LD Lane Hutson - Boston University, NCAA (2022, 62nd, MTL)

[BKarchitect]

I think if Hutson / Casey were drafted this year as 19 year olds, 90% of GMs would take Lane over Seamus based on Lane's historic season and growth. They are essentially the same size - which was the key knock on Lane during his draft.

The key knock on Hutson is not his size.

Habs fans seem to get annoyed when that gets brought up. So stop bringing it up.

It Hutson’s skating mechanics and power are good enough, there’s zero question he’s gonna have a role at the NHL level.

You are deflecting right now and your conjecture that 90% of GMs have the same opinion is a completely made up and useless number.

This is why we can’t have an honest discussion here. I am a Hutson fan. I am a Team USA fan. I am an NCAA hockey fan. I’m neither a Habs or Devils fan. And I’ve done nothing but praise, with a bit of levity, Hutson’s amazing skill and development in this thread.

And that’s still not enough for some of you to not think”he’s just hating on my guy”.

 

[Ezpz]

So Hutson's unprecedented season didn't move the needle eh? lol

Well you know Hutson had literally the best NCAA rookie season in history for a defenseman at a time when the league is stronger than it's ever been and most redrafts have him top five in the draft, but you know brother.. I like this significantly lesser prospect's game cause my team drafted him ahead of Hutson. I don't care that he objectively is a worse prospect or had a worse season.

This is the type of mete over sergachev nonsense I'd expect on the Habs board to cope with the trade.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Well you know Hutson had literally the best NCAA rookie season in history for a defenseman at a time when the league is stronger than it's ever been and most redrafts have him top five in the draft, but you know brother.. I like this significantly lesser prospect's game cause my team drafted him ahead of Hutson. I don't care that he objectively is a worse prospect or had a worse season.

This is the type of mete over sergachev nonsense I'd expect on the Habs board to cope with the trade.

Historic seasons are meaning less when apparently you have skating issues. Issues that don't seem to exist when you are having a historic season.

GMs will overlook said historic season in a re-draft.

 

[Ezpz]

Historic seasons are meaning less when apparently you have skating issues. Issues that don't seem to exist when you are having a historic season.

GMs will overlook said historic season in a re-draft.

It's not any different than when Calgary drafted Gaudreau and everyone tried to pretend he wouldn't even crack the first round in a redraft. Drafts would change considerably every year if a redo was allowed for the d+1.

 

[BKarchitect]

Well you know Hutson had literally the best NCAA rookie season in history for a defenseman at a time when the league is stronger than it's ever been and most redrafts have him top five in the draft, but you know brother.. I like this significantly lesser prospect's game cause my team drafted him ahead of Hutson. I don't care that he objectively is a worse prospect or had a worse season.

This is the type of mete over sergachev nonsense I'd expect on the Habs board to cope with the trade.

Where are the “most redrafts have him top 5”…let’s see who these sources are. Got the links?

Again, what are you guys gonna talk about when if he has less points this year but improves his play off the puck and has even more situational usage on BU? Are you gonna knock him down on your lists because his season will have been, according to the stats “less historic”? Or are you going to suddenly dive deeper into the analysis to draw your conclusions in terms of his development as an NHL prospect rather than just toss around words like “historic” and “Gaudreau”?

Platitudes. Be excited but perhaps don’t scoff at the idea that another great prospect like Casey may be considered in the same vein as a future NHL commodity. Prefer your guy by all means - but the snickering is completely unqualified.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

It's not any different than when Calgary drafted Gaudreau and everyone tried to pretend he wouldn't even crack the first round in a redraft. Drafts would change considerably every year if a redo was allowed for the d+1.

The thing is, i am cautiously optimistic regarding Lane Hutson's future. He has plenty of room for improvement.

But what i can't accept are NJD fans saying that in a re-draft, and with the benefit of hindsight, that Casey would be drafted over Hutson. That's just idiotic at best and homeristic at worst.

A historic season means something.

