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The pens pushed all their chips in with a spectacularly mediocre roster.

I don’t get it, at all.
 
I’d personally trade Doughty for a First round pick alone if an offer like that was available. There doesn’t seem like that he has anything left in the tank. Ship him off to some playoff team and get s first would be a win win
 
johnjm22 said:
People will criticize SJ for the return they got, but Karlsson has a full NMC and there's almost no team that could take on his contract. He had very little value despite coming off such a prolific season.
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Yeah, saw some people complaining on SJ’s return but 1-2 seasons ago Karlsson was on verge to be one of the worst contracts in the league, thinking ahead I would definitely do the same
 
Sol said:
I’d personally trade Doughty for a First round pick alone if an offer like that was available. There doesn’t seem like that he has anything left in the tank. Ship him off to some playoff team and get s first would be a win win
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He has plenty in the tank, just not enough to play the stupid number of minutes he keeps getting played. He’s what #2 or #3 in the league last season for minutes per game. Dropping to 25 minutes would take years off him.
 
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johnjm22 said:
It's hard to call it a joke when you were the underdog and got outplayed almost every game.

And also, with Todd, it's just kind of expected.
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Underdog or not, that kind of collapse is pretty legendary and we'd be absolutely shredding any other team that did it

I mean literally blowing a 3-0 lead in the game and never recovering in the series instead of taking a 3-1 series lead is rough no matter what seed you are

particularly chest thumping a stronger roster and going out with a bigger whimper than the previous year

These guys better have their asses in the fire after that

Statto said:
He has plenty in the tank, just not enough to play the stupid number of minutes he keeps getting played. He’s what #2 or #3 in the league last season for minutes per game. Dropping to 25 minutes would take years off him.
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naturally, same problem with Kopitar

As much as HF boards hates him he was still voted a top 15 dman in the league here

this place is going to miss him badly when he's gone but he's getting the taint of misuse as much as anyone on this roster
 
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Statto said:
He has plenty in the tank, just not enough to play the stupid number of minutes he keeps getting played. He’s what #2 or #3 in the league last season for minutes per game. Dropping to 25 minutes would take years off him.
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At that point I’d just trade him though. What’s the point of holding onto him? Also, I don’t think he has years left at all. He’s noticeably worse to me and I think his head isn’t in the game as much as it used to be. Think he’d find passion again if he was on a team with a real chance to win plus a chance of scenery.
 
I'd trade Doughty just so we never have to see the PP go Kopitar to Doughty, Doughty to Kopitar, Kopitar to Doughty (looks around), Doughty to Kopitar. Kopitar looks at the net, back to Doughty. Camera pans to bench & Spence, Clarke & Durzi 's ghost are pulling their hair out.

Yes, it is an extreme solution.

See Sol! We agree! :laugh:
 
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I had thought dooty should have beentraded 2-3 yrs ago. We could have gotten a haul forhim. Instead, we get to listen to his wordy interviews saying all the right things. Jive ass gm and his jive ass rebuild.
No bandwagon. Doughty can skate his ass off but...
 
Sol said:
At that point I’d just trade him though. What’s the point of holding onto him? Also, I don’t think he has years left at all. He’s noticeably worse to me and I think his head isn’t in the game as much as it used to be. Think he’d find passion again if he was on a team with a real chance to win plus a chance of scenery.
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By ‘take years off him’ I mean it would make him play like a younger guy, less fatigued, fewer late game/season lapses which seems a pattern. In other words, fewer minutes = more energy and jump. Maybe it’s a UK only term.
 
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Statto said:
By ‘take years off him’ I mean it would make him play like a younger guy, less fatigued, fewer late game/season lapses which seems a pattern. In other words, fewer minutes = more energy and jump. Maybe it’s a UK only term.
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No I get what you mean but I think the amount of wear + age + noticeably less engaged is something that can’t be undone.
 
Sol said:
No I get what you mean but I think the amount of wear + age + noticeably less engaged is something that can’t be undone.
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Probably true but we’d get better value from what he has in the tank if his minutes were properly managed. It’s ludicrous that he’s still amongst the league leaders. Whilst I’m sure he likes the minutes it shouldn’t be his call.
 
johnjm22 said:
People will criticize SJ for the return they got, but Karlsson has a full NMC and there's almost no team that could take on his contract. He had very little value despite coming off such a prolific season.
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I think that’s indicative of a big problem with how the NHL implements its salary cap. There should be no such thing as a bad contract for a player who had a season like Karlsson just did.

