Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread part VII

[Rumpelstiltskin]

(3) Mike Richards dead cap hit of under a million doesn't end until 2026/2027

This is probably splitting proverbial hairs, but I remember reading fairly recently that the expiration of this is actually somewhere around 2031 (albeit, the cap hits for the last 4-5 years or so was "negligible," in relative terms).

EDIT: Yep, found it: Salary cap ramifications of Mike Richards settlement - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Herby]

This is probably splitting proverbial hairs, but I remember reading fairly recently that the expiration of this is actually somewhere around 2031 (albeit, the cap hits for the last 4-5 years or so was "negligible," in relative terms).

EDIT: Yep, found it: Salary cap ramifications of Mike Richards settlement - Sportsnet.ca

It’s just beyond incredible that DL didn’t use the compliance buyout on him after 2014. That decision was the beginning of one of the worst eras in the history of the franchise from June 2014 to April 2017. Not sure even McMaster did as much damage.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

It’s just beyond incredible that DL didn’t use the compliance buyout on him after 2014. That decision was the beginning of one of the worst eras in the history of the franchise from June 2014 to April 2017. Not sure even McMaster did as much damage.

Except McMaster didn't win a cup...and certainly didn't win two.

 

[kingsholygrail]

It’s just beyond incredible that DL didn’t use the compliance buyout on him after 2014. That decision was the beginning of one of the worst eras in the history of the franchise from June 2014 to April 2017. Not sure even McMaster did as much damage.

Pretty sure that was his single biggest regret, GM wise.

 

[Herby]

Except McMaster didn't win a cup...and certainly didn't win two.

I pretty clearly stated it was from June 2014 to April 2017.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I pretty clearly stated it was from June 2014 to April 2017.

But the 'damage' done (as in Mike Richards) was an acquisition that helped bring us two cups...how can you just glaze over that? McMaster did nothing, I don't even think we made the playoffs under his regime.

 

[Herby]

But the 'damage' done (as in Mike Richards) was an acquisition that helped bring us two cups...how can you just glaze over that? McMaster did nothing, I don't even think we made the playoffs under his regime.

Because the initial acquisition of Richards was a completely different move made three years before, and it was a good move. In 2011 it was the right move to trade prospects for a legit 2C the team needed to compete. In 2014 it was the wrong move to commit 5 years and $30m to a player who wasn’t NHL caliber anymore.

 

[Sol]

But the 'damage' done (as in Mike Richards) was an acquisition that helped bring us two cups...how can you just glaze over that? McMaster did nothing, I don't even think we made the playoffs under his regime.

Not to speak on his behalf but you’re twisting his words. He’s talking about keeping richards after the buyout window was where things began to fell apart.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I am not talking about Durzi, I am talking about the last mess of a paragraph you added while trying to interpret what he said.

The players are the last ones worth listening to when it comes to these things. They have little perspective and cannot separate what happens on the ice and in the locker room from the decision making process in management. Durzi hasn't been given freedom, its the only way he knows how to play and the team had no choice but to promote him due to injury.

They didn't think he was ready, otherwise he would have been up months earlier - literally all available defensemen other than the rookie Spence were given a shot first because they were safer options. THAT is how this team thinks, safety first, risks as a last resort. How many of these skilled forwards may have actually produced if given the chance before they were blooded into this mindset? Wouldn't just ONE have made a difference?

And last night we saw the downside as Durzi was godawful, responsible for 4 goals against. The games before we saw the upside. That yo-yo effect is what management is trying to avoid, they want plug and play safe options that won't hurt their chances. My opinion is that wins and losses are totally irrelevant at this stage of a rebuild, the top priority must be player development and this team neuters offense out of these kids before it has the chance to develop. They must be allowed to work on their strengths as much as their weaknesses, which involves minutes in offensive situations with established offensive players.

And you, removed by however many steps from the entire process, on or off the ice, has better insight? Sure, I guess.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Not to speak on his behalf but you’re twisting his words. He’s talking about keeping richards after the buyout window was where things began to fell apart.

yeah, I got that...and I stand by what I said.

 

[Herby]

I'm not on board with an offer sheet, but I disagree with this reasoning.

How they play at 17 vs. their peers is important, those are guys who they'll be competing with for best in the world again in their mid-20s when things start evening out (ie they aren't just kids, they have man strength and big-league experience).

How certain players look at 18-20 against grown ass men is important too but especially for 'big body' guys like KK and Byfield history has shown those years to be almost always relatively disappointing. The idea of taking a chance on one of those guys at a discount is a good one (though I fully agree w/you regarding the rest and why we shouldn't do it).

The problem is, there has been no progression, no steps made for the player, and that is troubling. It's simple to say he's a big bodied kid who needs time, but for a #2 pick with this little to show after his D+3 he starts to enter into territory you don't want to be in. This league is littered with busts since the entry draft was implemented and at this point I think its way more likely he is a bust/big disappointment (however people define bust) than he is an elite 1st line winger he was projected to be. And as far how he did against his peers at 17, well how about how he has done against his peers at 20/21? That has to count for something, and he's been jumped by a decent amount of guys his age, atleast IMO.

Do you think he's a Top 10 pick in a re-draft?
Would you trade Kaliyev for him?

 

[Kurrilino]

No thank you, Kasperi Kapanen is an expensive wannabe Trevor Moore and we have better options internally.