 

[stevo61]

the redraft thing got me curious. Havent found any that rank him in the top 10 yet but eliteprospects did put him at 19 and the 5th defeseman off the board so there is that

I see now that the EP one was user submitted so not their own. Still no top 10s though

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Well you know Hutson had literally the best NCAA rookie season in history for a defenseman at a time when the league is stronger than it's ever been and most redrafts have him top five in the draft, but you know brother.. I like this significantly lesser prospect's game cause my team drafted him ahead of Hutson. I don't care that he objectively is a worse prospect or had a worse season.

This is the type of mete over sergachev nonsense I'd expect on the Habs board to cope with the trade.

I had Casey well ahead of a Hutson before they were even drafted. Has nothing to do with him being a Devil.

 

[Ligue]

Wtf is this redraft talk about ?? The 2022 draft doesnt even combine for 100 nhl games and NHL drafts are absolute dogshit in terms of predictability compared to other leagues.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

The thing is, i am cautiously optimistic regarding Lane Hutson's future. He has plenty of room for improvement.

But what i can't accept are NJD fans saying that in a re-draft, and with the benefit of hindsight, that Casey would be drafted over Hutson. That's just idiotic at best and homeristic at worst.

A historic season means something.

A historically productive season means something. It doesn't mean everything. There's more to being a great defenseman than scoring points.

At this point, I think Hutson is more likely to be a Tony DeAngelo caliber player than a Cake Makar. Which is still a valuable type of player in today's NHL.

 

[hawksrule]

Well you know Hutson had literally the best NCAA rookie season in history for a defenseman at a time when the league is stronger than it's ever been and most redrafts have him top five in the draft, but you know brother.. I like this significantly lesser prospect's game cause my team drafted him ahead of Hutson. I don't care that he objectively is a worse prospect or had a worse season.

This is the type of mete over sergachev nonsense I'd expect on the Habs board to cope with the trade.

Why not just be happy that you have an exciting prospect that you got at the end of the second round? Repeatedly asserting that he’s top five in most redrafts doesn’t make it so, is backed up by nothing, and has no on ice impact, so what’s the payoff?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

A historically productive season means something. It doesn't mean everything. There's more to being a great defenseman than scoring points.

At this point, I think Hutson is more likely to be a Tony DeAngelo caliber player than a Cake Makar. Which is still a valuable type of player in today's NHL.

A historically productive season means that in a re-draft, Hutson would have been selected far ahead of Casey. Its not even debatable. How both players turns out is yet to be determined. But don't kid yourself that in a redraft Casey is ahead of Hutson.

 

[Ezpz]

A historically productive season means that in a re-draft, Hutson would have been selected far ahead of Casey. Its not even debatable. How both players turns out is yet to be determined. But don't kid yourself that in a redraft Casey is ahead of Hutson.

This is exactly it, I'm not going to @ any of the replies I got. Hutson is inarguably a better prospect than Casey and every team in the league would take Hutson over him after their D+1 including New Jersey. That doesn't mean Hutson is going to be better in the future but Hutson had the best D+1 of any dman prospect that didn't immediately make the NHL in the last 10 years. That is the exact type of potential you bet on in a draft.

 

[stevo61]

This is exactly it, I'm not going to @ any of the replies I got. Hutson is inarguably a better prospect than Casey and every team in the league would take Hutson over him after their D+1 including New Jersey. That doesn't mean Hutson is going to be better in the future but Hutson had the best D+1 of any dman prospect that didn't immediately make the NHL in the last 10 years. That is the exact type of potential you bet on in a draft.

He didnt even have the best season from a defenseman for his own draft. While he was putting up numbers in college Nemec/Jiricek were playing important roles in the AHL. They were also much better in the only tournament they all played in at the WJC

 

[danisonfire]

A historically productive season means something. It doesn't mean everything. There's more to being a great defenseman than scoring points.

At this point, I think Hutson is more likely to be a Tony DeAngelo caliber player than a Cake Makar. Which is still a valuable type of player in today's NHL.

