Agree 100%. Selecting Juolevi over Tkachuk/Dubois would be the icing on the cake of an absolutely horrendous season. Can't even describe how angry i would be.
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Agree 100%. Selecting Juolevi over Tkachuk/Dubois would be the icing on the cake of an absolutely horrendous season. Can't even describe how angry i would be.
Might not be impossible, but not sure if it's likely. People keeps repeating that the Oilers could/should pick a defenseman with their pick, but it would be a huge mistake IMO. Edmonton might need defence more than anything else right now, but they could also have use of a big forward that can score while also playing a heavy game, because they don't really have that type of player right now. I could see Tkachuk being a great fit with McDavid down the road.
If i were the Oilers, i would keep McDavid, Hall and Draisaitl, and trade RNH, Eberle and Yakupov (depending on what you can get for him) to acquire the defenseman/men that they need. If they can't get anything good for Yakupov, they keep him for another season trying to boost his value.
A core consisting of 4 great forwards in McDavid, Hall, Draisaitl, Dubois/Tkachuk would be all that they need up front going forward. Outside of those guys up front, all that they need are forwards that can simply fill their roles on the team. They definitely have the trade pieces to acquire at least 1 great defenseman, maybe 2. So no reason to go for Juolevi at 4th IMO, who isn't the 4th best player in the draft.
Don't see it as a possibility. Chiarelli was interviewed at the Memorial Cup about Juolevi specifically. He changed the topic to Tkachuk pretty quickly.
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He just finished a deep tournament run, he's probably still recovering and wouldn't be able to do his best at the trials. No big deal at all, he's still interviewing.
I know Parsons, Tkachuk, Jones and Juolevi declined. I don't think Cliff Pu or Mete participated, but I don't know for sure. Pu and Mete probably had more incentive to, as they are further down.
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I don't think any of the Knights did the fitness testing. Their season ended a week ago.
Tkachuk, Parsons, and Jones didn't do it. I'm not sure about Pu and Mete.
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No issues with non participation from the Knights. No time to switch gears and prepare. Why should they?
Brodie's game is based around his incredible skating more than Juolevi's is. Brodie is more likely to retrieve the puck in the corner, spin off the forechecker and then lead the rush himself. Juolevi is more likely to retrieve the puck in the corner and then immediately outlet it to the best option. Brodie's offensive game is based more off the rush, leading the rush, joining the rush. Juolevi has a higher powerplay upside IMO because his passing and decision making on the powerplay is crisp and efficient. I think Juolevi can be a PP QB. Both don't have bomb point shots. Both are really good with their sticks with poke checking. Juolevi tends to block more shots and get his body in the way more. Neither is really physical although Brodie has the strength to hold his own in corner battles.
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Although I am very high on him, he isn't who the Oilers should take at #4. Take the future top line winger in Tkachuk and trade RNH/Eberle/Yak for defence.
Agreed from canucks fan point of view too im very high on Juol but would still prefer the left over of Tkachuck/Dubois but could see in the future Juol being a allstar #1 dman
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I listened to the McKeens head scout. And he said this guy should be the third or fourth best player in this draft. His poise, skating, defensive abilities are all top teir. He compared him to Lidstrom. He lulls you to sleep because he never puts himself out of possession. And he never makes a mistake. You just don't notice him out there unless you watch him. Even though he's shutting the other teams best player down.
Then he made the point that he couldn't remember the last time a draft eligible kid was the best defensman in the WJC all the way to a championship.
Then he made the point that he couldn't remember the last time a draft eligible kid was the best defensman in the WJC all the way to a championship.
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It can't be all about IQ and poise, he is skinny, doesn't play physical, doesn't put up a lot of points on an offensive juggernaut. Just not the reward you want after a miserable season and first top 5 draft pick of this century for the Canucks.
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You should go back and see how skinny Duncan Keith was when he was drafted, and Juolevi has a couple of inches on him.
I think he'd be a solid pick at #5.
Only if he becomes Keith/Lidström. And I wouldn't bet on it. Thinking more of a Maatta without the misfortunes.
Juolevi is one if not the best defenders what ever have come to Finland and i have watch him to 14-15 years old.
Juolevi didn't get training in summer which effect a lot, he don't have big body like Serg and Chyc which help they dominate juniors, Juolevi have to use his skills, positioning and his smartness. Juolevi was second best defender in WJC and only 17 years old, also broke easily older record points under 18 years old. Doesn't matter what is your opinion is, Juolevi is just best and he skill level is so high and ceiling is 1st D who can play 25 minutes every game.
Serg and Chyc suck U18 and Juolevi was 5 months before one of the best all time in WJC and best in his age in WJC. I seem him a lot just like Vatanen, Määttä, Ristolainen on young age etc. and he is maybe best of them all and his ceiling is very high. McKenzie say he is best all around D and that means most cause best's are, he said that he is very good in every where in the ice. Look his WJC highlights (he has also there second best assists in all time only 17 years old) against much older top end prospects. I think i am more right this. He need more strength but he have very good height and can still crow, but that is only positive thing cause he is so good, but when he get strength, he can use his body more. Only thing which is only thing he have improve is his shot, it's good and very accurate, but it's not enough hard, but that thing changes also when he get more muscle. Do you understand that all around defenders are best ranked defenders and also most valued in NHL. Like Doughty, OEL, Weber, Suter, Keith etc.
Also if you watch ranking consensus, again, Juolevi is still first and own his own for D's: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1854770418
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Weight being the biggest issue with x prospect should be a good sign, weight is easy to add, IQ/Skating not so.
Juolevi just needs some time to add weight, but can't wait to see what he can do this offseason as he should be healthy.
I like Juolevis skating more.
Scouts seem in love with him, and really are relying on him bulking up. Very smart player, but rarely absolutely wowed me over many watchings. But considering how scouts talk about him, I feel he may be a guy who needs to be watched closely live over many viewings to truly appreciate. I thought he could be pressured on small ice at points, and really excelled when the WJC gave him alot of space, but he does have the IQ to adapt. I used to say he was the safest of the 3 OHL d, but had the lowest ceiling. I still agree with the safest, starting to question the lowest ceiling though. Starting to think it could be just as high as Sergachev or Chychrun.
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Was listening to Kirk Luedeke talk about these prospects and he feels Chychrun has a high floor but a low ceiling compared to these guys.
I was able to watch Juolevi during his last games, and I tried to pay attention to small plays, and he seems to be damm smart, he makes smart plays, knows where the play is going and takes the right lane before the play even happens and nothing dangerous rarely happens.
But it's weird to see scouts being so high on him when you read the HF and see so many negative comments about his game.
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