Lawsuit against Hockey Canada, CHL over alleged 2018 sexual attack. Add 2003 WJC allegations to investigation. Trial start 9/2025
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LadyStanley
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Seems to be a case of damned if they do and damned if they don't for HC.
They've created an Action Plan that appears to tick all the boxes. What more could they do to convince you that they're dealing seriously with the problem?
LadyStanley
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Some clarification on participation in the initial investigation.
10 players participated. 7 deferred participation until the London police investigation had been completed. 2 more refused entirely. However, the lead investigator for Henein Hutchison says she "later learned" - without clarifying what "later" meant as of yet, that the 2 who refused *meant* they'd wait until after the police investigation.
10 players participated. 7 deferred participation until the London police investigation had been completed. 2 more refused entirely. However, the lead investigator for Henein Hutchison says she "later learned" - without clarifying what "later" meant as of yet, that the 2 who refused *meant* they'd wait until after the police investigation.
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For all the Parliament inquires and investigations planed. All the commotion / miss information and amateur Hardy Boys/ Scooby Do detectives making statements all based on a 1 sided statement of the beginning of a law suit!
Hockey Canada should not have settled !
I say 1 sided statement …… as everything in the media is based on initial letter of claim that started this law suit.
In theory that letters purpose is to shed the most negative aspects of what took place in that hotel room from 1 perspective for the sole purpose to make it look as bad as possible to make the claimant money in a law suit.
None of those statements are guaranteed or proven correct. In court other details and mitigating circumstances and possibly a totally different chain of events may be proven to have occurred.
Hockey Canada settled to try and keep things swept under the rug. It still blew up in their face.
Sure a court case would be embarrassing for a lot of people. But the truth would have come out!
Virtanen just defended himself in a court case. Those 8 players should have defended themselves as well.
Hockey Canada should not have settled !
I say 1 sided statement …… as everything in the media is based on initial letter of claim that started this law suit.
In theory that letters purpose is to shed the most negative aspects of what took place in that hotel room from 1 perspective for the sole purpose to make it look as bad as possible to make the claimant money in a law suit.
None of those statements are guaranteed or proven correct. In court other details and mitigating circumstances and possibly a totally different chain of events may be proven to have occurred.
Hockey Canada settled to try and keep things swept under the rug. It still blew up in their face.
Sure a court case would be embarrassing for a lot of people. But the truth would have come out!
Virtanen just defended himself in a court case. Those 8 players should have defended themselves as well.
LadyStanley
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Question: Why aren't allegations made in a civil lawsuit that, if true, would result in criminal charges, automatically trigger a criminal investigation? I.e. the civil lawsuit cannot proceed until an investigation has been carried out?
Seems to me that an allegation of sexual assault carries a lot of weight as we have seen by Hockey Canada and the CHL's response and the subsequent actions taken by other institutions based primarily on public reaction and perception. Seems to me that it isn't necessarily indicative that the allegations are true despite a settlement being reached.
This isn't to say that HC and the CHL were not motivated to sweep the allegations this under the rug rather than face public scrutiny but it does open the door to "justice", that a criminal action did or did not happen, being compromised.
Seems to me that an allegation of sexual assault carries a lot of weight as we have seen by Hockey Canada and the CHL's response and the subsequent actions taken by other institutions based primarily on public reaction and perception. Seems to me that it isn't necessarily indicative that the allegations are true despite a settlement being reached.
This isn't to say that HC and the CHL were not motivated to sweep the allegations this under the rug rather than face public scrutiny but it does open the door to "justice", that a criminal action did or did not happen, being compromised.
This is a pretty helpful explanation of the civil vs criminal process related to sexual assault
www.lerners.ca
Criminal Process Can Impact a Parallel Civil Process | Lerners
Part one of a two-part series looking at the interrelationship of the criminal and civil justice systems. Read part one to find out how they intersect.
www.lerners.ca
LadyStanley
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IIHF to look into Hockey Canada cases
The IIHF announced Friday that it is launching an inquiry to "obtain additional information" about cases involving Hockey Canada.
theathletic.com
Now the IIHF is checking things out.
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The “young woman” at the centre of the Hockey Canada scandal breaks her silence (and takes a lie detector test indicating she has been truthful).