Being +25 in his historic season at 5v5 surely helps.

He has one negative plus minus in his entire HockeyDB (-1 in 4 total games). +27 in the USHL, +59 in the NTDP, +12 in the WJC-18, +1 at the WJC-20, and +7 in the WC against professional men. If he was a -25 at even strength every season with the same production I would tell him to switch to forward.

I get that he will get caught flat footed a few times and burned at his size but it doesn't currently or historcially seem to be crippling his teams at 5v5. Add in his consistent astronomical offensive production (both at 5v5 and on the PP) and I don't really think his teams or coaches care. People see the size and are just parroting stereotypes from the ancient past.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

A historically productive season means that in a re-draft, Hutson would have been selected far ahead of Casey. Its not even debatable. How both players turns out is yet to be determined. But don't kid yourself that in a redraft Casey is ahead of Hutson.

It's perfectly debatable. Don't be so arrogant and narrow minded because he was drafted by your team.

DeAngelo put up a similarly impressive season in his draft+1 year. Putting up points isn't the only thing that matters.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

It's perfectly debatable. Don't be so arrogant and narrow minded because he was drafted by your team.

DeAngelo put up a similarly impressive season in his draft+1 year. Putting up points isn't the only thing that matters.

That's not true. Hutson's season has not been done since Brian Leetch. DeAngelo's was not historic in any manner. Hutson did it in College against older players - a more challenging league.

Its your Devil's bias that is clouding your judgement. That's assuming that you had any reasonable judgement to start with...

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Being +25 in his historic season at 5v5 surely helps.

He has one negative plus minus in his entire HockeyDB (-1 in 4 total games). +27 in the USHL, +59 in the NTDP, +12 in the WJC-18, +1 at the WJC-20, and +7 in the WC against professional men. If he was a -25 at even strength every season with the same production I would tell him to switch to forward.

I get that he will get caught flat footed a few times and burned at his size but it doesn't currently or historcially seem to be crippling his teams at 5v5. Add in his consistent astronomical offensive production (both at 5v5 and on the PP) and I don't really think his teams or coaches care.

Yeah, he's not playing against NHL players yet. He's a great play driver and offensive player. I would expect him to be tilting the ice.

But he won't be able to rely on being so puck dominant at the next level.

 

[danisonfire]

Yeah, he's not playing against NHL players yet. He's a great play driver and offensive player. I would expect him to be tilting the ice.

But he won't be able to rely on being so puck dominant at the next level.

World Championships.

You said the same thing was going to happen to him at BU in the NCAA vs older players. How did that turn out? Now you are telling us there is more to scoring after he broke Brian Leetch's scoring record when he was +25 at even strength. He also elevated his game in all of the big games and was extremely clutch to win the championship.

He seems to be having no issues so far. I can find a video of every NHL D getting walked. One video is not a big deal. When he starts getting walked 5 times per game for 5 goals against it might be an issue. Overblown.

This biggest reason he will succeed is because he is smart, agile and SKATES WITH HIS HEAD UP AT ALL TIMES.

Having your head down is the biggest career ender for skilled players who don't make it. Size doesn't even change this. See Eric Lindros. If anyone, you should be worried about Slafkovsky, not Hutson. Slafkovsky is the one that might hit a brick wall in the NHL.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

That's not true. Hutson's season has not been done since Brian Leetch. DeAngelo's was not historic in any manner. Hutson did it in College against older players - a more challenging league.

Its your Devil's bias that is clouding your judgement. That's assuming that you had any reasonable judgement to start with...

DeAngelo had 15 goals 51 points +33 in 26 games after being shipped to the Greyhounds. Yeah, the NCAA is a better league, but that sort of production is just as impressive as what we saw Hutson do.

World Championships.

You said the same thing was going to happen to him at BU in the NCAA vs older players. How did that turn out? Now you are telling us there is more to scoring after he broke Brian Leetch's scoring record when he was +25 at even strength.

