Speculation: Larkin trade return

[wingsfannnn9191]

I'd actually love Minnesota to get frustrated and spend on Trocheck instead. But you are correct no reason to worry until those others start to spend.

Hey Dylan, your three team list if officially toast.

They start to spend he can show up to camp

 

[Hen Kolland]

The absolute worst part about the Larkin saga is that not only will his departure degrade the team as it sits today, but because of the amount of attention this demands from Yzerman and the front office as a whole, as well as the general uncertainty as to what the return will ultimately be, has precluded the Red Wings from participating in the rest of what is evidently a very fluid and amenable trade market.

Along with blowing some of our futures on Faulk, who is now just a rental trade in waiting. The team needs a shake-up; the league is apparently primed with teams who are like-minded, but we have to sit out the bulk of the frenzy waiting for the Larkin ball to drop. Like maybe if the Sharks were always keen on being able to create an opportunity to take Stenberg, we could have gotten involved for Eklund if we still had pick 15 (or better without Faulk). Maybe we get in on Nemec, which leads to another opportunity, etc. But once the dust settles, a lot of the ancillary opportunities will be completely dried up and the pressure on coming out ahead from the Larkin deal will be even greater. There's still a very remote chance that SJ might want to get Edvinsson for Misa, but after moving out Eklund and acquiring a pick that will land them a quality defenseman prospect in addition to Stenberg, it seems far less likely.

All of this just is submarined by the fact that the Larkin news didn't hit until after the season and shift us into park while we wait for the decision to come down. We end up in the same spot we've been for the past 3 years... watching everyone else have the courage to do something even somewhat bold without being forced into it, and the Wings get to sit on the outside watching, enjoying the franchise altering move of signing Theo Rochette.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

the sheer volume of trades happening is worrying me a little bit

I could see the market just kinda drying up at this rate

Nah. None of them have been for a Top 6 center.

 

[drw02]

The absolute worst part about the Larkin saga is that not only will his departure degrade the team as it sits today, but because of the amount of attention this demands from Yzerman and the front office as a whole, as well as the general uncertainty as to what the return will ultimately be, has precluded the Red Wings from participating in the rest of what is evidently a very fluid and amenable trade market.

Along with blowing some of our futures on Faulk, who is now just a rental trade in waiting. The team needs a shake-up; the league is apparently primed with teams who are like-minded, but we have to sit out the bulk of the frenzy waiting for the Larkin ball to drop. Like maybe if the Sharks were always keen on being able to create an opportunity to take Stenberg, we could have gotten involved for Eklund if we still had pick 15 (or better without Faulk). Maybe we get in on Nemec, which leads to another opportunity, etc. But once the dust settles, a lot of the ancillary opportunities will be completely dried up and the pressure on coming out ahead from the Larkin deal will be even greater. There's still a very remote chance that SJ might want to get Edvinsson for Misa, but after moving out Eklund and acquiring a pick that will land them a quality defenseman prospect in addition to Stenberg, it seems far less likely.

All of this just is submarined by the fact that the Larkin news didn't hit until after the season and shift us into park while we wait for the decision to come down. We end up in the same spot we've been for the past 3 years... watching everyone else have the courage to do something even somewhat bold without being forced into it, and the Wings get to sit on the outside watching, enjoying the franchise altering move of signing Theo Rochette.

Don’t give yzerman excuses dealing with Larkin trade request should not prevent him from making other moves. It’s become painfully obvious he’s just not a good GM. He's not crafty, he doesn’t know to how to find value or under appreciated talent. he doesn’t have some grand vision to make this organization better he’s just throwing shit against the wall

 

[datsyukfan]

Don’t give yzerman excuses dealing with Larkin trade request should not prevent him from making other moves. It’s become painfully obvious he’s just not a good GM. He's not crafty, he doesn’t know to how to find value or under appreciated talent. he doesn’t have some grand vision to make this organization better he’s just throwing shit against the wall

Ya I can’t stand the excuses. Really he can’t juggle multiple things with assistants etc. give me a break. Yzerman just flat out f***ing sucks at his job and should be gone

 

[lilidk]

All deals was done yesterday, nothing or almost nothing till draft.

