LD Lane Hutson - Boston University, NCAA (2022, 62nd, MTL)

[Frank Drebin]

Remarkable insight. Did you just time travel from 1985?

Anyway, I don’t know if hitching your wagon to an all-offense defenseman the size of a HS freshman is good practice, but go off MTL fans.

By "hitching your wagon" you mean, being excited for?

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

At Casey’s size he better be showing more offensive potential to be considered a NHL player. I see his ceiling as Samuel Girard and floor as a KHLer. His translatable skillset gets nullified by the lack of offensive potential.

GMs in a redraft would pick Lane by a wide margin due to the sky high ceiling. Its all about potential with small dmen.

Lack of offensive potential? Have you never watched Casey? He just matched Quinn Hughes' freshman season at Michigan despite playing 2nd fiddle to Luke Hughes.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Lack of offensive potential? Have you never watched Casey? He just matched Quinn Hughes' freshman season at Michigan despite playing 2nd fiddle to Luke Hughes.

You can't compare Hughes freshman year when he was in his draft year. Compare his D+1 with Casey's D+1. No comparison. Hughes was a PPG dman. Casey was not even close.

Meanwhile Hutson blew all NCAA D+1 dmen away in his historic season.

Apples to apples! But keep trying there. lol

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

You can't compare Hughes freshman year when he was in his draft year. Compare his D+1 with Casey's D+1. No comparison. Hughes was a PPG dman. Casey was not even close.

Hughes was a late birthday, but whatever. How about Casey vs Makar?

To say Casey lacks offensive upside is laughable. You might want to start watching these guys play instead of stat watching.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

since you're bringing up old threads, dig up what you thought about caufield

Here was his take on Caufield vs Nick Robertson. He's a real sharp hockey mind and judge of talent!

@WhiskeyYerTheDevils should maybe watch these players play rather than stat watching!

Hughes was a late birthday, but whatever.

But whatever.... good rebut.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

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Here was his take on Caufield vs Nick Robertson. He's a real sharp hockey mind and judge of talent!

@WhiskeyYerTheDevils should maybe watch these players play rather than stat watching!


But whatever.... good rebut.

Yep, Robertson's injuries really held him back. Hopefully he's able to get things back on track. Seems like my Caufield comments were pretty accurate though...

Waiting for you to explain how Casey has limited offensive upside despite having a more productive freshman season than Makar.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Yep, Robertson's injuries really held him back. Hopefully he's able to get things back on track. Seems like my Caufield comments were pretty accurate though...

Waiting for you to explain how Casey has limited offensive upside despite having a more productive freshman season than Makar.

I can post another 8 of your completely out to lunch posts on Caufield vs Robertson. You were so far off that its hard to take you seriously. I see ee another one - Kotkaniemi vs Caufield where your irrational hate of Caufield had you, and i quote, "I'd take kotka by a pretty fair margin at this point"!!

Two problems with your posts.

1. You are completely biased being a NJD fan
2. You have an irrational hate for the Habs fans/players
or
3. You are a terrible judge of talent as evidenced by your past lambasting of Caufield.

ITs for those reasons that no one can take you seriously.

Enjoy your Sunday my friend!

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I can post another 8 of your completely out to lunch posts on Caufield vs Robertson. You were so far off that its hard to take you seriously. I see ee another one - Kotkaniemi vs Caufield where your irrational hate of Caufield had you, and i quote, "I'd take kotka by a pretty fair margin at this point"!!

Two problems with your posts.

1. You are completely biased being a NJD fan
2. You have an irrational hate for the Habs fans/players
or
3. You are a terrible judge of talent as evidenced by your past lambasting of Caufield.

ITs for those reasons that no one can take you seriously.

Enjoy your Sunday my friend!

Still waiting for you to explain how Casey has limited offensive upside despite having a more productive freshman season than Makar.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Might want to work on your counting skills.

