LD Olli Juolevi - TPS, Liiga (2016, 5th, VAN)

[93LEAFS]

Was listening to Kirk Luedeke talk about these prospects and he feels Chychrun has a high floor but a low ceiling compared to these guys.

I was able to watch Juolevi during his last games, and I tried to pay attention to small plays, and he seems to be damm smart, he makes smart plays, knows where the play is going and takes the right lane before the play even happens and nothing dangerous rarely happens.

But it's weird to see scouts being so high on him when you read the HF and see so many negative comments about his game.

I agree Chychrun probably has a high floor, but his ceiling is insanely high, its just a much bigger risk he reaches it. It really comes down to if you think his issues this year were just due to his shoulder and an unlucky stretch, or if you believe his hockey IQ is low. I think its more likely to be the former than the latter, and his IQ is more inline with what he showed at 16, and he is a bit of a victim of over-scouting. Due to this, I think he has a very high ceiling, but if you disagree on his hockey IQ I can see where Luedeke is coming from. Its the main reason I think Chych still goes top 10, as it only takes one GM/Scouting Director/staff with my line of thinking for him to be valued fairly highly.

 

[BB88]

I agree Chychrun probably has a high floor, but his ceiling is insanely high, its just a much bigger risk he reaches it. It really comes down to if you think his issues this year were just due to his shoulder and an unlucky stretch, or if you believe his hockey IQ is low. I think its more likely to be the former than the latter, and his IQ is more inline with what he showed at 16, and he is a bit of a victim of over-scouting. Due to this, I think he has a very high ceiling, but if you disagree on his hockey IQ I can see where Luedeke is coming from. Its the main reason I think Chych still goes top 10, as it only takes one GM/Scouting Director/staff with my line of thinking for him to be valued fairly highly.

The way Kirk talked about him it had nothing to do with his shoulder injury.
It was questions around his IQ/visio/ instincts, him being too passive in certain plays and how Chychrun-Fabbro pairing worked at the U18.

http://bigbadblog.weei.com/sports/b...-weighs-in-on-bruins-2015-picks-a-year-later/

17:00.

More talk about these top D-prospects by Kirk with Hagg/Murphy a bit earlier.
http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/podcast-bruins-defenseman-future-could-be-there-taking

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I was against the Flames drafting this guy. But if he becomes another Brodie... Yeah I think we could use another Brodie

 

[Hokinaittii]

 

[TT1]

great pick Nucks, you won't regret it

 

[PavelBrendl]

I'm at work so I can't watch, but Button's comments on the TSN draft feed make this kid sound like the second coming of Lidstrom.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Was never too high on this kid, hopefully for Nucks fans this doesn't turn out to be another Virtanen pick

 

[Breakers]

Shocking pick by Vancouver

But a very solid pick, Most people had him as the top D-man

Looks like a 2 year project to fill out that frame.

 

[JerkChicken]

One note about Juolevi is that he can go straight to the AHL next year. He doesn't have to go the traditional 'NHL or Junior only' route, as he's on loan from Europe. (Or something to that effect)

 

[Virtanen2Horvat]

Juolevi - Tanev
Hutton - Gudbranson
Edler - Tryamkin

for the future.

 

[Red Piller]

Was never too high on this kid, hopefully for Nucks fans this doesn't turn out to be another Virtanen pick

Jake Virtanen is still really young. Are you writing him off already? Columbus really ****ed us by taking PLD so this is what we ended up with. Hope he develops into a 45 to 50 point top 2 puck mover.

 

[Red Piller]

Juolevi - Tanev
Hutton - Gudbranson
Edler - Tryamkin

for the future.

word. Pretty balanced defense if Juo and Tryamkin develop into good pros

 

[Virtanen2Horvat]

Juolevi is the first Dman I would have gone with so Benning did well with drafting a Dman, I just wanted a forward.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Well, I guess if JB really wants a D at #5, at least he got the best one

 

[Tobi Wan Kenobi]

Juolevi - Tanev
Hutton - Gudbranson
Edler - Tryamkin

for the future.

Juolevi Tanev
Hutton Gudbranson
Tryamkin Stecher/Subban

 

[BigTruzz]

He could go down as the best dman in Canucks history. Lot's of Canucks fans overreacting as usual. His hockey IQ is off the charts, just needs another 1/2 years to get stronger and fill out.

 

[Zombotron]

One note about Juolevi is that he can go straight to the AHL next year. He doesn't have to go the traditional 'NHL or Junior only' route, as he's on loan from Europe. (Or something to that effect)

The silver lining

 

[Robongo01]

One note about Juolevi is that he can go straight to the AHL next year. He doesn't have to go the traditional 'NHL or Junior only' route, as he's on loan from Europe. (Or something to that effect)

Has this been confirmed? That's awesome if true

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Was never too high on this kid, hopefully for Nucks fans this doesn't turn out to be another Virtanen pick

Except for the fact that they're 2 totally different fundamentally different players. Juolevi's hockey IQ alone likely makes him project as a top-4 d with a floor of a #3, Virtanen's floor is bottom 6.

Really warming up to the pick, Maatta before his health issues is a very good comp imo.

 

[Nalyd Psycho]

Not a bad pick, safe, bland and boring, but not bad.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I had him as my best D man in the draft. A real good pick by the Canucks. This type of D man makes teams better.

 

[Sarcastic]

The only people that hate this pick are radical Canuck fans.

 

[CashMash]

Was never too high on this kid, hopefully for Nucks fans this doesn't turn out to be another Virtanen pick

Juolevi is known for his really high hockey IQ, doubt he ends up anything like Virtanen at all. Virtanen's problem is that he is dumb as a brick.

 

[Canucks LB]

Best d man in the draft. But man i wanted tkachuk

 

[ProstheticConscience]

The only people that hate this pick are radical Canuck fans.

Or people who saw Tkachuk still sitting there.

Juolevi is known for his really high hockey IQ, doubt he ends up anything like Virtanen at all. Virtanen's problem is that he is dumb as a brick.

I like to talk about players I don't watch too. That makes us both really cool people.