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Confirmed Trade: [LAK/WPG] Pierre-Luc Dubois (signs 8 years, $8.5M AAV) for Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari, 2024 2nd round pick

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Armourboy said:
They are both roughly what RyJo was for the Preds. Good enough to give you hope, but never good enough to actually be that 1C you need.
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With me, it depends on the overall talent in your top 6 and top 9. The more time moves forward, the more I find a better top 9 is the best strategy. People can downplay it all they want but Habs made the cup finals through the Leafs, Jets, Knights with Danault and a very young Suzuki up the middle. It wasn't all Price.

I wanted to add Dubois to the Habs but not at that price. I do wish both the Jets and Kings good luck on that trade. It could work out for both teams. Time will tell.

Kings have two centers I really liked now. Danault and Dubois. I'm a bit annoyed by it. :laugh:
 
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Kings looking to cash in again while Kopitar and Doughty have some gas left? They still lots of mid 20’s core players and Bayfield, just seems sold out on some long term future. I think Jets retooling got some good near future players who can solidify their forward group for years to come.

Might work out for both teams..( and I dislike PLD) but in the right circumstance he can be effective especially in the playoffs.
 
Moose Head said:
Yet Suzuki has outproduced PLD since he entered the league.
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If you really think that the only reason to acquire Dubois was production, I don't know what to tell you about hockey. There's a reason why management traded Vilardi, a guy with promising production for a huge veteran center in PLD. LA is hoping that the centers of Kopitar, PLD and Danault will finally give a clear enough edge to LA to clear Edmonton's McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins...enough that our superior D pairings and superior wingers will give us better than coin flip odds. Because we've lost that coin flip twice in a row now.
 
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Habs Halifax said:
With me, it depends on the overall talent in your top 6 and top 9. The more time moves forward, the more I find a better top 9 is the best strategy. People can downplay it all they want but Habs made the cup finals through the Leafs, Jets, Knights with Danault and a very young Suzuki up the middle. It wasn't all Price.

I wanted to add Dubois to the Habs but not at that price. I do wish both the Jets and Kings good luck on that trade. It could work out for both teams. Time will tell.

Kings have two centers I really liked now. Danault and Dubois. I'm a bit annoyed by it. :laugh:
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You no like Kopitar, HoF , Monsieur?

Kings have no reason to change Kopitar or Danault's line.

That leaves Fiala -Pear Lake Dude Brah -Kaliyev.
which I really like.
PLD could really do well with a play driving alpha like Fiala and Kaliyev can pass and really shoot.
The only proble m is their D may be lackluster and TMac may not want to go with this.
How is PLD on the defensive side of the puck>?
 
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Habs Halifax said:
With me, it depends on the overall talent in your top 6 and top 9. The more time moves forward, the more I find a better top 9 is the best strategy. People can downplay it all they want but Habs made the cup finals through the Leafs, Jets, Knights with Danault and a very young Suzuki up the middle. It wasn't all Price.

I wanted to add Dubois to the Habs but not at that price. I do wish both the Jets and Kings good luck on that trade. It could work out for both teams. Time will tell.

Kings have two centers I really liked now. Danault and Dubois. I'm a bit annoyed by it. :laugh:
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I agree with the above and want to add that when the Kings won 2 Cups and contended for another, we fully rolled 4 lines. The teams that also could put out 4 lines, they would skate with us and then it was up to Quick and certain other individuals that made the difference, especially in 2014. When the other team couldn't run 4 lines, including LA in 2013 when Richards got taken out by Bolland, the team that did clearly won the series.
 
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Rorschach said:
I agree with the above and want to add that when the Kings won 2 Cups and contended for another, we fully rolled 4 lines. The teams that also could put out 4 lines, they would play with us and then it was up to Quick and certain other individuals that made the difference, especially in 2014. When the other team couldn't run 4 lines, including LA in 2013 when Richards got taken out by Bolland, the team that did clearly won the series.
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Still not liking Lizotte in the playoffs even at 4C.
He is too small when the game goes post season style.
Not taking away anything , guy's got the heart of a lion.
 