Still waiting for you to explain how Casey has limited offensive upside despite having a more productive freshman season than Makar.

Produced some offense (but not outstanding by any measure) on a stacked Michigan team. Not even close to the team's best dman. Meanwhile, Lane Hutson accomplished the following:

• First Team All-American (2022-23)
• Walter Brown Award (2022-23)
• Hobey Baker Top-10 Finalist (2022-23)
• New England Player of the Year, Defender of the Year, Rookie of the Year (2022-23)
• Hockey East Rookie of the Year (2022-23)
• Hockey East First Team All-Star (2022-23)
• New England Division I All-Star (2022-23)
• Hockey East Tournament MVP (2023)
• Hockey East All-Rookie Team (2022-23)
• Hockey East Scoring Champion (2022-23)
• Hockey East Player of the Month (January 2023)
• National Rookie of the Month (January 2023)
• Hockey East Defender of the Month (November 2022, October 2022)
• Hockey East Player of the Week (3/20/23, 11/28/22)
• Hockey East Defender of the Week (3/27/23,
• Hockey East Rookie of the Week (3/6/23, 1/30/23, 1/23/23, 11/21/22, 10/31/22)


But again, please explain your irrational hate for Caufield? Or is it you are a terrible judge of player talent? Which is it?

In a re-draft with hindsight, its pretty unanimous that Hutson goes before Casey.

Casey was pretty ordinary in the recent WJ Showcase as well. You know the one where he is against his peers. The one where Lane Hutson blew everyone away. again! Nothing stood out with Casey's play. He only got what? 3 games?

I think its time to put you on ignore as your opinion has no value given your irrational hate.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

But again, please explain your irrational hate for Caufield? Or is it you are a terrible judge of player talent? Which is it?

I hate Caufield so much I predicted he'd score 19 goals in his final 37 games of his rookie season after only 1 goal in his first 30 games:

What's up with Cole Caufield?

That one goal was really nice tho

forums.hfboards.com

And if I'm such a devils homer and Caufield hater, why'd I say "Caufield is waaaay better than Holtz." 2+ years ago?

Cole Caufield potential.

Caufield in playoff this year against Toronto and Winnipeg, show he can shoot the puck... but also got great passing ability with good defensive play. What is potential?

forums.hfboards.com

Produced some offense (but not outstanding by any measure) on a stacked Michigan team. Not even close to the team's best dman

Was freshman Casey supposed to be better than sophomore Luke Hughes?

You need to explain your irrational hate for Casey.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Kotkaniemi vs Caufield where your irrational hate of Caufield had you, and i quote, "I'd take kotka by a pretty fair margin at this point"!!


3. You are a terrible judge of talent as evidenced by your past lambasting of Caufield.

He praised Caufield's goal scoring and said he wouldn't be surprised to see him be a good goal scorer in the NHL. He said he's useless when he's not scoring goals, which is not all that inaccurate. He doesn't win puck battles. The dude has 20 even strength assists in his 123 game NHL career. I had to double check that because of how ridiculous it is. 4th line forwards get that much in that sort of sample accidentally by just occasionally touching the puck. This has been a bit of an issue for Caufield his entire career. The good thing is that his goal scoring (which is notoriously hard to project) HAS carried over well into the NHL level which makes him an effective player despite the weaknesses WYTD pointed out that which remain today.

Maybe he can improve, but the 2.5 year old read on Caufield doesn't look like one that comes from a position of hate. Do whatever victory lap you want because Robertson didn't pan out and is always injured anyways but I wouldn't say that (old) post is an indicator that WYTD has lost all credibility to discuss former USNDTP players.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Here's another one in a Andrei Svechnikov vs Kotkaniemi poll. Seems like every opinion or poll or player comparison you make is WRONG! Why is that? How can we take you seriously?

