Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[YAYSAY]

18% retention would make his cap hit 9.4M

He's 32yo, and signed for 4 more seasons after this one.

Only way a deal could work is if Sharks take on a significant contract in return. No contender can take on 9.4M cap hit.

Yeah no way anyone is giving up that much and taking on 9.4M for a 32 year old. I wonder what's the largest cap hit a team has taken on at the deadline?

 

[johnjm22]

Yeah no way anyone is giving up that much and taking on 9.4M for a 32 year old. I wonder what's the largest cap hit a team has taken on at the deadline?

Well at the deadline, his pro-rated cap hit would only be about 2.3M at 18% retention (if my understanding is correct.)

But the next 4 seasons after the full cap hit would be 9.4M.

I think the Sharks would gladly take two 1st round equivalent assets.

 

[LAKings88]

Faber was looking like was not going to sign in LA anyway. Different situation

He is in a log jam and probably touted by other gms too. Would you want Spence or Durzi? Doesn't mean he is available just I'd take Spence over the two.

It is only speculation that Faber would not have signed, never verified.

 

[BringTheReign]

LA Kings: Three LD options not named Chychrun or Provorov

Other than Jakob Chychrun, what other left-shot defensemen might be available to the LA Kings as the NHL Trade Deadline approaches?

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I'm glad they popped the Gavrikov and Edmundson bubbles in this analysis. They can't play the type of puck game we need our defense to play. Maatta would be a better retread than either of them. Forsling is a good player, but with how weak Florida's blueline is and their lack of cap space they're not going to move him. I'm not sure I'd be interested in him over other players either.

It is only speculation that Faber would not have signed, never verified.

Brock Faber returning to the University of Minnesota



You're absolutely right, but just because it wasn't verified doesn't mean there wasn't a ton of smoke pointing that direction. Faber turned down signing after his sophomore year AND the opportunity to have his first NHL game be last season against his hometown team, the Wild. I'll grant you that it has never been confirmed, but these college free agents never are until they head back for the year that grants them FA status. I'll also add his comments below from after the trade that pretty much sell the idea as well.

Brock Faber’s Minnesota dreams comes true: ‘Wild and Gophers. … Those were always the 2 dream landing spots’

Faber (referring to the Wild & U of Minn): “Ever since I started playing, those were always the two dream landing spots. And what do you know?

Faber: “I went to the Ottawa game, too, earlier in the season when we won in overtime. This was when we beat Colorado,” Faber said. Asked if he called the Wild “we” when he was still a Kings prospect or if this was a development now that he has suddenly become a Wild prospect, Faber laughed: “No, I’ve always called them, ‘We.’ Nothing changed. I couldn’t shake it. The Wild’s always been my team.”

 

[Trash Panda]

I’ll never understand the butthurt about losing Faber.

He was my favorite D prospect of the Kings by a mile, but all signs/smoke pointed to him going home as soon as he finished college, without even a sliver of indication of him doing anything else. It’s a no brainer to use him as a chip.

The chances of the kings turning the first round pick that went with him into a player half as dynamic as Fiala are about zero, to boot.

 

[BringTheReign]

The Ducks have the rights to two left-handed, 6'2" college senior defensemen right now. If Thrun and/or LaCombe go to free agency after their senior year ends in the spring, you gotta think Blake will be all over it. I doubt we'll be able to sign them given how much of a backlog we have in general, but as leftys they could be sold on the idea of jumping into the NHL sooner given their handedness and polish after 4 years in college hockey.

Henry Thrun Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps
Jackson LaCombe Contract, Cap Hit, Salary and Stats - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[bland]

I’ll never understand the butthurt about losing Faber.

He was my favorite D prospect of the Kings by a mile, but all signs/smoke pointed to him going home as soon as he finished college, without even a sliver of indication of him doing anything else. It’s a no brainer to use him as a chip.

The chances of the kings turning the first round pick that went with him into a player half as dynamic as Fiala are about zero, to boot.

There is absolutely nothing to this stuff, people need to stop inventing a narrative here. Faber didn't sign in Minnesota yet either, he has clearly stated his desire was to return to college, not to avoid Los Angeles.