Folks, if we want a 'scorer', have to think bigger than guys who are 40-50 point guys elsewhere and account for the "kings tax" of offense.

it never fails to astound me how much we completely destroy 40-50 point guys on our roster and then want everyone else's similar toys...

This, this and this.

Scorers are measured in goals and nothing else.
I don't care if they even know that we have a defensive zone.

If we add someone by trade, it must be a proven 30+ goal scorer a youngster with that potential.
Everything else, we have tons of in our own organization

 

[johnjm22]

it never fails to astound me how much we completely destroy 40-50 point guys on our roster and then want everyone else's similar toys...

The grass is always greener on the other side.

 

[Herby]

I always kind of fell in the middle on Iafallo. It seemed there was a vocal group that believed he was a legit 1st line player and another group that thought he was a 3rd liner. The truth was probably somewhere in the middkle. But it's tough to just ignore his play this season and easily project a role for him next season as a top nine forward. If there isn't some kind of injury that is significantly slowing him down the Kings really do risk having a huge $4m a year anchor for the next three seasons.

It's very unlikely he is traded this offseason unless it's in a deal dumping cap on Arizona, so you have to hope for the best with a bounce back but it could also be the beginning of the end. I am happy for AI that he did atleast get paid, he was pretty underpaid up until now.

 

[deaderhead28]

This is probably splitting proverbial hairs, but I remember reading fairly recently that the expiration of this is actually somewhere around 2031 (albeit, the cap hits for the last 4-5 years or so was "negligible," in relative terms).

EDIT: Yep, found it: Salary cap ramifications of Mike Richards settlement - Sportsnet.ca

I was using CapFriendly so maybe their wrong. Los Angeles Kings Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[KINGS17]

It’s just beyond incredible that DL didn’t use the compliance buyout on him after 2014. That decision was the beginning of one of the worst eras in the history of the franchise from June 2014 to April 2017. Not sure even McMaster did as much damage.

Yup, that was the first of several mistakes made that came from treating players as family instead of treating them primarily as assets to win hockey games.

It's fine to love "your guys", as long as you love them like Branch Rickey did his Dodgers.

When the players have more job security in a guaranteed contract than the boss does, this is also a natural occurrence.

 

[deaderhead28]

 

[Herby]

Hoping that Quick plays as many games as he is physically capable of down the stretch. I've seen enough of Peterson's transformation into the modern day Mathieu Garon.

 

[Telos]

I agree, in a sense, and I was in the camp that Iafallo was overrated and a bottom 6 player, though I have changed my tune the last season or so to one who believes he could be a top 6, or at least a second-line player.

It is tough because if you look at just his stats, they are in line with everything he's done for the Kings thus far which goes to show just how hot he was to start the season and it starts to have the feeling like that pace was an outlier.

Trying to trade him now would come with huge red flags and we'd likely have to pay to take the contract off of our hands. There are no good options other than letting him play out another season to see if he re-discovers his game.

But right now, he is ineffective, beyond snake bitten, has lost all confidence, and looks like a 4th line placeholder that is just neutrally eating minutes for no reason. The rest of the "first" line suffers a bit from this as well, but not necessarily as much as Iafallo has. Though Kopitar deserves a mention as being close.

 

[onlyalad]

I was using CapFriendly so maybe their wrong. Los Angeles Kings Salary Cap, Draft Picks, and Player Contracts - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Cap friendly shows it as well but lists it a termination fees. That may be figured differently

 

[lumbergh]

Bjornfot or Moverare sitting for Edler? Durzi or Spence out for Austin Strand?

 

[lumbergh]

Cap friendly shows it as well but lists it a termination fees. That may be figured differently

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The Mets have Bobby Bonilla Day, the Kings should have a Mike Richards Day.

 

[kings11]

I agree, in a sense, and I was in the camp that Iafallo was overrated and a bottom 6 player, though I have changed my tune the last season or so to one who believes he could be a top 6, or at least a second-line player.

It is tough because if you look at just his stats, they are in line with everything he's done for the Kings thus far which goes to show just how hot he was to start the season and it starts to have the feeling like that pace was an outlier.

Trying to trade him now would come with huge red flags and we'd likely have to pay to take the contract off of our hands. There are no good options other than letting him play out another season to see if he re-discovers his game.

But right now, he is ineffective, beyond snake bitten, has lost all confidence, and looks like a 4th line placeholder that is just neutrally eating minutes for no reason. The rest of the "first" line suffers a bit from this as well, but not necessarily as much as Iafallo has. Though Kopitar deserves a mention as being close.

Odd isn’t it, it literally seems as if he was able to improve so long as we didn’t have the pressure of playing meaningful games but now that he’s needed the most he’s not of much value… Still think the guy might be hurt and I say this as one of the guys that wanted to trade him and didn’t see him as a top 6..

Not sure if you saw or read the comments TMac made a few games back about AI and Kopi looking tired/bad and he flat out admitted to having to double and triple shift them.. my jaw dropped and F bombs followed, like duh, that shit was obvious months ago.. why TF did we sign Danault then? TMac isn’t going to finish out his contract I think, he’s here to I still some winning before a better coach can hopefully take them to the promise land.. he’s our new Terry

 

[Fishhead]

Bjornfot or Moverare sitting for Edler? Durzi or Spence out for Austin Strand?

I would do both. Edler for Moverare and Strand for one of Durzi/Spence. The high risk stuff will probably hurt more than help against EDM.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

I hop Moerare is the one sitting. His passing is baaaaad.