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Rorschach said:
If you really think that the only reason to acquire Dubois was production, I don't know what to tell you about hockey. There's a reason why management traded Vilardi, a guy with promising production for a huge veteran center in PLD. LA is hoping that the centers of Kopitar, PLD and Danault will finally give a clear enough edge to LA to clear Edmonton's McDavid, Draisaitl, and Nugent-Hopkins...enough that our superior D pairings and superior wingers will give us better than coin flip odds. Because we've lost that coin flip twice in a row now.
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That’s great. I don’t have the least bit of a problem with Dubois. I have zero ill will towards the kings or Dubois. Wish the Habs had picked him up. Would have been a great 1a, 1b punch with Suzuki.

But see the post I was responding to which basically said Dubois was a lot better than Suzuki. That’s simply not true. Both very good young centers in the same tier.
 
Surf Nutz said:
Still not liking Lizotte in the playoffs even at 4C.
He is too small when the game goes post season style.
Not taking away anything , guy's got the heart of a lion.
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That's a rotating spot...could be Byfield, Turcotte, Akil Thomas...that's the one spot I'm comfortable with in giving opportunity for the job to be stolen by a youngster. That and bottom pair LHD.
 
Moose Head said:
Yet Suzuki has outproduced PLD since he entered the league.
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PLD scored 2.34 points/60 in 2019-20 compared to Suzuki's 2.17. From 2020-21 through 2022-23, PLD scored 2.42 points/60 compared to Suzuki's 2.28. (Split in seasons only because Natural Stat Trick allows 3-year periods for comparisons and I'm too lazy right now to calculate points/60 across those 4 seasons in total.) Seems like PLD produces more than Suzuki in the minutes he plays.
 
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crump said:
Kings looking to cash in again while Kopitar and Doughty have some gas left? They still lots of mid 20’s core players and Bayfield, just seems sold out on some long term future. I think Jets retooling got some good near future players who can solidify their forward group for years to come.

Might work out for both teams..( and I dislike PLD) but in the right circumstance he can be effective especially in the playoffs.
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PLD was drafted in 2016 iirc so he’s 25 todtsrt camp. Thsts still young. It be differrnt of thry had gotten some 30+ yr old like they wanted to make a final run before core group retired.

Chazz Reinhold said:
PLD scored 2.34 points/60 in 2019-20 compared to Suzuki's 2.17. From 2020-21 through 2022-23, PLD scored 2.42 points/60 compared to Suzuki's 2.28. (Split in seasons only because Natural Stat Trick allows 3-year periods for comparisons and I'm too lazy right now to calculate points/60 across those 4 seasons in total.) Seems like PLD produces more than Suzuki in the minutes he plays.
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To be fair you should look at sge/ experience than just yearvto year between players.
 
Moose Head said:
That’s great. I don’t have the least bit of a problem with Dubois. I have zero ill will towards the kings or Dubois. Wish the Habs had picked him up. Would have been a great 1a, 1b punch with Suzuki.

But see the post I was responding to which basically said Dubois was a lot better than Suzuki. That’s simply not true. Both very good young centers in the same tier.
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But you know Dubois is going to out produce Suzuki this year.
 
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Guffman said:
I agree.

I think it’s amusing that Dach was considered untouchable by Hab fans but meanwhile, we got a slightly better player PLUS three other assets. :laugh:
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As a King fan, I don't think Montreal made a bad choice. Our GM made the bad choice. Vilardi will be a bargain for the next two years while putting up similar or better numbers than PLD.
 
Chazz Reinhold said:
PLD scored 2.34 points/60 in 2019-20 compared to Suzuki's 2.17. From 2020-21 through 2022-23, PLD scored 2.42 points/60 compared to Suzuki's 2.28. (Split in seasons only because Natural Stat Trick allows 3-year periods for comparisons and I'm too lazy right now to calculate points/60 across those 4 seasons in total.) Seems like PLD produces more than Suzuki in the minutes he plays.
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Sure, he's a second liner with good wingers
 
TS Quint said:
But you know Dubois is going to out produce Suzuki this year.
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And that would still be irrelevant as he will be on a deeper team this season and likely next. As well as the fact that Suzuki has character and is a leader while Dubois' character is still in question.
 
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