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LD Nikita Tryamkin - Avtomobilist Yekaterinburg, KHL (2014, 66th, VAN)

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IComeInPeace said:
I've never seen a 3rd round pick get so much hype.
Especially true if you consider he doesn't come with any real stat's (aside from his size), awards or accolades (outside of Canucks brass or fans).

That kind of pressure, combined with a kid that is likely not willing to go through an AHL transition period...this has the makings of a big 'fail'.

That's not my commentary on him as a player (I think under different circumstances he could develop into a 4 or 5)...but, this just doesn't feel like the best circumstances for him to be starting his NHL career.
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You would think he was some insanely good player or something. The guy is likely a #5 at best, but will most likely be a #6 or fade into obscurity as the "Russian guy that people, for whatever reason, talked to death on a board that one time."
 
Honour Over Glory said:
You would think he was some insanely good player or something. The guy is likely a #5 at best, but will most likely be a #6 or fade into obscurity as the "Russian guy that people, for whatever reason, talked to death on a board that one time."
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Nah it'll be as that "Russian guy the failing Canucks management hyped to high heaven in a keen death knell upon the hills of a season rife with disappointment as a vain attempt to reattain the support of their fans"
 
amazing how people jump to conclusions after a player played one game in the NHL. hfboards - always a source of well tempered wisdom.
 
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Honour Over Glory said:
You would think he was some insanely good player or something. The guy is likely a #5 at best, but will most likely be a #6 or fade into obscurity as the "Russian guy that people, for whatever reason, talked to death on a board that one time."
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I disagree on his ceiling. He can be a lot more than a #5 if things work out.
 
Honour Over Glory said:
You would think he was some insanely good player or something. The guy is likely a #5 at best, but will most likely be a #6 or fade into obscurity as the "Russian guy that people, for whatever reason, talked to death on a board that one time."
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Well, they call him 2nd Chara for a reason. As far as I remember, Chara was too supposed to be "#5 at best, but will most likely be a #6 or fade into obscurity".
 
Hes a 5 now. Id be shocked if he isnt a middle pairing guy next year. He has 1-2D potential. 3-4 minimum imo.
 
First game pretty much showed Tryamkin right now in a nutshell, strengths and weaknesses. One timer is nasty, he has the skating to keep up with people, the brute strength to be a force, and once he gets a little more confidence going forward and a bit longer of a leash from Desjardins I think we will see that shot more often. He only had 11:33 ice time, yet had an assist, three blocks and three hits. Talk about setting the bar high for himself.

That said, it's clear he is still adjusting to the pace of the game and working on his conditioning (he was on his knees after Canucks' bag skate during practice a couple days ago). It's been a pretty crazy week, so he's probably less out of shape and more just exhausted from the whirlwind of stuff that's been happening for him lately.

The broadcast mentioned Varly's troubles with rebound control on Tryamkin's assist, but I don't blame him for spilling that one. Trying to track a 90+ mph one-timer through a scrum? Good luck.

Is Tryamkin the savior? Not really. But is he the best thing to happen in a while during an otherwise unremarkable season? Probably. It's not a surprise that he would be the target of a lot of news, especially because he's Russian/exotic.
 
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Honour Over Glory said:
You would think he was some insanely good player or something. The guy is likely a #5 at best, but will most likely be a #6 or fade into obscurity as the "Russian guy that people, for whatever reason, talked to death on a board that one time."
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I think his ceiling is considerably higher than a 5.
He's got some obvious attributes that are rare.
You also can't help but wonder how much getting him in top shape will help his game.

But, to be honest, I think the hype says a lot less about him than it does about the state of our team right now.

A mid March game vs the Av's, and there was a whole lot more interest in this game than there otherwise would have been.

By the way it's kind of appalling that a 3rd yr pro could be that out of shape.
I'm not just going by him being near death after the bag skate; but you see the shirtless picture of him on the beach...if he's serious about trying to be better than Chara, a starting point has to be actually committing to doing what it takes to get there.
 
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Part of him looking that way may also be these guys being constantly told that they have to add mass to survive in the NHL. Having extra body fat isn't ideal by any stretch, but imagine what people would say if Tryamkin tipped the scales at 220 at his height instead of 240. I think people would be ripping him as too thin to play at the NHL level were that the case.

By comparison, the verdict on Martin Marincin is that not only is he not physical as a stylistic criticism (and a legitimate one, at that) but also skinny, even though he is 200 pounds (according to HockeyDB, his exact weight probably fluctuates) and almost four inches shorter than Tryamkin is. Going off the admittedly poor metric of BMI (it's all I can use with this little information), Marincin is on the heavier side of normal weight with a BMI of 24.7 (the range is 18.5-24.9). Even his draft weight of 181 pounds at the same height is a BMI of 22.0, yet there he is getting told that he will need to bulk up.