It was a poor decision to trade him. People can one-in-the-hand this one until the cows come home, but players with Faber's ability are exceedingly rare nowadays and are exactly what every team trying to win is looking for to shore up their chances.

I say this knowing full well how good Fiala is, and admittedly he is even better in LA than he was in Minnesota - players who bring what Fiala does are simply much, much easier to find. They are available every year. Maybe not the same style points, but the same results aren't difficult to acquire.

Look a year or two down the road. The Kings have multiple wingers set for top 6 duty even if they don't look outside the organization. Offense WAS a weakness, just a little bit of patience and proper development would have still seen a loaded top 9 here. There is nobody even remotely close to being a top 4 shutdown, 25+ minute defender who can skate with any opponent in the world. Faber can only be projected now, obviously, but look at those projections. He is a top 12-20 prospect in the world for a reason.

 

[Trash Panda]

There is absolutely nothing to this stuff, people need to stop inventing a narrative here. Faber didn't sign in Minnesota yet either, he has clearly stated his desire was to return to college, not to avoid Los Angeles.

It was a poor decision to trade him. People can one-in-the-hand this one until the cows come home, but players with Faber's ability are exceedingly rare nowadays and are exactly what every team trying to win is looking for to shore up their chances.

I say this knowing full well how good Fiala is, and admittedly he is even better in LA than he was in Minnesota - players who bring what Fiala does are simply much, much easier to find. They are available every year. Maybe not the same style points, but the same results aren't difficult to acquire.

Look a year or two down the road. The Kings have multiple wingers set for top 6 duty even if they don't look outside the organization. Offense WAS a weakness, just a little bit of patience and proper development would have still seen a loaded top 9 here. There is nobody even remotely close to being a top 4 shutdown, 25+ minute defender who can skate with any opponent in the world. Faber can only be projected now, obviously, but look at those projections. He is a top 12-20 prospect in the world for a reason.

I mean, we can easily “this or that” the whole argument about him signing for days, but the simple truth is that there were many signs/reasons/external factors that pointed to him staying in Minnesota.

There weren’t any signs pointing to him coming to LA, he even turned down a contract offer with NHL playing time guaranteed, and it’s the only reason I was okay with trading him.

Completely agree about what he brings to the table and what he projects to be, but there just isn’t any evidence to suggest it would have been with the kings.

Would have been a giant kick in the balls to lose him Blake Wheeler style.

 

[dman3474]

I still like Samberg or Stanley out of Winnipeg. Stanley has been hurt (ankle) but is a huge body. Samberg is a big boy too and kills penalties. Both still young and fairly raw, but would be great to grow into the position with the rest of our young D

 

[YP44]

I’ll never understand the butthurt about losing Faber.

He was my favorite D prospect of the Kings by a mile, but all signs/smoke pointed to him going home as soon as he finished college, without even a sliver of indication of him doing anything else. It’s a no brainer to use him as a chip.

The chances of the kings turning the first round pick that went with him into a player half as dynamic as Fiala are about zero, to boot.

Who was butthurt about it? I think it was a shrewed move by Blake. I was unsure on the deal at the time because I was unsure about if bringing in a forward was best used of assets given, however getting that value from Faber was a good move.

I mean, we can easily “this or that” the whole argument about him signing for days, but the simple truth is that there were many signs/reasons/external factors that pointed to him staying in Minnesota.

There weren’t any signs pointing to him coming to LA, he even turned down a contract offer with NHL playing time guaranteed, and it’s the only reason I was okay with trading him.

Completely agree about what he brings to the table and what he projects to be, but there just isn’t any evidence to suggest it would have been with the kings.

Would have been a giant kick in the balls to lose him Blake Wheeler style.

Given where Winnipeg is in the standings i do not see them dealing either

 

[Schrute farms]

Re: Vladislav Gavrikov -- "He is also someone that struggles with helping his team exit the defensive zone".
Yikes, that's the LAST thing the Kings need to add on the D corps. I'm 100% in for size/toughness, but not if it comes with that.

