Speculation: Lalonde

[RedHawkDown]

Lalonde isn't the issue. The best coaches have the best players. Changing coaches with this roster is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic

Torts is an example of a coach that has squeezed out better results than the rosters he’s had and he’s done it on many teams. It depends on the coach’s style and the personnel and how those mesh.

That being said, Lalonde style seems to be to just suck ass and hope that we get lucky.

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Yzerman if he fires Lalonde will be on the hot seat for the first time but not really.

 

[wingerdinger]

So you wanted more Reimer?

Lalonde only had 3 options, and Lyon was the least shitty. If you wanted other options, that would be Stevie's fault.

from March 8th to March 14th we lost twice to Arizona and were blown out by Vegas , Buffalo running poor Alex into the ground.

Not that I loved Reimer but he was giving us a chance to win down the stretch.

 

[SantosHalper]

I don’t think lalonde can be in our social club anymore.

I recognise Sopranos reference any time and i sense you wanted someone to play Carlo's part.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Coach Q watching Wings !!!!

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

He is a dead man walking at this point. I think he is gone within the next 10 games unless things radically change. You can be disorganized but show good effort and you can be very organized with ho hum effort. You can't however be disorganized and show no effort. Last night was an awful bellwether for him.

I still contend fans over explain performance with coaching, but something is clearly, clearly wrong at this point.

 

[19 for president]

He is a dead man walking at this point. I think he is gone within the next 10 games unless things radically change. You can be disorganized but show good effort and you can be very organized with ho hum effort. You can't however be disorganized and show no effort. Last night was an awful bellwether for him.

I still contend fans over explain performance with coaching, but something is clearly, clearly wrong at this point.

I generally agree about coaching complains when it is a short term evaluation, fans tend to typically over blame coaches for a bad 5 game stretch. As noted though with Lalonde we are onto season 3 now and we still seeing the same problems.

1. This roster has seen significant turnover over the 3 years so you can't just say its a bad apple here or there causing the inconsistent gameplay & efforts. There has been enough turnover that if someone wasn't seeing eye to eye with the coach they should be gone by now. (IE See Walman)

2. The only repeatable system setup I can see is the stupid long drop pass we use almost every single time to try and gain entry on the PP. Not that I love to watch it, but there are plenty of teams that employ a simple defensive system to make up for their lack of talent. The only way Lalonde seems to be able to coach is full tilt offense or full tilt defense. If we try for anything in between we fall apart, which again to me is a systems and deployment issue. We have no designed breakouts. Forwards and D both tend to lose their guys on a regular basis. Our PP is horribly predictable even though at least PP1 has plenty of skill on it.

3. The only player in his 3 seasons that I can say looks better than when he came in is Raymond. Seider I think has somewhat regressed in his decision making since Blash left. None of our Dman in general ever look like they know where the puck should go.

4. Team consistently starts slow. We don't have the talent to constantly have to claw our way back into games, especially if we aren't employing the full tilt offensive method.

5. He's getting a bit better this year but he has been notoriously slow to make a lineup change. I'm not asking for a Scotty blender, but if something is clearly not working don't hang onto it just because one guy is a vet.

 

[FMichael]

He is a dead man walking at this point. I think he is gone within the next 10 games unless things radically change. You can be disorganized but show good effort and you can be very organized with ho hum effort. You can't however be disorganized and show no effort. Last night was an awful bellwether for him.

I still contend fans over explain performance with coaching, but something is clearly, clearly wrong at this point.

Lalonde will see the end of the season...I'd be shocked if there was any change made...None of the assistant coaches seem worth a damn too...Lalonde's contract ends after this season and that's likely when Yzerman will re-hire Blashill

I generally agree about coaching complains when it is a short term evaluation, fans tend to typically over blame coaches for a bad 5 game stretch. As noted though with Lalonde we are onto season 3 now and we still seeing the same problems.

1. This roster has seen significant turnover over the 3 years so you can't just say its a bad apple here or there causing the inconsistent gameplay & efforts. There has been enough turnover that if someone wasn't seeing eye to eye with the coach they should be gone by now. (IE See Walman)

2. The only repeatable system setup I can see is the stupid long drop pass we use almost every single time to try and gain entry on the PP. Not that I love to watch it, but there are plenty of teams that employ a simple defensive system to make up for their lack of talent. The only way Lalonde seems to be able to coach is full tilt offense or full tilt defense. If we try for anything in between we fall apart, which again to me is a systems and deployment issue. We have no designed breakouts. Forwards and D both tend to lose their guys on a regular basis. Our PP is horribly predictable even though at least PP1 has plenty of skill on it.

