Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[Fishhead]

It's Friday morning so forgive me...when you say.....you....as in "Shot location - basically how far you are from the highest chance scoring areas in the slot and out between the dots. Shot distance - how far you are from the goal. Shot type - like open slapshots and wristers vs. contested backhands." Is that collective you the offensive shooter.......in relation to area, distance etc, or is that the defensive defender from those areas etc?

It's everyone on the ice, regardless of position. Similar to +\-, it's just whether you were out there or not.

So if Fiala is going down the wing and runs out of room, then flings it on net from the goal line, that's not considered a dangerous chance. If he beats his man and cuts to the slot wide open, it will be a dangerous chance and everyone on the ice will get credit for a dangerous chance for. Likewise, when the opposition does the same everyone gets credit for a dangerous chance against.

In a game there is too much variation, luck, etc. But over time it adds up. Taken with quality of competition, it's very descriptive. We all know Mikey Anderson is a solid defender. When he is on the ice, many more dangerous chances are created than allowed. That's great, but when you measure his QOC and realize he's constantly rolled out against the McJesus's of the league, it puts a number to just how effective he is.

Walker has been much better lately, but when he first returned he was just awful back there. He's a player with a low DFF% who leaks quality chances on the ice, and he was out there against 4th line competition as much as possible, he's got the lowest QOC on the team. It's not uncommon for guys returning from injury.

 

[Perratrooper]

There is an almost zeros percent chance of the AV’s moving Toews this year.

That team has been decimated by injuries, and even with them having a down year, I can’t see Sakic folding his hand already.

If they are just as bad or worse this time next year when healthy? Sure, Toews could absolutely be moved, but it is gonna take a hell of a lot more than Arvidsson to get it done, especially for a team who is going to be needing cost controlled youth to ease their cap situation.

I totally agree, but figured I would explore what other teams perceived value of Toews was.

 

[Trash Panda]

I totally agree, but figured I would explore what other teams perceived value of Toews was.

If he were available at the deadline this year?

Easily a 1st round pick and a very good-not-great prospect. He would instantly become the best defensemen available, and the bidding war would be obscene.

A team like Edmonton or Toronto would almost have to throw an overpayment out there to acquire him at that salary.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

But where does that leave Spence?

Durzi has been impressing me more and more lately defensively and normally I would be all about him. However it really comes down to asset management for me. Like you said he gets praise from opposing broadcasts which means he gets praise around the league. I think his value is high because of what you have said, and because LA is so deep on the Right side I would like to use Durzi to help the left side or solve our goaltending. If we did not have Clarke and Spence here I would not be so keen.
Now that Clarke is in the CHL it can wait till the offseason though, unless there is a good value deal out there.


I like him

Leaves Spence as a good trade chip to updgrade.....the truth is, we have an embarrassment of riches on at RD, Doughty, Roy, Durzi, Walker, Spence, Clarke, Grans....and only 3 spots....I don't see Walker being resigned, he's traded or let go etc, Clarke will eventually take over for Doughty, so Clarke, Durzi, Spence is a viable option in 4-5-6 years....problem is people are not that patient....

 

[Perratrooper]

If he were available at the deadline this year?

Easily a 1st round pick and a very good-not-great prospect. He would instantly become the best defensemen available, and the bidding war would be obscene.

A team like Edmonton or Toronto would almost have to throw an overpayment out there to acquire him at that salary.

Yeah that’s sort of what I figured the perceived value would be, but wasn’t sure if a team like LA who is building something special and in my opinion can afford to spend some assets to hasten the window for contention might also be interested. I think if the best offer is something like Holloway and a first the Avs are better off waiting till the off-season and seeing if healthy players can help them bounce back for a late playoff push this year.

Thanks for the input!

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

It’s the shooters location.

Got it....so then the next question is....how is Durzi/Walker/whomever you want to throw in there, responsible for the shooters location, just a random situation here, puck goes into the corner, Durzi goes to retreive, puck battle ensues, Kupari comes to help leaving his guy open, puck gets to Kupari's guy, Durzi recognizes it quicker goes to challenge, but shooter gets the shot off.....how does that calculate? See what I am saying, those stats by themselves to judge a player, are useless.....what they do is help you narrow the field, pro scouts, hey we need a good defensive LD, there's 32 x 3 96 LD in the NHL, another 96 in the AHL, let's narrow that down.....so we sort by DFF%(whatever it's called) and then you can go look at the situations etc, but it can't be used to say this guy is good or bad defensively

It's everyone on the ice, regardless of position. Similar to +\-, it's just whether you were out there or not.

So if Fiala is going down the wing and runs out of room, then flings it on net from the goal line, that's not considered a dangerous chance. If he beats his man and cuts to the slot wide open, it will be a dangerous chance and everyone on the ice will get credit for a dangerous chance for. Likewise, when the opposition does the same everyone gets credit for a dangerous chance against.

In a game there is too much variation, luck, etc. But over time it adds up. Taken with quality of competition, it's very descriptive. We all know Mikey Anderson is a solid defender. When he is on the ice, many more dangerous chances are created than allowed. That's great, but when you measure his QOC and realize he's constantly rolled out against the McJesus's of the league, it puts a number to just how effective he is.