It's hardly uncommon for an elite athlete to be considered overweight on the BMI scale given that it has no way to factor in muscle or fat into the weight measurement. But but it wouldn't surprise me at all if these guys pack on extra weight for this reason even if it's not all muscle; not everyone is a muscle-head like St. Louis or cut as hell like Seguin.

I'll be the first to agree that he looked gassed after the bag skate, I just don't think it's fair to judge him from a shirtless picture.
 
He probably won't get any lighter as he gets in shape. If all goes well he will lose fat and put on muscle mass and probably add 20 lbs. I was surprised when he sat on the bench beside Pedan who at 6'4 is a big man, but Tryamkin is on a whole different level. He is a thick boned guy with a huge head. His hand looked way bigger and thicker than Pedan's. His head is huge. The helmet looked like a kid's helmet on him. He looks under the visor because it sits so high on his face. I can't see him getting down below 220. He is just too big.
 
IComeInPeace said:
I think his ceiling is considerably higher than a 5.
He's got some obvious attributes that are rare.
You also can't help but wonder how much getting him in top shape will help his game.

But, to be honest, I think the hype says a lot less about him than it does about the state of our team right now.

A mid March game vs the Av's, and there was a whole lot more interest in this game than there otherwise would have been.

But the way, I'm appalled a 3rd yr pro could be that out of shape.
I'm not just going by him being near death after the bag skate; but you see the shirtless picture of him on the beach...if he's serious about trying to be better than Chara, a starting point has to be actually committing to doing what it takes to get there.
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I think he was in shape during KHL play-offs, otherwise he couldn't play 20+ min/game, because KHL playoffs are pretty intense. But he wasn't be able to keep up his conditioning during all those bureaucratic procedures of getting visa. And I bet he was crazy jetlagged, because Vancouver is exactly 12 hours from Ekaterinburg.
 
Kshahdoo said:
I think he was in shape during KHL play-offs, otherwise he couldn't play 20+ min/game, because KHL playoffs are pretty intense. But he wasn't be able to keep up his conditioning during all those bureaucratic procedures of getting visa. And I bet he was crazy jetlagged, because Vancouver is exactly 12 hours from Ekaterinburg.
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This, especially considering he was at the rink at 6 a.m the day after his flight (maybe the same night, I don't know).
 
AstoriaIceNinja said:
Part of him looking that way may also be these guys being constantly told that they have to add mass to survive in the NHL. Having extra body fat isn't ideal by any stretch, but imagine what people would say if Tryamkin tipped the scales at 220 at his height instead of 240. I think people would be ripping him as too thin to play at the NHL level were that the case.

By comparison, the verdict on Martin Marincin is that not only is he not physical as a stylistic criticism (and a legitimate one, at that) but also skinny, even though he is 200 pounds (according to HockeyDB, his exact weight probably fluctuates) and almost four inches shorter than Tryamkin is. Going off the admittedly poor metric of BMI (it's all I can use with this little information), Marincin is on the heavier side of normal weight with a BMI of 24.7 (the range is 18.5-24.9). Even his draft weight of 181 pounds at the same height is a BMI of 22.0, yet there he is getting told that he will need to bulk up.

It's hardly uncommon for an elite athlete to be considered overweight on the BMI scale given that it has no way to factor in muscle or fat into the weight measurement. But but it wouldn't surprise me at all if these guys pack on extra weight for this reason even if it's not all muscle; not everyone is a muscle-head like St. Louis or cut as hell like Seguin.

I'll be the first to agree that he looked gassed after the bag skate, I just don't think it's fair to judge him from a shirtless picture.
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Well, I'm just comparing his size to Chara's (not the numbers, but how different their bodies are).

Chara is ripped. I think it shows Chara's comittment level to being the best, and at least to some degree it has to reflect on Tryamkin as well.
 
AstoriaIceNinja said:
Is Tryamkin the savior? Not really. But is he the best thing to happen in a while during an otherwise unremarkable season? Probably. It's not a surprise that he would be the target of a lot of news, especially because he's Russian/exotic.
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Yeah the 'hype' or excitement is more a result of how bad the season has been, highlighted by how ****** our blue line is with career depth guys Yannick Weber, Luca Sbisa, and Matt Bartkowski penciled into the starting six last Summer/Fall. It's very easy to have fun with it and badly over exaggerate ;)

Whether he turns out or not Tryamkin is just a freebie win right now... though if he turns out decent and expansion comes around we'll probably immediately lose him :laugh:
 
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