3. The only player in his 3 seasons that I can say looks better than when he came in is Raymond. Seider I think has somewhat regressed in his decision making since Blash left. None of our Dman in general ever look like they know where the puck should go.

4. Team consistently starts slow. We don't have the talent to constantly have to claw our way back into games, especially if we aren't employing the full tilt offensive method.

5. He's getting a bit better this year but he has been notoriously slow to make a lineup change. I'm not asking for a Scotty blender, but if something is clearly not working don't hang onto it just because one guy is a vet.

I had my doubts after his 1st season...Last season confirmed...Lalonde just isn't very good.

 

[FMichael]

I don’t think lalonde can be in our social club anymore.

I recognise Sopranos reference any time and i sense you wanted someone to play Carlo's part.
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I'm going to hell...

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

Fire him

 

[Steve Yzerlland]

Fire him

Never wanted him.

 

[AtlantaHotWings]

Lets fire him! I personally am not a fan feel like he doesn't get the team fired up. Kinda ho hum type attitude

Who is out there that will be a motivator/develop the kids and get us to the playoffs?

Don't see Yzman hiring Joel Q
Gallant?
I wish we had grabbed Berube when he was avail

 

[jaster]

I'd fire Lalonde but then immediately re-hire him, just to light a fire under his ass!

 

[Geezer WC]

I'd fire Lalonde but then immediately re-hire him, just to light a fire under his ass!

Ok Steinbrenner.

 

[FMichael]

I'd fire Lalonde but then immediately re-hire him, just to light a fire under his ass!

How about not firing him and instead just tie him up and place him over an open flame like a pig roast.

 

[Pavels Dog]

3 straight wins.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

3 straight wins.

And if my memory serves me well, only one ES goal given up in the 3 games, now if they can only clean up the PK.....

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

And if my memory serves me well, only one ES goal given up in the 3 games, now if they can only clean up the PK.....

While true, we need to also consider the methods by which these results were achieved, Our forwards play so low in the defensive zone that we give up almost all ability to effectively transition the puck through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone. The effort was better last night, which is a clear plus.

 

[Winger98]

While true, we need to also consider the methods by which these results were achieved, Our forwards play so low in the defensive zone that we give up almost all ability to effectively transition the puck through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone. The effort was better last night, which is a clear plus.

We're also just seven games into the season. I like the idea of building off this more than trying to get them to buy into tighter defense in february

 

[SirKillalot]

Torts is an example of a coach that has squeezed out better results than the rosters he’s had and he’s done it on many teams. It depends on the coach’s style and the personnel and how those mesh.

And won nothing since TBL where the team was good.
And messed up those teams futures.
Torts isn't a good developing coach.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

While true, we need to also consider the methods by which these results were achieved, Our forwards play so low in the defensive zone that we give up almost all ability to effectively transition the puck through the neutral zone and into the offensive zone. The effort was better last night, which is a clear plus.

Buying into defense first play from the start of the season is much easier for the long run of the season than trying to develop the mindset later in the season.

Let’s see how things shape up by the 25% season mark and what tweeks they are making at that point.

 

[FMichael]

And won nothing since TBL where the team was good.
And messed up those teams futures.
Torts isn't a good developing coach.

I'd say he's firey, passionate, a good motivator type - which apparently that's Gallant as well...Gets the most outta teams for 3, or 4 seasons.

I mean - who then is a good developing coach (hell half our team is older vets) if you're not winning, or contending for the Cup?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

We're also just seven games into the season. I like the idea of building off this more than trying to get them to buy into tighter defense in february

There is a difference between being "defense first" and turtling in my eyes. Hopefully the flu bug rumors are true and this strategy is a response thereto.

 

[cjm502]

I'd say he's firey, passionate, a good motivator type - which apparently that's Gallant as well...Gets the most outta teams for 3, or 4 seasons.

I mean - who then is a good developing coach (hell half our team is older vets) if you're not winning, or contending for the Cup?

Blash

 

[Winger98]

There is a difference between being "defense first" and turtling in my eyes. Hopefully the flu bug rumors are true and this strategy is a response thereto.

fair enough. I'm hoping we're just seeing the first steps in the Wings trying to build to something else.