Walker has been much better lately, but when he first returned he was just awful back there. He's a player with a low DFF% who leaks quality chances on the ice, and he was out there against 4th line competition as much as possible, he's got the lowest QOC on the team. It's not uncommon for guys returning from injury.

So then to be frank, I have as much use for that stat as I do for tits on a fence post.....it just doesn't factor into me thinking a player is good or not,

If a D can be covering his man, stifling his coverage and still be caught in a DFF% stat when he did nothing wrong etc, that is of no use, it doesn't tell me a dang thing about that Dman.

 

[YP44]

Leaves Spence as a good trade chip to updgrade.....the truth is, we have an embarrassment of riches on at RD, Doughty, Roy, Durzi, Walker, Spence, Clarke, Grans....and only 3 spots....I don't see Walker being resigned, he's traded or let go etc, Clarke will eventually take over for Doughty, so Clarke, Durzi, Spence is a viable option in 4-5-6 years....problem is people are not that patient....

Problem is waivers will not allow LA to be that patient either though.
I would rather use Durzi as that trade chip to upgrade than Spence. You are welcome to want it the other way around. Could come down to who the other team wants, but I really do not see how LA can keep both for the 23-24 season

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Problem is waivers will not allow LA to be that patient either though.
I would rather use Durzi as that trade chip to upgrade than Spence. You are welcome to want it the other way around. Could come down to who the other team wants, but I really do not see how LA can keep both for the 23-24 season

True enough, didn't really process waivers into that....I don't know if Spence is an upgrade over Durzi.....I think Durzi is probably the better player, Spence is probably the safer player.

 

[KingTech]

What sort of package would the Kings be willing to offer up for Toews and what players/prospects would be available in a potential trade? It would ideally a move that benefits the Avs long term while not hanging them out to dry in the short term.

I would entertain a Matt Roy with a small plus (longshot prospect) for Toews It helps to open a spot on the right side ( Durzi goes to the proper side ) kings defense after the trade looks like this
anderson drew
toews durzi
bojnfoot/edler walker

 

[LAKings88]

I do wonder if Spence will be trade fodder much like Faber.

My money is also on Clarke staying a year in the AHL/injury call up.

 

[Fishhead]

Leaves Spence as a good trade chip to updgrade.....the truth is, we have an embarrassment of riches on at RD, Doughty, Roy, Durzi, Walker, Spence, Clarke, Grans....and only 3 spots....I don't see Walker being resigned, he's traded or let go etc, Clarke will eventually take over for Doughty, so Clarke, Durzi, Spence is a viable option in 4-5-6 years....problem is people are not that patient....

Yeah that's ideal, but what do we do with Clarke until then? Doughty still has 4 years left, so who out of Clarke, Spence, Durzi is a regular scratch for the next 4 years? Grans doesn't have a shot here in my view. Unless they do something crazy like a huge package for a Werenski, there simply aren't spots on the right.

I see the long term picture but changes also need to be made for the present. One of Durzi/Clarke/Spence is going to have to go in addition to Roy, Walker, and Grans. That's unless one of them is used as a 7th, which I think is a poor use of asset value. One could also be used on the left, but that's far from ideal. I just don't see a path to keep all 3.

 

[funky]

Just my eye test, no stats to back but both Durzi and Walker are looking much better in the defensive end. I still believe Walker should be moved and I would love to see how Durzi would do on the right side with an Anderson type partner.

Up front I was very down in Byfield a few weeks ago but then he starts dogging pucks on the back check and starting to set up some good plays getting the third assist basically and you could see the game start to slow down for him. Then last game he was nails in both end. If we see that game consistently we will have something special sooner then later.

How much fun has Vilardi and Fiala been? They mesh and seem to find each other on the ice. I think when Byfield progresses he should get a chance between the two. That would be a super skilled line with three guys who can pass and shoot. Byfield’s defensive play has been improving in spades and would almost tact as a safety valve for Fiala.

Fun times ahead.

 

[Kudelski37]

I do wonder if Spence will be trade fodder much like Faber.

My money is also on Clarke staying a year in the AHL/injury call up.

Between him and Durzi, I think Durzi would make the most sense to trade. Spence is 2 years younger and cheaper by almost $1 million/year. As players, Spence is better defensively, better skater, and has a harder shot. I think Spence will end up outscoring Durzi over their careers too since he is just shy of being ppg in AHL. I see Spence as having a higher ceiling and floor, while the extra cap space will be needed next season.

 

[Lt Dan]

I do wonder if Spence will be trade fodder much like Faber.

My money is also on Clarke staying a year in the AHL/injury call up.

My hope it that they are showcasing Durzi and or Walker and that Spence will then step in like Voynov did in 2012 when JMFJ was traded. I think Spence has the most upside and brightest future of all three

 

[kinghock]

My hope it that they are showcasing Durzi and or Walker and that Spence will then step in like Voynov did in 2012 when JMFJ was traded. I think Spence has the most upside and brightest future of all three

LA Kings: Three LD options not named Chychrun or Provorov

Other than Jakob Chychrun, what other left-shot defensemen might be available to the LA Kings as the NHL Trade Deadline approaches?

