Speculation: LA Kings Offseason Thread

[FSL KINGS]

Carter looked pretty toasted last year.

Looks like they plan on having him as 4C this year. I'll be curious to see how he does in that role.

Sounds like Carter is slowing way down from Pit fans. He can still win faceoffs & what some teams are running in the bottom 6, probably not the worst option. Salary might be a bit high.

Pavel Zacha is pretty legit now. Not a 1C but a good 2C similar to whatever Paul Stastny was considered most of his career.

I'm just ripping on Boston. Still angry about that Lucic trade. Thankfully they blew those picks or we'd still be hearing about it.

They can both f*** off

It's ok.
The pain will fade with time.

 

[Trash Panda]

It was miraculous how botched that draft was for boston after the Lucic trade.

Just horrible man.

 

[KingsHockey24]

 

[Statto]

Thankfully they blew those picks or we'd still be hearing about it.

It always interests me how/why people do that as if we’d have taken the same player and/or developed them in the same way. The pick has a value but whatever happens thereafter is irrelevant in reality.

Even if we take the same player they could end up significantly better/worse and so on. They might end up blocking a player that became a key piece…. The butterfly effect continues. If the trade value of a pick is right/wrong at the time of the trade that’s the only way to evaluate it IMO. If it’s for specific players then that’s where you evaluate things down the line. Obviously it’s different when talking about the 1OA pick when it’s someone like McDavid in that spot.

 

[FSL KINGS]

It always interests me how/why people do that as if we’d have taken the same player and/or developed them in the same way. The pick has a value but whatever happens thereafter is irrelevant in reality.

Even if we take the same player they could end up significantly better/worse and so on. They might end up blocking a player that became a key piece…. The butterfly effect continues. If the trade value of a pick is right/wrong at the time of the trade that’s the only way to evaluate it IMO. If it’s for specific players then that’s where you evaluate things down the line. Obviously it’s different when talking about the 1OA pick when it’s someone like McDavid in that spot.

This is a bit of a special situation. At the time Boston went off the board. The commentators mentioned it in real time. There were multiple players that were ranked to go in the next group that ended up turning out.

As for the butterfly effect, basically traded 2X 1st to Boston that could have landed 2 top6 forwards. That would greatly effect the path of the team. It was still a bad trade & a bad trade in real time. Despite Lucic playing well that year.

Believe Edmonton traded their pick to NYI just after for Reinheart (D) that didn't pan out.

 

[Statto]

This is a bit of a special situation. At the time Boston went off the board. The commentators mentioned it in real time. There were multiple players that were ranked to go in the next group that ended up turning out.

As for the butterfly effect, basically traded 2X 1st to Boston that could have landed 2 top6 forwards. That would greatly effect the path of the team. It was still a bad trade & a bad trade in real time. Despite Lucic playing well that year.

Believe Edmonton traded their pick to NYI just after for Reinheart (D) that didn't pan out.

Oh sure I realize that but from my end it makes zero difference as to what Boston did with those picks. For us it was a bad trade.

 

[KingsFan7824]

As for the butterfly effect, basically traded 2X 1st to Boston that could have landed 2 top6 forwards.

Years later. The Kings were still trying to win at the moment. They couldn't waste the last year of Kopitar's good contract.

 

[Vote4Lubo]

I've been trying to find this clip everywhere. A kings legend, made the millennium team fun to watch. Was a sad day when he was traded but wouldnt have won those cups without Stoll and Greene. Thanks for posting!

Happy Birthday lubo

 

[FSL KINGS]

 

[ZJames]

Might not be the right place for this, but it was a pretty interesting video. It crazy how one little gaffe could have such a huge impact.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Sol]

Imagine going to Melbourne just to watch Todd put Lewis on the first line. The logic of Kings fans .

 

[FSL KINGS]

They think Spence is going to be on the roster?

 

[Lt Dan]

They think Spence is going to be on the roster?

