Proposal: Laf for Turcotte

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Hey now! Yak had two 30+ seasons during his entry-level contract. Doesn't look like Laf will attain that kind of success in his first 3 seasons.

Laf might, as long as he keeps scoring when the goalie is way out of the net. So far four of his goals have been when there's been no goalie in the net. He might clip 20 this year because of that, to go along with his four or five assists.

Neither player right now has tangible value...it's all been hanging on where they were picked. Turcotte's shown even less than Lafreniere, which is very hard to do.

 

[McSuper]

They weren’t close at all. Lafreniere was the far and away unanimous pick by literally every single ranking that existed, including NHL scouts. Nothing has changed in the last 1.5 years since then from Byfield.

LA accepts this trade 100/100 times.

The problem with your statement is it doesn't not take teams needs into account . Value can be very different from team to team . For instance the Oilers would value a top 4 D over a top 6 centre . Blanket statements very rarely work in the NHL .

 

[nbwingsfan]

I know you're really invested in his failure since you've been criticizing Byfield across his various threads since he was barely 15...but "Kings see Byfield as untouchable" has been covered extensively across all their media and the front office said all but maybe those exact words several times this year. It's hardly an outlandish take, just one you see as offensive since you've been going in hard on a barely-teenager for over half a decade. Embarrassing.

Why would a prospect be untouchable for a better prospect? The term “untouchable” typically means for trading for older assets (aka Eichel). Not a better young player

 

[nbwingsfan]

The problem with your statement is it doesn't not take teams needs into account . Value can be very different from team to team . For instance the Oilers would value a top 4 D over a top 6 centre . Blanket statements very rarely work in the NHL .

This statement really only matter if a lot has changed since the draft. The Kings clearly would have taken Laf 1st overall in 2020 as well, and their “needs” haven’t changed since then

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Why would a prospect be untouchable for a better prospect? The term “untouchable” typically means for trading for older assets (aka Eichel). Not a better young player

Team needs? Team situation? Position? Any number of real reasons. You're just being pedantic about the word 'untouchable' for the sake of being combative so you can continue to go after the player as you have for years.

This is like the guy who was holding a grudge because someone said the kings aren't in a position to move prospect wingers for over-30 dmen and his 'rebuttal' was "Oh so you wouldn't trade Chromiak for Hedman?" It's like, what point do you think you're making? It's silly logic.

 

[lilmaxo]

Turcotte’s value is probably a low 2nd round pick at this point. He’s not even a good AHL player. Wasn’t that good of a college hockey player either.

wait, what? You have probably never watched turcotte a single time

 

[nbwingsfan]

Team needs? Team situation? Position? Any number of real reasons. You're just being pedantic about the word 'untouchable' for the sake of being combative so you can continue to go after the player as you have for years.

This is like the guy who was holding a grudge because someone said the kings aren't in a position to move prospect wingers for over-30 dmen and his 'rebuttal' was "Oh so you wouldn't trade Chromiak for Hedman?" It's like, what point do you think you're making? It's silly logic.

It’s not silly when one player was a vastly better prospect and the guy below him has done absolutely nothing to catch up. LA has way more needs then just C, especially when some of their other top projects are also already C. It’s silly to suggest they’d turn down Byfield for Laf.

I’ve also never gone after Byfield, just pointed out his flaws and why he isn’t as good as Laf as a prospect. This hasnt changed to this day

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

It’s not silly when one player was a vastly better prospect and the guy below him has done absolutely nothing to catch up. LA has way more needs then just C, especially when some of their other top projects are also already C. It’s silly to suggest they’d turn down Byfield for Laf.

I’ve also never gone after Byfield, just pointed out his flaws and why he isn’t as good as Laf as a prospect. This hasnt changed to this day

Why? You act like Lafreniere is the type of player you go out of your way to acquire.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Why? You act like Lafreniere is the type of player you go out of your way to acquire.

Because he’s been better than Byfield for the last like 4 years now? By that same logic Byfield sure hasn’t shown to be a guy you hold onto just because he’s a C

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Because he’s been better than Byfield for the last like 4 years now? By that same logic Byfield sure hasn’t shown to be a guy you hold onto just because he’s a C

I don't think it's at all conclusive that Lafreniere is better.

Byfield has looked much better in his time in the NHL. Bigger, faster, and more engaged in the game.

Doesn't hurt that he's nearly a year younger and plays the more important position.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I don't think it's at all conclusive that Lafreniere is better.

Byfield has looked much better in his time in the NHL. Bigger, faster, and more engaged in the game.

Doesn't hurt that he's nearly a year younger and plays the more important position.

Yeah those whopping 2pts are really showing his elite skills. H Lafreniere has been better literally every step of the way. I do remember you saying Byfield could be drafted before him though so pretty pointless discussion

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Yeah those whopping 2pts are really showing his elite skills. H Lafreniere has been better literally every step of the way. I do remember you saying Byfield could be drafted before him though so pretty pointless discussion

I think you're confusing Byfield with Stutzle.

Anyways it's clear you're just stat watching. Your don't have any ability to actually evaluate talent . . "Johnny Gaudreau is going to be a 30-40 point PP specialist " lol that still gets me.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I think you're confusing Byfield with Stutzle.

Anyways it's clear you're just stat watching. Your don't have any ability to actually evaluate talent . . "Johnny Gaudreau is going to be a 30-40 point PP specialist " lol that still gets me.