Details in the Globe & Mail here:
Woman at centre of Hockey Canada scandal breaks silence
Lots of interesting facts in the story, including this:
“And on Thursday, she sat for a private polygraph exam, the results of which were shared with The Globe. . .. The polygraph test, which was arranged and paid for by E.M.’s legal team, was conducted by Zaia Lazar, a forensic polygraph examiner with Business of Truth Polygraph Services. According to a biography included in the polygraph report, Mr. Lazar was a police officer with the London Police Service from 1992 until 2014 and a polygraph examiner with the force from 2006 to 2011.
Mr. Lazar was provided with a synopsis of the case and a copy of E.M.’s statement. He then asked her if she had lied to him regarding her statement, been misleading, and if she had provided even one false account. The document outlining the results of the exam indicated that the examiner found “that [E.M.] was being truthful when she answered ‘No’ to the relevant questions.”
Edit: I wonder if anyone from Hockey Canada would be interested in demonstrating the truthfulness of their statements by undertaking a similar test? Asking for a friend (she’s interested in this story).
Details in the Globe & Mail here:
Woman at centre of Hockey Canada scandal breaks silence
Lots of interesting facts in the story, including this:
“And on Thursday, she sat for a private polygraph exam, the results of which were shared with The Globe. . .. The polygraph test, which was arranged and paid for by E.M.’s legal team, was conducted by Zaia Lazar, a forensic polygraph examiner with Business of Truth Polygraph Services. According to a biography included in the polygraph report, Mr. Lazar was a police officer with the London Police Service from 1992 until 2014 and a polygraph examiner with the force from 2006 to 2011.
Mr. Lazar was provided with a synopsis of the case and a copy of E.M.’s statement. He then asked her if she had lied to him regarding her statement, been misleading, and if she had provided even one false account. The document outlining the results of the exam indicated that the examiner found “that [E.M.] was being truthful when she answered ‘No’ to the relevant questions.”
Edit: I wonder if anyone from Hockey Canada would be interested in demonstrating the truthfulness of their statements by undertaking a similar test? Asking for a friend (she’s interested in this story).
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LeHab
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IIHF to look into Hockey Canada cases
The IIHF announced Friday that it is launching an inquiry to "obtain additional information" about cases involving Hockey Canada.
Now the IIHF is checking things out.
Finally, IIHF should have been way more proactive earlier with at least some generic statement such as "we are aware of serious allegations and investigating". WJC 7 days away....
So far NHL seems the only one to be handling this the "right" way.
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Hockey Canada subject to independent review
Hockey Canada will be subjected to an independent review of its governance structures led by ex-Supreme Court Justice Hon. Thomas Cromwell
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Paywall. Canadian Supreme Court Justice Cromwell to oversee independent review of Hockey Canada.
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Hm. These kinds of board level top-down reviews might help with the specific type of national team incident that started all this and the structure at that high level, but if they were really going to review things in a way that might "...elevate the expectations we have for everyone in hockey and effect positive behaviour from the grassroots to the national team level"... then there needs to be some actual grassroots participation, which these big sporting organizations seem to be incapable of truly involving in any effective way.Hockey Canada subject to independent review
Hockey Canada will be subjected to an independent review of its governance structures led by ex-Supreme Court Justice Hon. Thomas Cromwell
Paywall. Canadian Supreme Court Justice Cromwell to oversee independent review of Hockey Canada.
BadgerBruce
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Agreed. The “lone guy conducting a governance review” approach is absolutely NOT the current best practice and, ironically, is evidence that Hockey Canada’s current governance/board still doesn’t get it.Hm. These kinds of board level top-down reviews might help with the specific type of national team incident that started all this and the structure at that high level, but if they were really going to review things in a way that might "...elevate the expectations we have for everyone in hockey and effect positive behaviour from the grassroots to the national team level"... then there needs to be some actual grassroots participation, which these big sporting organizations seem to be incapable of truly involving in any effective way.
These days, reviews of this nature are usually undertaken by a panel representing different constituencies, with a neutral Chair. That’s the “best practice,” for obvious reasons. Hockey Canada’s “let’s pay a retired judge to do the job” approach doesn’t pass the sniff test with me.
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LeHab
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No doubt, statement would be more about optics than trying to investigate and hold anyone accountable.
HC should put a female in charge at least in interim.
