Speculation: LA Kings Offseason Thread

[Lt Dan]

For God's sake, at least a little education.

When the Kings made that deal in 1978, 18 year old players like Ray Bourque were not eligible for the 1979 NHL draft.

Even if the Kings were scouting him, he wouldn't have been eligible until the 1980 draft. Which the Kings kept their pick and took Larry Murphy.

By 1981 it was all 18 year old's getting picked.

Though the NHL and WHA were still locked in a battle of should we or shouldn't we, no ground rules on how the 1979 draft was to be handled were available in the Winter of 1978. GM's at the time were told by the NHL to prepare under the current rules. Which is why only like 6 or 7 18 year old's were taken in the first 4 rounds.

It wasn't until the merger was announced that the NHL would allow the drafting of 18 year old's, months after that deal was made.

7 other teams passed on Bourque as well before Boston took him.

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[Maynard]

I would support a 3 year lockout

That’s when #11’s contract expires.

You’ve got focus my friend.

 

[lexlavender]

People don't seem to understand that the problem with old players in free agency is inherently tied to the fact that RFA and ELCs are inherently exploitative against younger players. And as Herby had said, it's exploitative during a time when they are on the rise or in some cases in their prime.

If star players could actually get the money they deserve out the gate instead of having to wait until they are on the decline to be paid, there would be a greater shift towards paying aging players as they are worth instead of what they were worth years ago.

 

[All The Kings Men]

If star players could actually get the money they deserve out the gate instead of having to wait until they are on the decline to be paid, there would be a greater shift towards paying aging players as they are worth instead of what they were worth years ago.

so... abolish the draft and the ELC limits?

 

[lexlavender]

so... abolish the draft and the ELC limits?

I don't necessarily think you need to abolish the draft in order to relax ELC limits or eliminate/significantly reduce RFA

 

[bland]

so... abolish the draft and the ELC limits?

Always enjoyed your take on that. The host of issues it would create wouldn't be that different from the problems the current format offers, but its such a radical change that it would likely take a miracle - or absolute economic collapse - to institute it.

The biggest issue would be removing the veil of parity and accepting the FIFA reality of massive clubs attracting virtually all the top prospect talent and loaning them out to lesser clubs to mature away from the limelight. I don't know if North American fans could ever endorse that their smaller market clubs are really just feeders/potential Cinderella stories - even though that's already what they are now.

But the idea that you can buy players instead of trading is very appealing to me, especially since each player would negotiate new contracts every time they move.

 

[Kurrilino]

That’s when #11’s contract expires.

You’ve got focus my friend.

ohh... what a coincidence

 

[All The Kings Men]

its such a radical change that it would likely take a miracle - or absolute economic collapse - to institute it.

oh it'll never happen. theres zero incentive for ownership or the union to do the right thing.

The biggest issue would be removing the veil of parity and accepting the FIFA reality of massive clubs attracting virtually all the top prospect talent and loaning them out to lesser clubs to mature away from the limelight.

respectfully disagree

I don't know if North American fans could ever endorse that their smaller market clubs are really just feeders/potential Cinderella stories - even though that's already what they are now.

But the idea that you can buy players instead of trading is very appealing to me, especially since each player would negotiate new contracts every time they move.

I'd get rid of trades too...

 

[johnjm22]

People don't seem to understand that the problem with old players in free agency is inherently tied to the fact that RFA and ELCs are inherently exploitative against younger players. And as Herby had said, it's exploitative during a time when they are on the rise or in some cases in their prime.

If star players could actually get the money they deserve out the gate instead of having to wait until they are on the decline to be paid, there would be a greater shift towards paying aging players as they are worth instead of what they were worth years ago.

Star players get money all the time when they're young.

Paying someone before they've proven they can play in this league doesn't make much sense IMO.

 

[KingsFan7824]

The players that make it through the filter of playing in the NHL end up making more money because they get paid when they're older, so even if the McDavid's or Crosby's could get $100m at 18, it's that 2nd or 3rd tier of good players who really benefit from that stupid 3rd contract. Even then, if staggered free agency was still how it's done, you're still overpaying for 29 year olds, because a small number of those guys are still going to be the only guys available.

The players simply want owners fighting over a limited pool of them any given year. And the 30 year old looking to get paid isn't going to fight for the 15 year old who isn't even in the union yet.

 

[Trash Panda]

Always enjoyed your take on that. The host of issues it would create wouldn't be that different from the problems the current format offers, but its such a radical change that it would likely take a miracle - or absolute economic collapse - to institute it.

The biggest issue would be removing the veil of parity and accepting the FIFA reality of massive clubs attracting virtually all the top prospect talent and loaning them out to lesser clubs to mature away from the limelight. I don't know if North American fans could ever endorse that their smaller market clubs are really just feeders/potential Cinderella stories - even though that's already what they are now.

But the idea that you can buy players instead of trading is very appealing to me, especially since each player would negotiate new contracts every time they move.

That’s a sizzling hot take ya got there.

 

[johnjm22]

Red meat for the Tmac haters.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

For God's sake, at least a little education.

When the Kings made that deal in 1978, 18 year old players like Ray Bourque were not eligible for the 1979 NHL draft.