I hope he is. He is better than Durzi or Walker

 

[FSL KINGS]

I hope he is. He is better than Durzi or Walker

Mostly an issue with the short roster & only so many player being exempt from waivers.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It is going to be a split squad, with a game in Australia and another game in Anaheim taking place on the 24th of September, so Trevor Lewis most certainly will be a top line forward in one of those lineups.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

 

[Surf Nutz]

They think Spence is going to be on the roster?

As an Australian born hockey player he will be on the trip down under.
If the Kings are smart they will start him on the 3rd pair with Bjornfot as they top paired in the AHL last year.
He can be evaluated an/or shopped while Clarke gets a solid footing in the AHL and then comes up when Blake makes moves before the trade deadline.
Most likely a deterrent and a #1 tender, depending on any injuries for LTIR cap space and any voids that creates.

 

[Brodeur]

Might not be the right place for this, but it was a pretty interesting video. It crazy how one little gaffe could have such a huge impact.

Along those same lines, a couple more interesting what ifs:

Calgary Flames vs. Vancouver Canucks Box Score: April 14, 1999 | Hockey-Reference.com

Get the latest box score updates on the Calgary Flames vs. Vancouver Canucks game played on April 14, 1999 on Hockey-Reference.com

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In the 1998-99 season finale, Vancouver gave up a winning goal with four seconds remaining in regulation. Had they secured at least a tie, the extra point would have flip flopped them with the Islanders pre-lottery.

1. Tampa (47 points)
2. Atlanta (expansion)
3. NY Islanders (58 points)
4. Vancouver (59 points)

Assuming the same lottery result would have vaulted Chicago into #4, does this mean the Sedins get split up? In Brian Burke's autobiography, he mentioned that Chicago approached him about trading #3 since the Blackhawks wanted both Sedins.

Chicago Blackhawks vs. Phoenix Coyotes Box Score: April 3, 2004 | Hockey-Reference.com

Get the latest box score updates on the Chicago Blackhawks vs. Phoenix Coyotes game played on April 3, 2004 on Hockey-Reference.com

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In the penultimate game of the 2003-04 season, Chicago gave up a last minute tying goal and then lost in overtime. Had they hung onto the victory, the pre-lottery order would have been:

1. Pittsburgh (58 points)
2. Washington (59 points)
3. Chicago (60 points)

In reality, Washington won the lottery from the #3 spot. So if Chicago wins that game, Washington maybe ends up with Cam Barker (instead of Ovechkin) and who knows how the next 20 years go for them.



This season, Columbus lost in regulation against the Devils with 1.4 seconds left. Had they gotten to OT, the extra point would have flipped spots with Chicago for the Bedard lottery. But we'll see how big the delta between Bedard and Fantilli is.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Along those same lines, a couple more interesting what ifs:

Calgary Flames vs. Vancouver Canucks Box Score: April 14, 1999 | Hockey-Reference.com

Get the latest box score updates on the Calgary Flames vs. Vancouver Canucks game played on April 14, 1999 on Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

In the 1998-99 season finale, Vancouver gave up a winning goal with four seconds remaining in regulation. Had they secured at least a tie, the extra point would have flip flopped them with the Islanders pre-lottery.

1. Tampa (47 points)
2. Atlanta (expansion)
3. NY Islanders (58 points)
4. Vancouver (59 points)

Assuming the same lottery result would have vaulted Chicago into #4, does this mean the Sedins get split up? In Brian Burke's autobiography, he mentioned that Chicago approached him about trading #3 since the Blackhawks wanted both Sedins.