I know this is a controversial opinion, but I think at the very least the NHL should go back to annual CBOs for every team, or renegotiating contract lengths, or something that facilitates more player movement and freedom. Big trades and roster shake ups always drive a ton of interest in a sport.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
I think that’s indicative of a big problem with how the NHL implements its salary cap. There should be no such thing as a bad contract for a player who had a season like Karlsson just did.

I know this is a controversial opinion, but I think at the very least the NHL should go back to annual CBOs for every team, or renegotiating contract lengths, or something that facilitates more player movement and freedom. Big trades and roster shake ups always drive a ton of interest in a sport.
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I like how you're thinking, and I agree they need to find some flexibility in times of restrictive cap, like now.

I don't like the idea of annual or even scheduled-at-regular-intervals CBOs because I think GMs will expect them as a tool rather than as unexpected relief

The cap works fine during times of economic expansion because it somewhat alleviates itself yearly...in years like 2019 thru now, bad things happen to all teams and it affects everyone to the degree you're saying. I wish they would have had a solution of some sort, but I don't think they should implement it in years with rising cap (like the upcoming).
 
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Trash Panda said:
The pens pushed all their chips in with a spectacularly mediocre roster.

I don’t get it, at all.
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They have Sidney Crosby for at least 2 more years. It's reality. We like to live in the world of fantasy where the moment things are meh, you just burn the whole thing down, but that's not how it works. SJ didn't get anything for Burns or Karlsson, because they're old with term. Pit is still trying to win, because they have Crosby. We don't want that to matter, but it does. If SJ had won with Karlsson, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing. They'd still be trying to win.

The Crosby's of the world are too rare. If he wants to stick around somewhere, you don't have a choice but to try. It's just what you're going to do. You can always suck and rebuild. You don't get Crosby every day.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
I think that’s indicative of a big problem with how the NHL implements its salary cap. There should be no such thing as a bad contract for a player who had a season like Karlsson just did.

I know this is a controversial opinion, but I think at the very least the NHL should go back to annual CBOs for every team, or renegotiating contract lengths, or something that facilitates more player movement and freedom. Big trades and roster shake ups always drive a ton of interest in a sport.
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I don't know if it's as much of a problem as hockey fans think. It seems to me there's lots of significant trades in the NHL every year.

I don't follow the NBA or MLB, but it seems like there's more big trades in the NHL than there is in the NFL.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
I think that’s indicative of a big problem with how the NHL implements its salary cap. There should be no such thing as a bad contract for a player who had a season like Karlsson just did.

I know this is a controversial opinion, but I think at the very least the NHL should go back to annual CBOs for every team, or renegotiating contract lengths, or something that facilitates more player movement and freedom. Big trades and roster shake ups always drive a ton of interest in a sport.
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I just don’t think this is particularly true. I think Karlsson in his prime had the ability to make a bad team good like he did once before with Ottawa. However I do buy into the notion that he excels on teams that aren’t good because he has free rein to do whatever he wants while being a mediocre defense at best. I admit I dislike Karlsson because Sens fans are irritating to say the least. But I don’t think Karlsson had a lot of value either. He’s a risk. He’s older and he came off a few abysmal seasons with injuries. One recent high scoring season doesn’t change the fact he’s older, had bad seasons, and paid a lot with an NMC. I think there are many gms who saw through the risk vs reward with him. That contract and age is not going to overlooked with one recent good season. And add to the fact he seems to excel on only bad teams, not really as good of an asset in principle .
 
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Sol said:
I just don’t think this is particularly true. I think Karlsson in his prime had the ability to make a bad team good like he did once before with Ottawa. However I do buy into the notion that he excels on teams that aren’t good because he has free rein to do whatever he wants while being a mediocre defense at best. I admit I dislike Karlsson because Sens fans are irritating to say the least. But I don’t think Karlsson had a lot of value either. He’s a risk. He’s older and he came off a few abysmal seasons with injuries. One recent high scoring season doesn’t change the fact he’s older, had bad seasons, and paid a lot with an NMC. I think there are many gms who saw through the risk vs reward with him. That contract and age is not going to overlooked with one recent good season. And add to the fact he seems to excel on only bad teams, not really as good of an asset in principle .
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Riverbed player as we used to call them … runs his own course. Which is fine in a poor team, as you say. If they fit perfectly then great, if not it’s a disaster.
 
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