That’s a good one coming from you. Have more than a few booked marked posts that are CLASSICS.

 

[Disgraced Cosmonaut]

What exactly has Byfield done to surpass Lafreniere who was the vastly better prospect and the Kings would have 100% chosen if they were first?

You know, the Rangers always should’ve taken QB. simple as that. They were not as far apart in terms of value at the draft as you state.

 

[bernmeister]

I still think Kupari for Robertson is a trade that could happen.

possible, but hopefully not b'c Rangers should keep Robertson and deal Jones AINEC

Turcotte is kind of small and I think his future in the nhl is likely at wing....
Rangers need a center.

LaF for Turcotte wouldn’t happen for a lot of reasons....​

concur

You really think they would have taken Byfield over Laf because he was a C if they had the first pick? Because nothing has happened since they were drafted to change that opinion

That’s not the question that was ask..
The ask is, as of today would the Kings trade Byfield for Laf and the answer is no..
The Kings are more than thrilled with Byfield and that’s obvious to Kings fans.. I’ve never really been a Laf fan, I thought he was more Alexander Frolov than the next Crosby like everyone hyped him up to be..

But to answer your question about what would have happened if the Kings had the #1 pick..
I’m not sure but I do know Laf/Byfield/Stutzle were all pretty close in their rankings.. again, how close?? I don’t know

They weren’t close at all. Lafreniere was the far and away unanimous pick by literally every single ranking that existed, including NHL scouts. Nothing has changed in the last 1.5 years since then from Byfield.

LA accepts this trade 100/100 times.

Laf has all the smarts but lacking physical tools at NHL level thus far, Byfield has all the physical tools but lacking smarts at NHL level thus far. They will both figure something out.

TODAY Byfield is clearly the superior prospect TODAY
He looks like he is slow but steady arriving, needs more NHL time.

Howev, LaF's ONLY defect is his skating, which has improved over past yr, and projects he will arrive at satisfactory/+ NHL level skating by next season. At that pt, how fast he arrives to vaulted pre draft expectations -- assuming he does -- remains to be seen, but IF his skating is up to snuff, again, as appears will be the case, then he should achieve most of his projection.

At THAT pt, he could be worth more.

Wasn't Bernmeister consulted on this before the OP was posted?

no I was not.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

possible, but hopefully not b'c Rangers should keep Robertson and deal Jones AINEC


concur









TODAY Byfield is clearly the superior prospect TODAY
He looks like he is slow but steady arriving, needs more NHL time.

Howev, LaF's ONLY defect is his skating, which has improved over past yr, and projects he will arrive at satisfactory/+ NHL level skating by next season. At that pt, how fast he arrives to vaulted pre draft expectations -- assuming he does -- remains to be seen, but IF his skating is up to snuff, again, as appears will be the case, then he should achieve most of his projection.

At THAT pt, he could be worth more.



no I was not.

Dont think Kings fans are interested in Jones. They want a bigger stay at home guy, which Robertson fits. Rangers have depth of d prospects and need to add center prospects. Its a good fit despite your ludicrous idea to trade Lindgren.

 

[nbwingsfan]

You know, the Rangers always should’ve taken QB. simple as that. They were not as far apart in terms of value at the draft as you state.

According to every single scouting service, analyst, scout and expert… yeah they really were that far apart. Byfield wasn’t even a unanimous second.

Nothing Byfield has done since changes that

 

[VanP]

Both havnt exactly been impressive….
Turcotte is pacing for 0 points in his nhl career
And laf is looking like yakupov

We could relieve you of a burden and send you Lekhonen for Laf.....

 

[VanP]

Who are you willing to give up for him....i don’t even think MTL has the assets for such a trade

I think Laff would thrive in Montreal with St-Louis as his coach.[/QUO

 

[bernmeister]

Dont think Kings fans are interested in Jones. They want a bigger stay at home guy, which Robertson fits. Rangers have depth of d prospects and need to add center prospects. Its a good fit despite your ludicrous idea to trade Lindgren.

did not say Jones had to go to LA

am saying we should keep Robertson deal Jones if/when return is sufficient

 

[Sinbad]

I’ll keep AT at least he will be top tier 3rd liner laf is looking like a average second liner.

I would rather have a top notch guy at his position that a guy who always leaves you wanting for more. That’s where their current trajectories are looking.

AT is looking like a 3rd liner in the AHL and is quickly moving to suspect instead of prospect.

 

[CupSeeker]

Why? You act like Lafreniere is the type of player you go out of your way to acquire.

No need to act, he is that type of player Devils Wizard.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

All of LA's prospects suck so much this board should stop trying to trade for them. We'll understand, it's ok.

 

[SaltyElkHunter]

Whoops

 

[Herby]

He is 20 and LA takes their time when it comes to the kids. Too long at times but that’s how they do things. I know many fans think everyone drafted should be in the league by 19-20 but LA’s brass don’t operate like that.

How is this myth continued to be said time and time by our fanbase? I am told on our homeboard it's "sarcasm" whenever it is said, but it sure doesn't seem like it.

In the last couple of seasons.

Bjornfot currently in NHL at 20, NHL regular at 19 (played NHL games at 18)
Kaliyev currently in NHL at 20 (played NHL games at 19)
Byfield currently in NHL at 19 (played NHL games at 18)

How can you look at those guys and continue to say that LA refuses to put young players in the NHL?