Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[kings11]

I would say Chychrun is more highly regarded than Muzzin.

Muzzin got a 1st and two 2nds.

I'm not saying I would necessarily do it, but two 1sts and a 2nd is about the price I would expect AZ to ask.

Muzzin was a much better Dman than Chychrun currently is. Hence, if he isn’t in that range of being a true #2 then it an easy pass considering the price.
At one point, pundits were asking if Muzzin was on Drew’s level, something that’s never been said of JC compared to his peers

 

[kilowatt]

I think Faber’s ceiling is probably like a right-handed Brady Skjei, which is a great defenseman. His floor is probably Matt Roy.

As for Chychrun, are the first round picks futures or can we include some already-drafted guys? If it’s something like Kupari, Durzi, and a ‘24 first, you can convince me.

Anderson - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Bjornfot - Spence

 

[cyclones22]

Voynov before he got banished was better than Muzzin. The second pairing of Mitchell and Voynov was great.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Muzzin was a much better Dman than Chychrun currently is. Hence, if he isn’t in that range of being a true #2 then it an easy pass considering the price.
At one point, pundits were asking if Muzzin was on Drew’s level, something that’s never been said of JC compared to his peers

Man! How did JC become UNDERRATED?

 

[kings11]

Man! How did JC become UNDERRATED?

Do you not remember what type of player Jake Muzzin was on the Kings?
As for Chychrun, you’d be a fool to think he’s a top pairing #1 Dman because he’s not. He’s barely a #2 guy that can’t stay healthy, who isn’t overly physical but blocks shots(see injuries) and has a great contract but look at his numbers against top competition and it more than leaves you underwhelmed..

But sure, keep thinking he’s underrated.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Do people think that JC is bad at defense? I mean, he’s not a wizard but he’s average at worst. However, JC is a great offensive dman. Muzzin was a good to very good at time’s defenseman but you simply can compare the two. What Muzzin has done so early in his career is extraordinary. The ONLY negative is health (yes, that’s a big issue).

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Do you not remember what type of player Jake Muzzin was on the Kings?
As for Chychrun, you’d be a fool to think he’s a top pairing #1 Dman because he’s not. He’s barely a #2 guy that can’t stay healthy, who isn’t overly physical but blocks shots(see injuries) and has a great contract but look at his numbers against top competition and it more than leaves you underwhelmed..

But sure, keep thinking he’s underrated.

It was a different era then. Nobody plays physical now, including Muzzin prior to his injury. Also, JC has done all of this at an incredibly early age. Compare each of them at their respective years.

Why do you think the JC is bad against competition? That’s a heck of a lot of points scored against bad competition. I’ve seen him play for a dozen games this year (fantasy team) and I’ve come away impressed in every game.

 

[DrHansReinhardt]

What does everyone think about the Kings targeting Juuse Saros? Nashville is going to struggle to make the ovs and they have a potential young stud in Askarov waiting in the wings. They have a lot of high dollar vets so could see them taking futures and young cost controlled assets in return. Time to pull the shoots GMDP.

Saros is 27y/o with 2 years remaining @5mil after this season.

 

[kings11]

It was a different era then. Nobody plays physical now, including Muzzin prior to his injury. Also, JC has done all of this at an incredibly early age. Compare each of them at their respective years.

Why do you think the JC is bad against competition? That’s a heck of a lot of points scored against bad competition. I’ve seen him play for a dozen games this year (fantasy team) and I’ve come away impressed in every game.

Do you just stat watch or do you actually dig into how and when he gets his production. That’s a honest question since you say you’ve seen him a dozen times this season and came away impressed. How many of those games were against top teams and how many shifts against top lines? I would say not many because those assignments fall to Ghost.

As for physicality, I’m not taking about Dustin Brown monster hits, I’m referring to what teams do to us ala Edm who turns up the physicality and we wilt. We need a Dman that can be physical(that word again) and dependable, would you classify JC as that?
What are his numbers against top comp, does he deny zone entries, how good is he on the PK and so on..

Finally, does he makes us a SC contender this, next season the one after? If not then why acquire him because in two seasons he’ll ask for McAvoy, Werenski, Fox, Makar monies. Seems to me our most pressing need is actually a goaltender for the future

What does everyone think about the Kings targeting Juuse Saros? Nashville is going to struggle to make the ovs and they have a potential young stud in Askarov waiting in the wings. They have a lot of high dollar vets so could see them taking futures and young cost controlled assets in return. Time to pull the shoots GMDP.

Saros is 27y/o with 2 years remaining @5mil after this season.

I’d love him on the team and would still like to make a run at Erik Portillo

 

[KingsHockey24]

I'm thinking if we can't land a Chychrun/Provorov/Gavrikov by the deadline we settle for a #6/7 LHD with some size or stability in case of injury to Edler/Anderson.