Andrei Svechnikov vs Jesperi Kotkaniemi

who do you take going forward?

forums.hfboards.com

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Here's another one in a Andrei Svechnikov vs Kotkaniemi poll. Seems like every opinion or poll or player comparison you make is WRONG! Why is that? How can we take you seriously?

Andrei Svechnikov vs Jesperi Kotkaniemi

who do you take going forward?

forums.hfboards.com

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I guess a post from 5 years ago about 2 18 year old rookies (who put up almost identical numbers) is pretty damning. Unfortunately for Kotkaniemi, his development was botched by his org, while Svechnikov was properly developed by the hurricanes. Nice to see Kotkaniemi getting his career back on track. He was very good for the Canes this year.

You seem like you're too busy digging through my post history to even reply to my prior post.

Here it is again in case you've forgotten.

I hate Caufield so much I predicted he'd score 19 goals in his final 37 games of his rookie season after only 1 goal in his first 30 games:

What's up with Cole Caufield?

That one goal was really nice tho

forums.hfboards.com

And if I'm such a devils homer and Caufield hater, why'd I say "Caufield is waaaay better than Holtz." 2+ years ago?

Cole Caufield potential.

Caufield in playoff this year against Toronto and Winnipeg, show he can shoot the puck... but also got great passing ability with good defensive play. What is potential?

forums.hfboards.com

Was freshman Casey supposed to be better than sophomore Luke Hughes?

You need to explain your irrational hate for Casey.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Have we really reached a level where people post examples of other people being wrong in the past?

Everybody's wrong more often than they're right, if that wasn't the case drafts wouldn't even be exciting.

 

[montreal]

what ever happened to the other Hab d prospect (Josh Brook I believe) that was consistently hyped up as one of the best of his draft.

He had what was thought to be a possible career ending knee injury. Last I heard he's still trying to work through it, I know at one point he said he couldn't bend his knee.

 

[hawksrule]

This is a second grade argument. “you’re not as high on my team’s prospect as I want you to be, so I’m going to dig up posts from five years ago about other players because those are super relevant.”

Have a thicker skin, people.

 

[danisonfire]

WhiskeyYerTheDevils is a great prospect. I think he will make the Montreal roster. Can the mods change the thread title it is wrong.

 

[Guttersniped]

Produced some offense (but not outstanding by any measure) on a stacked Michigan team. Not even close to the team's best dman. Meanwhile, Lane Hutson accomplished the following:

• First Team All-American (2022-23)
• Walter Brown Award (2022-23)
• Hobey Baker Top-10 Finalist (2022-23)
• New England Player of the Year, Defender of the Year, Rookie of the Year (2022-23)
• Hockey East Rookie of the Year (2022-23)
• Hockey East First Team All-Star (2022-23)
• New England Division I All-Star (2022-23)
• Hockey East Tournament MVP (2023)
• Hockey East All-Rookie Team (2022-23)
• Hockey East Scoring Champion (2022-23)
• Hockey East Player of the Month (January 2023)
• National Rookie of the Month (January 2023)
• Hockey East Defender of the Month (November 2022, October 2022)
• Hockey East Player of the Week (3/20/23, 11/28/22)
• Hockey East Defender of the Week (3/27/23,
• Hockey East Rookie of the Week (3/6/23, 1/30/23, 1/23/23, 11/21/22, 10/31/22)


But again, please explain your irrational hate for Caufield? Or is it you are a terrible judge of player talent? Which is it?

In a re-draft with hindsight, its pretty unanimous that Hutson goes before Casey.

Casey was pretty ordinary in the recent WJ Showcase as well. You know the one where he is against his peers. The one where Lane Hutson blew everyone away. again! Nothing stood out with Casey's play. He only got what? 3 games?

I think its time to put you on ignore as your opinion has no value given your irrational hate.