 

[JoesuffP]

you have to go for picks here. You aren’t getting good value in roster players for Larkin. We should have been involved in this draft but now I think it’s too late. Might as well hold on to him until next years draft. Top 5 picks were on the board and we missed out

 

[Hen Kolland]

Don’t give yzerman excuses dealing with Larkin trade request should not prevent him from making other moves. It’s become painfully obvious he’s just not a good GM. He's not crafty, he doesn’t know to how to find value or under appreciated talent. he doesn’t have some grand vision to make this organization better he’s just throwing shit against the wall

Well part of it is lack of assets, the other thing that we don't know from the outside is how firm some of packages are. We don't even know if there's a package that's even being considered at this point. You can't make trades with what you don't have, and you can't build a team without understanding what you are building around. We know we are building around Seider and Raymond, but we don't know what else is joining that core. If you can extract a strong defense-leaning package, that loosens how you feel about Edvinsson or ASP. But you don't make a deal to get rid of Edvinsson without knowing you have him backfilled.

Yzerman doesn't have a good excuse to have sat out the past 2-3 years, but in this offseason, he does have a massive consideration that ultimately influences what path the team is setting out on. This offseason also has a much different tone than the previous ones have had, so some of it is timing.

 

[DTR]

Sean Shapiro says Buffalo has interest in Larkin and Robertson.

 

[Frk It]

Well part of it is lack of assets, the other thing that we don't know from the outside is how firm some of packages are. We don't even know if there's a package that's even being considered at this point. You can't make trades with what you don't have, and you can't build a team without understanding what you are building around. We know we are building around Seider and Raymond, but we don't know what else is joining that core. If you can extract a strong defense-leaning package, that loosens how you feel about Edvinsson or ASP. But you don't make a deal to get rid of Edvinsson without knowing you have him backfilled.

Yzerman doesn't have a good excuse to have sat out the past 2-3 years, but in this offseason, he does have a massive consideration that ultimately influences what path the team is setting out on. This offseason also has a much different tone than the previous ones have had, so some of it is timing.

He has been here plenty long enough to acquire enough assets to be able to facilitate deals.

 

[TheOctopusKid]

What we don't know is the status of Larkin's NTC is at this point. Yzerman could have a dozen deals lined up for all we know, but if Larkin is still holding fast to MN or VGS, this becomes a waiting game. i know we have all sorts of emotional reasons of wanting to hurry this up, but what matters is that we extract the right value to move this team forward over expediency or desperation. The 2026 season is going to be rough from a points standing perspective, but could be really exciting nonetheless if we have a lot of new interesting pieces in play trying to figure it out.

The trades yesterday have zero bearing on Larkin in terms of buyers or sellers. Every player moved were not the in the general sphere of Larkin in terms of fit, need and price. Tkachuk was always FL and FL was always waiting on Tkachuk, even the other teams involved said they weren't 'genuine'. Nemec has been on the block for over a year and NJ finally gave up on him. The Byram deal was baffling but checks the box that he wanted to be PP1 and get paid (10M+) and CHI apparently lost its mind, got impatient, and tried to accelerate their progress as they are still as bad as they were 5 years ago - who knows. Regardless, CHI wasn't a city that met any of Larkin's requirements so he wasn't waiving for them and CHI's focus had been reported for a D for a while. Maybe the Kyrou or Ekland trades made sense to add a scoring winger? But adding a scoring winger right now doesn't make a ton of sense until the Larkin issues is resolved and we know what exactly we're doing here. The teams that he wants (reportedly) MN, VGS vs. the teams that makes sense for us UTH, DAL, ANA, NJ need to get closer to each other and we're not sure where that stands right now.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

you have to go for picks here. You aren’t getting good value in roster players for Larkin. We should have been involved in this draft but now I think it’s too late. Might as well hold on to him until next years draft. Top 5 picks were on the board and we missed out

Florida would've always chosen Brady over Dylan. So those picks are not there for us. Larkin wouldn't waive for Chicago, so that pick isn't on the table. Which ones did we miss out on?