Chicago Blackhawks vs. Phoenix Coyotes Box Score: April 3, 2004 | Hockey-Reference.com

Get the latest box score updates on the Chicago Blackhawks vs. Phoenix Coyotes game played on April 3, 2004 on Hockey-Reference.com

www.hockey-reference.com

In the penultimate game of the 2003-04 season, Chicago gave up a last minute tying goal and then lost in overtime. Had they hung onto the victory, the pre-lottery order would have been:

1. Pittsburgh (58 points)
2. Washington (59 points)
3. Chicago (60 points)

In reality, Washington won the lottery from the #3 spot. So if Chicago wins that game, Washington maybe ends up with Cam Barker (instead of Ovechkin) and who knows how the next 20 years go for them.



This season, Columbus lost in regulation against the Devils with 1.4 seconds left. Had they gotten to OT, the extra point would have flipped spots with Chicago for the Bedard lottery. But we'll see how big the delta between Bedard and Fantilli is.

it feels like the margin is always pretty close on those too

heck even our kings 'jumped' out of 2nd to last to 4th to last after beating the sens in what would end up the literal final game before covid cut the season short, a few of us were like OF COURSE we would and they'd kill the season right when we lost our spot

then of course the draft lottery pulled us back to #2

 

[YP44]

it feels like the margin is always pretty close on those too

heck even our kings 'jumped' out of 2nd to last to 4th to last after beating the sens in what would end up the literal final game before covid cut the season short, a few of us were like OF COURSE we would and they'd kill the season right when we lost our spot

then of course the draft lottery pulled us back to #2

LA won the last game of the year must mean we are champs. Are words i said too much during that time.

 

[All The Kings Men]

What about Doty or Gouldbourne on an AHL deal? They keep signing Doty to one year.

Jacob Doty Returns To Ontario For 2023-24

The Ontario Reign, proud AHL affiliate of the LA Kings, have re-signed forward Jacob Doty to an AHL contract for the 2023-24 season.

ontarioreign.com

 

[rt]

Yotes fan coming with trade idea.

Jan Jenik reportedly wants a fresh start. He and Kaliyev dominated the OHL once upon a time. Still a promising prospect. Has good size and skill, positional versatility. His biggest differentiator is what a pain in the ass he is. World class pest.

AZ could use LD depth. I’m seeing LA has 7 D with one way deals. Plus Spence and Clarke. Feels like too much. Bjornfot is on a one-way and has lost waiver exemption, I believe. Is Bjornfot still in the long term plans? Or is it change of scenery time?

Jenik for Bjornfot?

 

[Johnny Utah]

Jacob Doty Returns To Ontario For 2023-24

The Ontario Reign, proud AHL affiliate of the LA Kings, have re-signed forward Jacob Doty to an AHL contract for the 2023-24 season.

ontarioreign.com

Been watching Hodgson highlights all summer - wouldn't be shocked if he gets a call up or makes the Kings.

He is similar to Brendan Lemieux minus the penalties, but he is a right handed shot - something the Kings lacked and even now more so with Vilardi, McEwen and Kupari gone. They basically traded Lemieux because he was a LH for McEwen a RH.

Ontario now has Doty back to handle the dirty work, with Helenius learning the role and Kevin Connauton there just in case.

Of course, for another year, Ontario is 100x tougher than LA.

 

[Fishhead]

Yotes fan coming with trade idea.

Jan Jenik reportedly wants a fresh start. He and Kaliyev dominated the OHL once upon a time. Still a promising prospect. Has good size and skill, positional versatility. His biggest differentiator is what a pain in the ass he is. World class pest.

AZ could use LD depth. I’m seeing LA has 7 D with one way deals. Plus Spence and Clarke. Feels like too much. Bjornfot is on a one-way and has lost waiver exemption, I believe. Is Bjornfot still in the long term plans? Or is it change of scenery time?

Jenik for Bjornfot?

There isn't much LD depth in LA either, with only Anderson tied down to a long deal. I don't think the value is terrible in a vacuum, but it would probably take something more substantial to get Tobi out of LA just because we have the same LD needs. I doubt any more changes are made, to be honest. Even if they wanted to get better value out of Bjornfot they probably couldn't because taking anything back with higher salary is a no-go.