He seems to be having no issues so far. I can find a video of every NHL D getting walked. One video is not a big deal. When he starts getting walked 5 times per game for 5 goals against it might be an issue. Overblown.

When did I say that?

 

[danisonfire]

DeAngelo had 15 goals 51 points +33 in 26 games after being shipped to the Greyhounds. Yeah, the NCAA is a better league, but that sort of production is just as impressive as what we saw Hutson do.


When did I say that?

Does the World Championships have NHL players?

Does +7 with 6 points in 9 games in the World Championships sound like a pylon getting walked every shift?

Would the coach put a pylon on the ice at the World Championships when the coach is NHL caliber?

Is +25 at even strength good enough for the historic season in the NCAA to count for you now?

Will the goal posts keep moving for this kid as he continues to smash them?

 

[Junohockeyfan]

DeAngelo had 15 goals 51 points +33 in 26 games after being shipped to the Greyhounds. Yeah, the NCAA is a better league, but that sort of production is just as impressive as what we saw Hutson do.

I will type slower for you:

Lane Hutson had a historic season. One that hasn't been replicated by a dman since Brian Leetch. Note even Cale Makar produced at the level Lane Hutson did when Makar was in D + 1.

But the overall point is that Lane Hutson in a re-draft would be far ahead of Seamus Casey. Why? Because Lane Hutson had a historic season in college hockey and Casey did not - he wasn't even close.

No one would draft Casey over Hutson in a re-draft unless you are a homeristic NJD fans.

Note that this doesn't close the book on who will be the better NHL player. Don't be ashamed to admit you are wrong! Sounds like you have a ton of experience being wrong.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Does the World Championships have NHL players?
Is +25 at even strength good enough for the historic season in the NCAA to count for you now?
Will the goal posts keep moving for this kid as he continues to smash them?

Yeah, and he got exposed a few times at the world championships. Most notably on the goal that ended his tournament.

You said the same thing was going to happen to him at BU in the NCAA vs older players.

Again, when did I say that?

 

[danisonfire]

Yeah, and he got exposed a few times at the world championships. Most notably on the goal that ended his tournament.

Again, when did I say that?

So does Makar, what is you point? It happens to everyone including shutdown D

Yes we keep hearing you talk about this one time he got walked to end the tournament. He was +7 at even strength that tournament.

You said this on June 13, 2022:

"Scoring points is nice and all but not really the most important thing I look for in a defender"

You have been Parrotting the same stuff about "only scoring points" for a while. We get it he isn't what you like in a D. I wouldn't want 7 Lane Hutson's either. I do want one, however. He is not a defensive black hole at 5v5. His page would be filled with negatives at 5v5 and he would have never sniffed the WC.

The kid keeps going out and smashing expectations, including at the WC vs NHL and top EU players. +7 at 5v5, 6 points.

The better question is can Slafkovsky play against men, not Hutson. Head down (Slafkovsky) vs head up (Hutson).

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

I will type slower for you:

Lane Hutson had a historic season. One that hasn't been replicated by a dman since Brian Leetch. Note even Cale Makar produced at the level Lane Hutson did when Makar was in D + 1.

But the overall point is that Lane Hutson in a re-draft would be far ahead of Seamus Casey. Why? Because Lane Hutson had a historic season in college hockey and Casey did not - he wasn't even close.

No one would draft Casey over Hutson in a re-draft unless you are a homeristic NJD fans.

Note that this doesn't close the book on who will be the better NHL player.

If putting up more points in a season gets you drafted over another defenseman, why didn't Hutson get drafted ahead of Casey? He outproduced Casey by the same margin in their draft years as he did during his "historic" NCAA season, yet still was drafted 16 spots afterwards.

You make it seem like that word historic has magical powers. His USNTDP season was the most productive we've seen from a defenseman in terms of PPG. So he's already had a *historic" season before getting drafted, and still went way after Casey.

You really think I'm being a homer thinking that Casey > Hutson, when I had Casey at 4 before the draft even happened? That's laughably logic, even from a habs fan.