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[Fishhead]

Between him and Durzi, I think Durzi would make the most sense to trade. Spence is 2 years younger and cheaper by almost $1 million/year. As players, Spence is better defensively, better skater, and has a harder shot. I think Spence will end up outscoring Durzi over their careers too since he is just shy of being ppg in AHL. I see Spence as having a higher ceiling and floor, while the extra cap space will be needed next season.

I feel this way as well, but there is always the chance that Spence won't be as good as Durzi offensively. Defensively he's visibly better, but with the way Durzi has been playing lately the gap isn't as big as it was.

The first reason I keep Spence over Durzi given the choice is that Spence is younger. The second is because Spence has excelled (and quickly) every time he moves up to a better league. Right out of Junior A into the CHL he made an impact and was consistent. Right out of the CHL into the AHL, immediate impact and was consistent. The NHL is a bigger jump, but his track record indicates he will probably translate quickly. When he played for that spell last year he was at a 27 point pace without terrible metrics. Even though he faced low competition that's pretty good for a rookie.

 

[YP44]

True enough, didn't really process waivers into that....I don't know if Spence is an upgrade over Durzi.....I think Durzi is probably the better player, Spence is probably the safer player.

Depends what you are looking for (offensive D vs 200 foot). I do think Spence has the higher ceiling, but both have similar floors. I think Durzi maybe the safer player was we already know what we have in him to some extent. Which is also why his league wide value could be higher.

 

[KingsFan7824]

My hope it that they are showcasing Durzi and or Walker and that Spence will then step in like Voynov did in 2012 when JMFJ was traded. I think Spence has the most upside and brightest future of all three

But that Kings team was desperate for forward help, because Gagne got hurt, and Penner couldn't score. I have no doubt that if Gagne didn't get hurt, and/or if Penner had been doing anything close to what he was brought in to do, DL is more than happy to go with a 7D that includes both Johnson and Voynov, because as we saw in both 2013 and 2014, the odds of your top 6D staying healthy in the playoffs are probably low.

The Kings are trying to win games and get a playoff spot, they're not a bottom feeder. There's no luxury for showcasing.

Trading Walker to open space for Spence is an offseason move, not a move you do when you're a playoff team at the deadline. If Walker was somehow included in a Chychrun trade, but that doesn't open a spot for Spence. Now you have to trade 2 defensemen, from what might be a division winning team, and that just doesn't happen. But the Kings winning the division never happens either.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Yeah that's ideal, but what do we do with Clarke until then? Doughty still has 4 years left, so who out of Clarke, Spence, Durzi is a regular scratch for the next 4 years? Grans doesn't have a shot here in my view. Unless they do something crazy like a huge package for a Werenski, there simply aren't spots on the right.

I see the long term picture but changes also need to be made for the present. One of Durzi/Clarke/Spence is going to have to go in addition to Roy, Walker, and Grans. That's unless one of them is used as a 7th, which I think is a poor use of asset value. One could also be used on the left, but that's far from ideal. I just don't see a path to keep all 3.

Let him get used to the Pro game.....let him make his bones in the AHL...there is nothing wrong with that, despite the mindless brigade of people who want shiny new things no matter how good or bad they are....

 

[johnjm22]

I agree that Walker and Durzi have both looked better lately. Hard to tell how much of it is because the team is playing better versus individual improvement.

Walker has always had upside. If you look at his career, he's a late bloomer who steadily gets better. His ES P/60 prior to the injury was impressive. The injury he suffered usually takes a year+ to fully recover from. Maybe he finally has?

With Durzi, he's still relatively young, and guys can get better defensively. I don't think a right shooter playing on the left side is that big of a deal. Maybe he's settled into it?

A guy like Gavrikov as 2nd LHD isn't really a needle mover if Durzi is playing relatively well there. You'd be giving up a 1st round pick for a Camry. I'd rather stand pat or spend the extra 1st round pick(s) to get a Corvette (Chychrun).

 

[YP44]

I do wonder if Spence will be trade fodder much like Faber.

My money is also on Clarke staying a year in the AHL/injury call up.

Faber was looking like was not going to sign in LA anyway. Different situation

 

[Trash Panda]

Purely offensive defensemen are easily the least valuable assets to true cup competing teams.

Durzi is the trade chip, by a long margin.

 

[YP44]

Purely offensive defensemen are easily the least valuable assets to true cup competing teams.

Durzi is the trade chip, by a long margin.

that's why his last few weeks of play has been more encouraging. He has not been a complete twat defensively.

 

[YP44]

Given how high most are on Spence, if Turcotte can stay healthy and turn into a middle 6 player, and Fagemo ends up making an impact the 2019 draft could be a big win for LA

 

[johnjm22]

18% retention would make his cap hit 9.4M

He's 32yo, and signed for 4 more seasons after this one.

Only way a deal could work is if Sharks take on a significant contract in return. No contender can take on 9.4M cap hit.