Robert Hagg, Joel Edmundson, Nick Holden, Jeremy Lauzon, Jake McCabe, Jack Johnson, Jarred Tinordi, Dmitry Kulikov, Nathan Beaulieu, etc.

 

[ru4reals]

Call me crazy I like being under the radar. But they've played really well for sure.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I’m not overly wrapped up on it having to be a LD. Yes it’s ideal but they’re on short supply. Schenn is having a pretty solid year.

Personally, I sure am. Otherwise, there are plenty of internal options.

Do people think that JC is bad at defense? I mean, he’s not a wizard but he’s average at worst. However, JC is a great offensive dman. Muzzin was a good to very good at time’s defenseman but you simply can compare the two. What Muzzin has done so early in his career is extraordinary. The ONLY negative is health (yes, that’s a big issue).

He's not good at it. I do think he's a top-pairing guy but he's the #2 with a good defensive/two-way partner. But there's a reason they don't have him out there in defensive situations and why his numbers and stats have dropped anytime he's been used as anything more than Erik Karlsson. That's the reason I think the cost is prohibitive--you're trading for a guy whose valuation is at "all situations top pairing guy" when it's really more Sean Durzi than Drew Doughty.

What does everyone think about the Kings targeting Juuse Saros? Nashville is going to struggle to make the ovs and they have a potential young stud in Askarov waiting in the wings. They have a lot of high dollar vets so could see them taking futures and young cost controlled assets in return. Time to pull the shoots GMDP.

Saros is 27y/o with 2 years remaining @5mil after this season.

I've thought about it a LOT. Nashville presumably will look to Askarov for the future so Saros would be a great bridge. you could also look at one of their LHDs while at it--Ekholm, McDonagh, Lauzon (Josi? lol). However dunno what their needs are.

 

[cyclones22]

Cal Petersen's existence in the organization destroys any chance of the Kings ever trading for a good goaltender in the next few years. Especially this season with both Quick and his cap hit on the books. It sucks because I think there could be some good goaltenders who could be had for a reasonable deal.

 

[DrHansReinhardt]

I've thought about it a LOT. Nashville presumably will look to Askarov for the future so Saros would be a great bridge. you could also look at one of their LHDs while at it--Ekholm, McDonagh, Lauzon (Josi? lol). However dunno what their needs are.

I doubt they'd move Lauzon, unfortunately. He would be ideal though. I'm sure they'd want to saddle us with one of the pricey vets. McD and Ekholm are a little long in the tooth. I can see N-ville wanting to get out from under those contracts. The Perds salary structure is a disaster lol

Cal Petersen's existence in the organization destroys any chance of the Kings ever trading for a good goaltender in the next few years. Especially this season with both Quick and his cap hit on the books. It sucks because I think there could be some good goaltenders who could be had for a reasonable deal.

A potential buyout should be on the table if Pete gets recalled and continues to shit the bed.

 

[Fishhead]

Do people think that JC is bad at defense? I mean, he’s not a wizard but he’s average at worst. However, JC is a great offensive dman. Muzzin was a good to very good at time’s defenseman but you simply can compare the two. What Muzzin has done so early in his career is extraordinary. The ONLY negative is health (yes, that’s a big issue).

Muzzin had 3 40+ years in a 4 year span with the Kings. He was well above average defensively, played physically, and hit people. Chychrun does none of those things.

And I disagree that Muzzin and Chychrun can't be compared offensively...

Career ppg:

Muzzin: 0.43
Chychrun: 0.45

And Muzzin faced tough matchups while Chychrun is getting lobbed softballs.

Offense is the only category that Chychrun can keep up with Muzzin in, and it's nearly a wash.

We could absolutely use him, but not at the cost.

What does everyone think about the Kings targeting Juuse Saros? Nashville is going to struggle to make the ovs and they have a potential young stud in Askarov waiting in the wings. They have a lot of high dollar vets so could see them taking futures and young cost controlled assets in return. Time to pull the shoots GMDP.

Saros is 27y/o with 2 years remaining @5mil after this season.

I've always thought he would be a good fit here, and we have the horses to do it. The ask would be substantial.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Would love to see it somehow though, even if it's jsut a patch for now

Anderson-Doughty
McDonagh-Durzi
Edler-Roy

Saros
Copley

 

[TruKingFan]

This is hyperbole, no?

You think all-star level forwards are much, much easier to find than defensemen who haven't played an NHL game yet? That's a unique take to say the least. Fiala is a top 30 NHL scorer, teams are lucky to have one player of that caliber. If they aren't difficult to acquire, why doesn't every team have 2 or 3 guys at a ppg?

Top-4 defenders don't play 25+ minutes, that would be a true #1 there are only maybe 10 guys in the league that do that. I like Faber's game, but if he turns out even close to that I'll be completely shocked. I always saw his ceiling as a 2nd pairing defenseman, and a good one at that.

He's maybe in the top 25 of prospects, and that's being favorable. I put him more like top-30, which is still fantastic. But you are talking about him like he's the next coming. I understand you are high on Faber, but come on...