This debate is very dumb and I’ve just been rubber necking but what you said contradicts what a bunch of reporters have said.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroit-red-wings/prospects/world-junior-summer-showcase-gameday-two-standouts

A review of some of the top performers from the second round of games at the 2023 World Junior Summer Showcase, featuring Frank Nazar, Rutger McGroarty, Cutter Gauthier, Ryan Leonard, Seamus Casey, and Lane Hutson
<snip>

Seamus Casey & Lane Hutson​

Casey (a 2022 New Jersey Devils second rounder) and Hutson (a 2022 Canadiens second rounder) were NTDP teammates and share a flair for sharp edge work and crisp stick-handling that graces their puck-moving with more than a little deception. I would guess that Hutson has a slightly quicker top speed than Casey, but there's a lot more similar than different about the two players.

In the afternoon game against the Fins, Casey was dominant from the back end for the U.S. He showed his trademark deception, twirling through the neutral zone at his leisure and appearing immune to any pressure the Finnish forecheck might send his way. While better known for his acumen with the puck on his tape, Casey also delivered a bone-crushing open-ice check to Jesse Kiiskinen in the first period of USA Blue's 4-2 win.

The source of Casey's deception is the seamless interplay between his hands and feet. Because of his aptitude in tight spaces with the puck, it appears almost impossible to make him uncomfortable; instead, he always seems to find himself an escape route, whether with a sudden cutback, a head fake to send his defender the wrong way, or a slipped pass to a nearby teammate.

Hutson is every bit as deceptive, and he is of course smooth, but it looks a bit different. Despite his small stature (he's officially listed at five-foot-nine, 155 pounds, and I'd take the under on both those numbers), Hutson plays from a crouch—almost hiding in plain sight as he perambulates the rink. There is a modesty to the way he appears to conceal the brilliance of his skating and stick-handling, and it's the harmony of his hands and feet that appears most reminiscent of Casey.

With the outcome of the evening game beyond all doubt, Hutson scored a magisterial goal to bring the score to 6-0 USA, evading poke checks from both Swedish defensemen and snaking his way to the goal mouth, before roofing home the puck.

Emptying the notebook from the World Junior Summer Showcase

Associate Editor Sean Shapiro breaks down the players that filled out his notebook during the WJSS in Plymouth this past week.

eprinkside.com

Lane Hutson – Scored the prettiest goal of the showcase, a dipsy-doodle dangle from below the goal line against Sweden, and consistently made the game look easy. It was already known after his freshman year at college hockey, but it’s not really fair to consider under-20 hockey Hutson’s peers anymore. He’ll be one of Team USA’s most important pieces in Sweden at the tournament.

Seamus Casey – The New Jersey Devils prospect is one of the few defenceman that stood out to me for actual defensive reasons from Team USA at the camp. Something to think about as the construct the roster for December and January.

World Junior Summer Showcase: Top performers from Day 2

Both American teams bounced back in a big way to win in Plymouth, Michigan on Monday.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

One of three from team USA, first player listed.

#20 Lane Hutson, D (Montreal Canadiens): What else is there to say about Hutson that hasn’t been said already? The kid’s incredible. He played on the penalty kill, he played on the power play and excelled at 5-on-5. He scored one of the nicest goals he has ever scored. He grabbed an assist on William Whitelaw’s goal that made it 2-0. But that goal he scored himself… dang.

World Junior Summer Showcase: Top performers from Day 1
One of three from team USA, first player listed.

#36, Seamus Casey, D (New Jersey Devils):Right off the hop, Casey looked engaged at both ends. He was shooting, calling for passes, making moves and skating well. I wanted to see him on this team a year ago, but there were enough veterans where he wasn’t needed. This time, with no Luke Hughes, I’d expect Casey to play heavy power-play minutes.

1) Draft position aside, my guess is Hutson will be ranked higher on public rankings of drafted prospects.

You can disagree but pushing hard for Casey in a Hutson thread seems weird to me. Casey got plenty of praise for his play at the showcase though.

