer to get established as a solid player than Tkachuk because of position and people will get unreasonably frustrated about it.

I think he's fine, just maybe not the right city.

 

[Ainec]

Since the lockout here are the top selected Ds. If a defenseman was taken first overall I will add the 2nd defenseman taken in the same draft.

2005 - Brian Lee 9th overall
2006 - Erik Johnson 1st overall, Ty Wishart 16th overall
2007 - Thomas Hickey 4th overall
2008 - said to be the most stacked draft for D throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2009 - defenseman battling for 1st overall throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2010 - Erik Gudbranson 3rd overall
2011 - Adam Larsson 4th overall
2012 - said to be the most stacked draft for D throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2013 - defenseman battling for 1st overall throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2014 - Aaron Ekblad 1st overall, Haydn Fleury 7th overall
2015 - Noah Hanifin 5th overall
2016 - Olli Juolevi 5th overall

So given the history of the last 11 years. Knowing this draft not hyped up as a dmen draft as it were in 2008 and 2012, nor was there a dmen contending for 1st overall at any point during the draft year as it were in 2006, 2009, 2013 we're looking at Juolevi being somewhere here:

Brian Lee
Ty Wishart
Thomas Hickey
Erik Gudbranson
Adam Larsson
Haydn Fleury
Noah Hanifin

But where do you guys see him? I think he's going to be in the range of Haydn Fleury and Noah Hanifin (optimistic and doubtful me given it was a Benning pick)

 

[Zarzh]

Because it will probably take him longer to get established as a solid player than Tkachuk because of position and people will get unreasonably frustrated about it.

I think he's fine, just maybe not the right city.

And the expectation that a top five pick becomes a #1 defenseman. Which is unlikely.

 

[D0ctorCool]

Jesus Christ... I must be the only guy in this thread that hates this pick.

 

[Zaddy91]

And the expectation that a top five pick becomes a #1 defenseman. Which is unlikely.

A top 2/2.5 will be fine

 

[Phenomenon13]

Since the lockout here are the top selected Ds. If a defenseman was taken first overall I will add the 2nd defenseman taken in the same draft.

2005 - Brian Lee 9th overall
2006 - Erik Johnson 1st overall, Ty Wishart 16th overall
2007 - Thomas Hickey 4th overall
2008 - said to be the most stacked draft for D throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2009 - defenseman battling for 1st overall throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2010 - Erik Gudbranson 3rd overall
2011 - Adam Larsson 4th overall
2012 - said to be the most stacked draft for D throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2013 - defenseman battling for 1st overall throughout the draft year (noone had this to say for 2016)
2014 - Aaron Ekblad 1st overall, Haydn Fleury 7th overall
2015 - Noah Hanifin 5th overall
2016 - Olli Juolevi 5th overall

So given the history of the last 11 years. Knowing this draft not hyped up as a dmen draft as it were in 2008 and 2012, nor was there a dmen contending for 1st overall at any point during the draft year as it were in 2006, 2009, 2013 we're looking at Juolevi being somewhere here:

Brian Lee
Ty Wishart
Thomas Hickey
Erik Gudbranson
Adam Larsson
Haydn Fleury
Noah Hanifin

But where do you guys see him? I think he's going to be in the range of Haydn Fleury and Noah Hanifin (optimistic and doubtful me given it was a Benning pick)

Adam Larsson was in contention for first overall that year.
Why are you taking out defenseman in certain draft years? Doesn't that skew the data? The sample size is small enough as it is. Should just extrapolate the data from all comparable defenseman in the draft range: 3-7 or first defenseman taken.

Im really high on Juolevi but I think you underrate Adam Larsson if you think Fleury is going to be above him.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I listened to the McKeens head scout. And he said this guy should be the third or fourth best player in this draft. His poise, skating, defensive abilities are all top teir. He compared him to Lidstrom. He lulls you to sleep because he never puts himself out of possession. And he never makes a mistake. You just don't notice him out there unless you watch him. Even though he's shutting the other teams best player down.

Then he made the point that he couldn't remember the last time a draft eligible kid was the best defensman in the WJC all the way to a championship.

I remember similar things said about another London Knight Fin Defenseman not so long ago.

 

[Canucks LB]

Jesus Christ... I must be the only guy in this thread that hates this pick.

Hard to hate a guy who is at worst a #3 d-man.

His hockey IQ is off the charts

 

[nostalrius]

He compares himself to OEL.

And notes Shea Weber as his favourite player.

 

[CashMash]

Or people who saw Tkachuk still sitting there.



I like to talk about players I don't watch too. That makes us both really cool people.

Except for the fact that I have seen Virtanen. Didn't look like an impact player on the American OR the international ice. He made so many mistakes and had a bad temperament about it too.

 

[CashMash]

I remember similar things said about another London Knight Fin Defenseman not so long ago.

What's your point? If you mean there is a problem with Määttä, having followed him for a while now, aside from his skating, he used to be absolutely stellar. His development looks to have taken a hit due to his injuries, as he no longer looks as confident as he used to. He still has a high hockey-iq, but whether or not he will reach his potential due to the numerous problems he has had remains to be seen. Juolevi is also a faster skater.

 

[leaflover]

Nice pick.
In a few years they'll be able to put any other kind of d-man alongside Juolevi and he'll be a good fit.

 

[D0ctorCool]

Hard to hate a guy who is at worst a #3 d-man.

His hockey IQ is off the charts

Fine. Where was the option to vote for him on our polls? He was left off. Nobody questioned it. Now all of a sudden, this pick makes sense and was the right thing to do. Sounds like revisionist history to me. I hope Juolevi proves me wrong, but I'm just not feeling this pick.

 

[Leon Draisaitl]

Solid pick by Vancouver.

This kid's hockey IQ is absolutely insane. I see him having a Lindholm-esque progression.

 

[Derp Kassian]

Because it will probably take him longer to get established as a solid player than Tkachuk because of position and people will get unreasonably frustrated about it.

I think he's fine, just maybe not the right city.

a person out East who's completely out to lunch on a western fanbase? I thought that was only the HNIC and TSN analysts

 

[Zarzh]

A top 2/2.5 will be fine

But the media and casual fans will expect a #1 because he was a top 5 pick. Which is why he could be unfairly ran out of town.

 

[Sarcastic]

a person out East who's completely out to lunch on a western fanbase? I thought that was only the HNIC and TSN analysts

I'm on the West Coast and I've been here all my life. I'm pretty sure I have a grasp on expectations in this city.