Also, the reason the Kings don't have a 25+ minute shutdown guy is those players don't exist - they ALL have some level of offense. You don't play them that much otherwise. And the Kings already do have a young shutdown guy who can handle anyone, that's Mikey Anderson. Ask McDavid about him after he was up in his grill the entire last game.

Whether Faber wanted to sign or not, you make that trade 10 out of 10 times.

Unlike his name, that poster is known for the bold part. And he think he's Gods gift to hockey. LOL.
No one who is somebody in the NHL will NOT make that trade. Idiotic to think otherwise for all the reasons you lay out above.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Muzzin had 3 40+ years in a 4 year span with the Kings. He was well above average defensively, played physically, and hit people. Chychrun does none of those things.

And I disagree that Muzzin and Chychrun can't be compared offensively...

Career ppg:

Muzzin: 0.43
Chychrun: 0.45

And Muzzin faced tough matchups while Chychrun is getting lobbed softballs.

Offense is the only category that Chychrun can keep up with Muzzin in, and it's nearly a wash.

We could absolutely use him, but not at the cost.



I've always thought he would be a good fit here, and we have the horses to do it. The ask would be substantial.

With respect to Muzzin, he didn’t do any of those things until he was 24. JC is just now 24. Muzzin was on a winning team, next to DD. JC has been on a team that has struggled to spend the cap floor.

Was Muzzin better defensively? Sure. Would JC be better at defense playing on a defensive minded team in an era where the game was slower? Yeah. Was Muzzin good defensively after he left the Kings? I didn’t watch enough but he certainly wasn’t the same TYPE of player that he was in LA.

I’m not advocating that we trade for JC, but I feel like he’s starting to get undue hate.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

A healthy Chychrun is easily better than Muzzin was, they problem is he's rarely healthy

 

[BringTheReign]

Chychrun's defensive impact by GSVA is 61st percentile this year, and in two of his three previous seasons has been even better than that while bringing elite production while logging big minutes. He's playing at a 2.6 win pace this year, and his last three years are -0.6, 2.0, and 1.1 respectively. He might not be a shutdown defenseman, but he's absolutely good enough to anchor a 2nd pairing on a contending team.

For those wondering about Muzzin in comparison, here's his GSVA from the 2014 lineup. I also included the 2012 lineup below. I believe these only include those regular seasons; there's no playoff data included.

 

[Fishhead]

With respect to Muzzin, he didn’t do any of those things until he was 24. JC is just now 24. Muzzin was on a winning team, next to DD. JC has been on a team that has struggled to spend the cap floor.

Was Muzzin better defensively? Sure. Would JC be better at defense playing on a defensive minded team in an era where the game was slower? Yeah. Was Muzzin good defensively after he left the Kings? I didn’t watch enough but he certainly wasn’t the same TYPE of player that he was in LA.

I’m not advocating that we trade for JC, but I feel like he’s starting to get undue hate.

I think the hate is due to the price, really. That, and he's really getting cushy assignments right now, the 2nd easiest on the team. He's had 1 fantastic year, and Arizona is trying to cash in, and rightfully so.

 

[kinghock]

Chychrun's defensive impact by GSVA is 61st percentile this year, and in two of his three previous seasons has been even better than that while bringing elite production while logging big minutes. He's playing at a 2.6 win pace this year, and his last three years are -0.6, 2.0, and 1.1 respectively. He might not be a shutdown defenseman, but he's absolutely good enough to anchor a 2nd pairing on a contending team.

For those wondering about Muzzin in comparison, here's his GSVA from the 2014 lineup. I also included the 2012 lineup below. I believe these only include those regular seasons; there's no playoff data included.

But his current trading price like he is 1st pairing, not a 2nd

 

[BringTheReign]

But his current trading price like he is 1st pairing, not a 2nd

By the sum of every metric, he’s providing 1st pair value. Depending on what WAR/GSVA/percentile stat you look at, he's been anywhere between the 12-20th most impactful defenseman in the league this year. For reference, Doughty is playing at a 3.0 win pace by GSVA which is elite. Anything about 2 wins is 1st pair quality, and he’s at 2.6. I think on a deeper team he’d absolutely crush 2nd pair minutes -or- be a lethal compliment to Doughty on the top pair.

I think his price is valid given his contract, age, and play. The big BUT (and it is big) is his injury history. We’ve made gambles before on once injury-prone players like Williams and Mitchell. We didn’t have to pay this much to do it though.

 

[johnjm22]

Remember when Muzzin was traded, he had 1.5 years left on his contract. Chychrun has 2.5 years left on his deal.

That extra year with the low cap hit adds a lot of value.

Muzzin was also 29, while Chychrun is just 24. Chychrun's prime years are in front of him, while Muzzin was at the tail end of his.

 

[Bandit]

Chychrun also hasn’t done shit other than be IR Champion.