 

[Trash Panda]

Re: Vladislav Gavrikov -- "He is also someone that struggles with helping his team exit the defensive zone".
Yikes, that's the LAST thing the Kings need to add on the D corps. I'm 100% in for size/toughness, but not if it comes with that.

Size is over rated.

 

[Bandit]

Size is over rated.

She’s lying to you to protect your feelings.

 

[Lt Dan]

She’s lying to you to protect your feelings.

Bandit won the internet today. The rest of us can go home

 

[Statto]

Got it....so then the next question is....how is Durzi/Walker/whomever you want to throw in there, responsible for the shooters location, just a random situation here, puck goes into the corner, Durzi goes to retreive, puck battle ensues, Kupari comes to help leaving his guy open, puck gets to Kupari's guy, Durzi recognizes it quicker goes to challenge, but shooter gets the shot off.....how does that calculate? See what I am saying, those stats by themselves to judge a player, are useless.....what they do is help you narrow the field, pro scouts, hey we need a good defensive LD, there's 32 x 3 96 LD in the NHL, another 96 in the AHL, let's narrow that down.....so we sort by DFF%(whatever it's called) and then you can go look at the situations etc, but it can't be used to say this guy is good or bad defensively

That’s why it’s about sample size. On a given play it’s no always down to him but if he’s always on the ice when it happens a picture builds up. I don’t believe in comparing these things between teams always as context is different but over a season between teammates it’s quite telling.

 

[No Name The Nameless]

The one hope i have re: Gavrikov is that Blake seems to have been pretty good at getting in and discussing cntracts/extensions prior to trades, ie as close to a sign and trade as we're likely to see....which you would think is a win-win because then there's less risk for a the Kings and the potential for higher value for CBJ. I'd easily do a 1st+ for Gavrikov if I knew we'd get at least a three years out of him.

I’d give up Durzi a 4th and a 2024 FRP.

 

[Trash Panda]

She’s lying to you to protect your feelings.

Long as Sancho re-stocks the beer fridge, and treats her like a lady, I can take the lie.

 

[Fishhead]

There is absolutely nothing to this stuff, people need to stop inventing a narrative here. Faber didn't sign in Minnesota yet either, he has clearly stated his desire was to return to college, not to avoid Los Angeles.

It was a poor decision to trade him. People can one-in-the-hand this one until the cows come home, but players with Faber's ability are exceedingly rare nowadays and are exactly what every team trying to win is looking for to shore up their chances.

I say this knowing full well how good Fiala is, and admittedly he is even better in LA than he was in Minnesota - players who bring what Fiala does are simply much, much easier to find. They are available every year. Maybe not the same style points, but the same results aren't difficult to acquire.

Look a year or two down the road. The Kings have multiple wingers set for top 6 duty even if they don't look outside the organization. Offense WAS a weakness, just a little bit of patience and proper development would have still seen a loaded top 9 here. There is nobody even remotely close to being a top 4 shutdown, 25+ minute defender who can skate with any opponent in the world. Faber can only be projected now, obviously, but look at those projections. He is a top 12-20 prospect in the world for a reason.

This is hyperbole, no?

You think all-star level forwards are much, much easier to find than defensemen who haven't played an NHL game yet? That's a unique take to say the least. Fiala is a top 30 NHL scorer, teams are lucky to have one player of that caliber. If they aren't difficult to acquire, why doesn't every team have 2 or 3 guys at a ppg?

Top-4 defenders don't play 25+ minutes, that would be a true #1 there are only maybe 10 guys in the league that do that. I like Faber's game, but if he turns out even close to that I'll be completely shocked. I always saw his ceiling as a 2nd pairing defenseman, and a good one at that.

He's maybe in the top 25 of prospects, and that's being favorable. I put him more like top-30, which is still fantastic. But you are talking about him like he's the next coming. I understand you are high on Faber, but come on...

Also, the reason the Kings don't have a 25+ minute shutdown guy is those players don't exist - they ALL have some level of offense. You don't play them that much otherwise. And the Kings already do have a young shutdown guy who can handle anyone, that's Mikey Anderson. Ask McDavid about him after he was up in his grill the entire last game.