 

[danisonfire]

This debate is very dumb and I’ve just been rubber necking but what you said contradicts what a bunch of reporters have said.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/detroit-red-wings/prospects/world-junior-summer-showcase-gameday-two-standouts

Emptying the notebook from the World Junior Summer Showcase

Associate Editor Sean Shapiro breaks down the players that filled out his notebook during the WJSS in Plymouth this past week.

eprinkside.com

World Junior Summer Showcase: Top performers from Day 2

Both American teams bounced back in a big way to win in Plymouth, Michigan on Monday.

www.dailyfaceoff.com

One of three from team USA, first player listed.




World Junior Summer Showcase: Top performers from Day 1
One of three from team USA, first player listed.



1) Draft position aside, my guess is Hutson will be ranked higher on public rankings of drafted prospects.

You can disagree but pushing hard for Casey in a Hutson thread seems weird to me. Casey got plenty of praise for his play at the showcase though.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Casey as a prospect. I'll take him on MTL.

He just keeps derailing the Lane Hutson thread like you mentioned.

I'd rather people bump the Casey thread so we can all see more of him.

Montreal fans post so many Hutson clips on social media because he does crazy shit all the time. He is always near the top of the prospects section on HF. Fans get pissed seeing it all the time and start to lash out and belittle the player. They do this to avoid giving the player credit for the crazy plays and justify the negative takes.

The better option is to post more clips of your guy. I want to see those clips too.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Casey as a prospect. I'll take him on MTL.

He just keeps derailing the Lane Hutson thread like you mentioned.

I'd rather people bump the Casey thread so we can all see more of him.

Montreal fans post so many Hutson clips on social media because he does crazy shit all the time. He is always near the top of the prospects section on HF. Fans get pissed seeing it all the time and start to lash out and belittle the player. They do this to avoid giving the player credit for the crazy plays and justify the negative takes.

The better option is to post more clips of your guy. I want to see those clips too.

I didn't even bring up Casey. I replied to a habs fan who claimed there wasn't a single GM on the planet who wouldn't take Hutson over Casey, which I disagreed with. Since then I've been replying to posts from many different posters, ranging from clarifying questions to personal attacks.

I'm on record in this thread talking about how good Hutson is, he's got incredible talent with the puck in the offensive zone.

 

[Frank Drebin]

same 5-6 guys trying to set habs fans straight. Give it a rest.

 

[Akrapovince]

will see if Hutson's size becomes an issue later on in the NHL but today hes very impressive and fun to watch

I think personally it would only be an issue if he was 6 foot 2 today and magically shrunk to his current size when he gets to the NHL.

 

[bigdog16]

I didn't even bring up Casey. I replied to a habs fan who claimed there wasn't a single GM on the planet who wouldn't take Hutson over Casey, which I disagreed with. Since then I've been replying to posts from many different posters, ranging from clarifying questions to personal attacks.

I'm on record in this thread talking about how good Hutson is, he's got incredible talent with the puck in the offensive zone.

This might have been me, and for the record i despise Montreal. I probably went overboard with that comment. Casey is a fine prospect but its hard to argue that hes ahead of Hutson after the season he just had.

I think it may be more fair to say Hutsons ceiling is higher and Casey is a safer bet to play a role in the NHL.

This thread went off the rails. I will leave it with I wish NYR had either one of them

 

[LeProspector]

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Here was his take on Caufield vs Nick Robertson. He's a real sharp hockey mind and judge of talent!

@WhiskeyYerTheDevils should maybe watch these players play rather than stat watching!


But whatever.... good rebut.

Guarantee you have some pretty wild takes given you’re a passionate Finnish fan boy, not just a passionate Habs fan boy.

Passion is great, but it also leads you to be blind at times.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Guarantee you have some pretty wild takes given you’re a passionate Finnish fan boy, not just a passionate Habs fan boy.

Passion is great, but it also leads you to be blind at times.

I'm Finnish? LOL