Even if the Kings were scouting him, he wouldn't have been eligible until the 1980 draft. Which the Kings kept their pick and took Larry Murphy.

By 1981 it was all 18 year old's getting picked.

Though the NHL and WHA were still locked in a battle of should we or shouldn't we, no ground rules on how the 1979 draft was to be handled were available in the Winter of 1978. GM's at the time were told by the NHL to prepare under the current rules. Which is why only like 6 or 7 18 year old's were taken in the first 4 rounds.

It wasn't until the merger was announced that the NHL would allow the drafting of 18 year old's, months after that deal was made.

7 other teams passed on Bourque as well before Boston took him.

The Larry Murphy pick in 1980 came from Detroit, thanks to them signing Rogie Vachon.

I guess getting Jay Wells in the first round in 1979 gave the team a solid defender for almost 10 seasons, although dealing him before the start of Gretzky's first season here was a big mistake.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Red meat for the Tmac haters.

Poor guy isn't bumping Kempe off PP1.

Really too bad AK can't grind in the corners better to earn more time from the coach.

Edit: & now he has to beat out Lewis too! Poor guy.

 

[lexlavender]

It's ridiculous that our prospects had these insane outlier statistics, like Vilardi being best on the team in shot generation and Kaliyev being a monster on the PP, yet the coaching staff completely misses or ignores these numbers in favor of veterans getting ice time.

 

[SmytheKing]

Now I just looked at the 1979 draft and saw that Edmonton got Kevin Lowe, Glenn Anderson, and Mark Messier in that one. I guess it's good that they only got Paul Coffey, Jari Kurri, and Andy Moog the next year.

Yeesh. That's a pretty good two years.

 

[psych3man]

You aren’t old bro. You’re a classic.

You are a fine judge of character.

 

[Kurrilino]

I see old people.


Here's one for ya old guys to liven up your bingo games.

There were fokkers above me, fokkers behind me & those fokkers were in Messerschmitts.

You should explain the youngsters that Fokker is the manufacturer of the Messerschmidtts.
They won't get that joke

 

[psych3man]

For God's sake, at least a little education.

When the Kings made that deal in 1978, 18 year old players like Ray Bourque were not eligible for the 1979 NHL draft.

Even if the Kings were scouting him, he wouldn't have been eligible until the 1980 draft. Which the Kings kept their pick and took Larry Murphy.

By 1981 it was all 18 year old's getting picked.

Though the NHL and WHA were still locked in a battle of should we or shouldn't we, no ground rules on how the 1979 draft was to be handled were available in the Winter of 1978. GM's at the time were told by the NHL to prepare under the current rules. Which is why only like 6 or 7 18 year old's were taken in the first 4 rounds.

It wasn't until the merger was announced that the NHL would allow the drafting of 18 year old's, months after that deal was made.

7 other teams passed on Bourque as well before Boston took him.

WTF does your response have to do with the fact an under .500 Kings team traded a 1st round pick for a goalie who ended up sucking and barely the moved the needle, and that pick ended up to be a HOF?
Also the fact the Kings frequently made horrible trades with their draft picks.
I even said in my post that there was no guarantee they would’ve picked Bourque.
No matter, it was one horribly stupid trade among way too many.

A little education: If you’re going to be a pedantic asswipe, at least make the post relevant to what you’re responding to.

 

[All The Kings Men]

WTF does your response have to do with the fact an under .500 Kings team traded a 1st round pick for a goalie who ended up sucking and barely the moved the needle, and that pick ended up to be a HOF?
Also the fact the Kings frequently made horrible trades with their draft picks.
I even said in my post that there was no guarantee they would’ve picked Bourque.
No matter, it was one horribly stupid trade among way too many.

A little education: If you’re going to be a pedantic asswipe, at least make the post relevant to what you’re responding to.

I think he was responding to my article which had plenty of education but neglected to mention the shift in draft rules that year.

 

[DoktorJeep]

Red meat for the Tmac haters.

He doesn't cast off talent lightly. He heaves it away with great force.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I think he was responding to my article which had plenty of education but neglected to mention the shift in draft rules that year.

It still doesn’t negate the fact that the Kings made a very shortsighted move, which opposing GMs often took advantage of. Buffalo, Boston and Montreal must’ve been in possession of photos of George Maguire in a compromising position.

 

[Maynard]

He doesn't cast off talent lightly. He heaves it away with great force.

Marimow gutted that unit from the inside.

 

[Statto]

Poor guy isn't bumping Kempe off PP1.

Really too bad AK can't grind in the corners better to earn more time from the coach.

Edit: & now he has to beat out Lewis too! Poor guy.

Kempe shouldn’t be the guy he’s trying to bump off PP1. I’d want to see him successful as the PP2 trigger guy first which hasn’t really happened consistently. I’d really want to see the two PP units get more equal ice time and with Clarke likely on PP2, maybe with PLD also, the second unit should in theory be very dangerous. We actually have the personnel for two decent PP lines, they just need using properly.

 

[yankeeking]

I see old people.


Here's one for ya old guys to liven up your bingo games.

There were fokkers above me, fokkers behind me & those fokkers were in Messerschmitts.

saw this in a hippie type store in Maui
" IT'S STRANGE TO BE THE SAME AGE AS OLD PEOPLE "
and it's bizarrely true for some of us