Whether Faber wanted to sign or not, you make that trade 10 out of 10 times.

 

[johnjm22]

Re: Vladislav Gavrikov -- "He is also someone that struggles with helping his team exit the defensive zone".
Yikes, that's the LAST thing the Kings need to add on the D corps. I'm 100% in for size/toughness, but not if it comes with that.

Why do people think Gavrikov is tough?

Because he's big and has a cool name?

 

[No Name The Nameless]

It's almost criminal how underrated Durzi is on this board...., his play of late has been absolutely stellar.....he's still young as hell, still learning the position at the NHL level, and half of you would rather trade him than develop him, how in the world does that make any sense?

EVERY opposing broadcast, nothing but praise....and that's not to say they watch him all the time, but man......it's insane.

Bjornfoot will be Edler's replacement, simple as that.

Andersson - Doughty
Durzi - Roy
Bjornfoot - Clarke
Walker

Next year's D...unless a major move is made, but if one is, I don't see Durzi being the one traded....

Durzi will look good for a period of time and then go through insane mental lapses, compounded by his inability to catch up. Personally, I don’t like his game at all. I like HIM and his leadership but he’s an absolute idiot out there.

 

[Fishhead]

Why do people think Gavrikov is tough?

Because he's big and has a cool name?

Yeah he doesn't drop the gloves, like ever. He's not a bruising hitter either, just uses his size well.

 

[johnjm22]

Hits per 60min TOI:

PLAYER	SEASON	TEAM	HITS/60
Alexander Edler	20222023​	LAK	7.34​
Jacob Moverare	20222023​	LAK	6.01​
Tobias Bjornfot	20222023​	LAK	5.97​
Mikey Anderson	20222023​	LAK	5.75​
Matt Roy	20222023​	LAK	5.14​
Sean Walker	20222023​	LAK	4.55​
Drew Doughty	20222023​	LAK	3.26​
Sean Durzi	20222023​	LAK	3.12​
Vladislav Gavrikov	20222023​	CBJ	3.01​

Sean Durzi Fight Card:

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Sean Durzi (D)

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Gavrikov Fight Card: (Hint: It's blank)

Vladislav Gavrikov Videos

Vladislav Gavrikov Videos

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[Lt Dan]

Hits per 60min TOI:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]PLAYER[/TD]
[TD]SEASON[/TD]
[TD]TEAM[/TD]
[TD]HITS/60[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alexander Edler[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

7.34​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jacob Moverare[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

6.01​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tobias Bjornfot[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

5.97​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mikey Anderson[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

5.75​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matt Roy[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

5.14​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sean Walker[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

4.55​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Drew Doughty[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

3.26​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sean Durzi[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

3.12​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vladislav Gavrikov[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]CBJ[/TD]

[TD]

3.01​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Sean Durzi Fight Card:

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Sean Durzi (D)

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Gavrikov Fight Card: (Hint: It's blank)

Vladislav Gavrikov Videos

Vladislav Gavrikov Videos

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Mind blown

 

[johnjm22]

There really isn't any big, physical, mean, tough Dmen out there anymore that are actually good at hockey.

At least I can't think of any.

 

[kings11]

Hits per 60min TOI:

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TD]PLAYER[/TD]
[TD]SEASON[/TD]
[TD]TEAM[/TD]
[TD]HITS/60[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alexander Edler[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

7.34​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Jacob Moverare[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

6.01​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tobias Bjornfot[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

5.97​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Mikey Anderson[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

5.75​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Matt Roy[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

5.14​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sean Walker[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

4.55​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Drew Doughty[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

3.26​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Sean Durzi[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]LAK[/TD]

[TD]

3.12​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Vladislav Gavrikov[/TD]

[TD]

20222023​

[/TD]

[TD]CBJ[/TD]

[TD]

3.01​

[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Sean Durzi Fight Card:

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Sean Durzi (D)

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Gavrikov Fight Card: (Hint: It's blank)

Vladislav Gavrikov Videos

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So what you’re really trying to say is that we should just play Jacob Moverare.

I agree