Sean Shapiro says Buffalo has interest in Larkin and Robertson.

Do you have a link?

 

[Hen Kolland]

He has been here plenty long enough to acquire enough assets to be able to facilitate deals.

Never said he hasn't had the time to do so. The problem is he doesn't have assets that are worth a damn thing. That is the bed he has made. His hits are crucial parts of what the team will build around, but the middling prospects aren't worth as much on the market as we hope they become to the team.

All of this still doesn't change anything I've said about this offseason being essentially out of reach without settling the Larkin situation first.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Sean Shapiro says Buffalo has interest in Larkin and Robertson.

I fear that this would not include 4OA and would feature Norris instead of McLeod lol.

 

[Holden Caufield]

Sean Shapiro says Buffalo has interest in Larkin and Robertson.

Pick #4
Pick #20
Konsta Helenius
Radim Mrtak
Jack Quinn
Jiri Kulich

Some great assets there if Larkin ever got on board.

 

[jaster]

No, it's just that we were all very happy for you and confirming what was already heavily assumed. Now we can finally stop tiptoeing around it after all of these years...not that there's anything wrong with it.

Haha, just don't tell my wife that she's a beard

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

I’m so tired of Minnesota . I hope Larkin never wins a cup

 

[JerkNazi]

Sean Shapiro says Buffalo has interest in Larkin and Robertson.

But does Larkin have interest in Buffalo? Doubtful.

I’m so tired of Minnesota . I hope Larkin never wins a cup

There’s no “probably” about it. The Wild definitely will need a third team involved because they don’t have anything of interest. We don’t need another young goalie.

 

[SirloinUB]

I don't feel like getting on the merry-go-round again with this topic, but there have been enough examples of either a) bad decisions or b) indecision that I don't buy the whole victim of circumstances argument.

My take is circumstances are always underrated in sports/team building.

I also believe Steve's vision, or lack thereof, decisions and priorities exacerbated the unfortunate circumstances and created even worse outcomes.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

I’m so tired of Minnesota . I hope Larkin never wins a cup

I genuinely do not want Minnesota to get him, but if they do, they need a third team to pay a damn ransom for us.

 

[GoBoltz56]

Helenius, Kulich and Strbak from buffalo would be just fine!

 

[wingsfannnn9191]

But does Larkin have interest in Buffalo? Doubtful.


There’s no “probably” about it. The Wild definitely will need a third team involved because they don’t have anything of interest. We don’t need another young goalie.

Or yakov Smirnoff

 

[better Red than Dead]

What’s frustrating for me is that Yzerman cousins find any takers for Rasmussen or Compher for even lower draft picks. I mean there has been no movement for a team that has to be the most active this offseason and prior to the Larkin trade request. It’s like the front office is paralyzed by the Larkin trade and can’t do anything else until that’s cleared up

 

[SirloinUB]

I’m so tired of Minnesota . I hope Larkin never wins a cup

I don't even think a 3rd team would change much.

Goalies don't carry huge value so they are not going to get some massive haul worthy of Dylan Larkin by trading Wallstadt. They could trade a guy like Brodin for a package similar to what we gave up for faulk.

Hell, even if they traded both of those guys what are they getting back? a couple of mid to late 1sts and a couple meh prospects?

I don't really see any of that moving the needle in a Larkin-Wild trade unless yzerman is looking for quantity over quality.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

What’s frustrating for me is that Yzerman cousins find any takers for Rasmussen or Compher for even lower draft picks. I mean there has been no movement for a team that has to be the most active this offseason and prior to the Larkin trade request. It’s like the front office is paralyzed by the Larkin trade and can’t do anything else until that’s cleared up

I think teams would rather take a swing with a 7th round pick than have Michael Rasmussen lmao.