Speculation: LA Kings News, Rumors, Roster Thread 2022-23 Season

[Trash Panda]

Do we forget that Mitchell came here after a serious concussion at the age of 33? Or that Williams played in 53% of the games over a full 3 year period, which included his first full season here? Or that DL signed a known injury prone Gagne as an answer to a question in a contender year?

Granted, that's free agency, and in retrospect Williams didn't cost much, and apparently Chychrun would cost more, but Chychrun would also be younger than Williams when he got here by a couple years, and plays D instead of W.

Even Richards, there was a possible wrist issue he had that last year with the Flyers. DL also didn't even care that Richards played a type of game that his body wouldn't survive. Not like Richards ever looked 100% sturdy on the Kings.

Past results don't guarantee future something or other, but there's no perfect deal out there. Who knows what the real return will be for Chychrun. We go by various rumors, but with the lack of trades these days, the insider guys in the media have to justify their job somehow. No team is going to actually confirm what they say, so they can say whatever they want to get attention.

Difference being, all those players had shown spectacular 70-80 game seasons repeatedly before acquisition.

Chychrun not only hasn’t done that, but also doesn’t bring to the table what the D-corps really needs.

When you add in the astronomical asking price, it’s pretty easy to pass on him.

 

[King'sPawn]

Do we forget that Mitchell came here after a serious concussion at the age of 33? Or that Williams played in 53% of the games over a full 3 year period, which included his first full season here? Or that DL signed a known injury prone Gagne as an answer to a question in a contender year?

Granted, that's free agency, and in retrospect Williams didn't cost much, and apparently Chychrun would cost more, but Chychrun would also be younger than Williams when he got here by a couple years, and plays D instead of W.

Even Richards, there was a possible wrist issue he had that last year with the Flyers. DL also didn't even care that Richards played a type of game that his body wouldn't survive. Not like Richards ever looked 100% sturdy on the Kings.

Past results don't guarantee future something or other, but there's no perfect deal out there. Who knows what the real return will be for Chychrun. We go by various rumors, but with the lack of trades these days, the insider guys in the media have to justify their job somehow. No team is going to actually confirm what they say, so they can say whatever they want to get attention.

Mitchell had to wear a special helmet to mitigate future concussions. Williams had a series of one-time, unrelated injuries.

And the asking price for Chychrun is 2 1sts and a prospect. Richards, Williams, and Mitchell had a combined cost (in trade capital):
Schenn
Simmonds
Patrick O'Sullivan
2nd

 

[KingsFan7824]

Mitchell was signed for nothing. Williams was got for an obviously very broken Patrick O’Sullivan and a 2nd. That a far cry from the 3 firsts, two roster players and a no lube back door entry Arizona is asking for.

Difference being, all those players had shown spectacular 70-80 game seasons repeatedly before acquisition.

Chychrun not only hasn’t done that, but also doesn’t bring to the table what the D-corps really needs.

When you add in the astronomical asking price, it’s pretty easy to pass on him.

Assuming the price is what's been rumored. I doubt we really know. Yes, he hasn't been traded yet, but nobody has else has been either.

But like I said, there's always something. No perfect players are ever available. It's always the injured guys, or the old guys, or guys with too big of a contract, or the young guy that never did anything, or the UFA rental, or the problem child, or whatever the case may be. That's what's out there are the deadline. Over the summer, it's a different ballgame.

I don't think Blake will do much, if anything.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Mitchell had to wear a special helmet to mitigate future concussions. Williams had a series of one-time, unrelated injuries.

And the asking price for Chychrun is 2 1sts and a prospect. Richards, Williams, and Mitchell had a combined cost (in trade capital):
Schenn
Simmonds
Patrick O'Sullivan
2nd

We don't truly know what the price is for Chychrun, but he's younger than all those other guys were, and his hit is a less % of the cap than Williams or Richards when they were here. However, the cash still coming to Chychrun is more than the hit for the next 2 years. Just like Provorov.

I am neither pro nor anti Chychrun.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Difference being, all those players had shown spectacular 70-80 game seasons repeatedly before acquisition.

Chychrun not only hasn’t done that, but also doesn’t bring to the table what the D-corps really needs.

When you add in the astronomical asking price, it’s pretty easy to pass on him.

What you wrote sums it for me. He never played over 68 games and is averaging 55 over 6.5 seasons... thats probably what you can expect out of him going forward.. missing 1/3 of each season. His salary is good but the rumored ask is a joke - its fools gold.. there will be so many better options out there.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

What you wrote sums it for me. He never played over 68 games and is averaging 55 over 6.5 seasons... thats probably what you can expect out of him going forward.. missing 1/3 of each season. His salary is good but the rumored ask is a joke - its fools gold.. there will be so many better options out there.

Hard to fault him for the shortened seasons in 19-20 and 21-22. He played 90% of the games in 19-20 (74-game pace on an 82-game schedule) and 100% of the games in 20-21.

 

[AbsentMojo]

Hard to fault him for the shortened seasons in 19-20 and 21-22. He played 90% of the games in 19-20 (74-game pace on an 82-game schedule) and 100% of the games in 20-21.

Good point.. i forgot about that

 

[lumbergh]

Do we forget that Mitchell came here after a serious concussion at the age of 33? Or that Williams played in 53% of the games over a full 3 year period, which included his first full season here? Or that DL signed a known injury prone Gagne as an answer to a question in a contender year?

Granted, that's free agency, and in retrospect Williams didn't cost much, and apparently Chychrun would cost more, but Chychrun would also be younger than Williams when he got here by a couple years, and plays D instead of W.

Even Richards, there was a possible wrist issue he had that last year with the Flyers. DL also didn't even care that Richards played a type of game that his body wouldn't survive. Not like Richards ever looked 100% sturdy on the Kings.

Past results don't guarantee future something or other, but there's no perfect deal out there. Who knows what the real return will be for Chychrun. We go by various rumors, but with the lack of trades these days, the insider guys in the media have to justify their job somehow. No team is going to actually confirm what they say, so they can say whatever they want to get attention.

If there is anything in hockey that is random, it’s injuries. They happen frequently, and you never really know when the next one will happen and to whom.

 

[kingsfan28]

We don't truly know what the price is for Chychrun, but he's younger than all those other guys were, and his hit is a less % of the cap than Williams or Richards when they were here. However, the cash still coming to Chychrun is more than the hit for the next 2 years. Just like Provorov.

I am neither pro nor anti Chychrun.

I'm sort of the same way, leaning towards no. He just seems to be an injury magnet. Tonight he took a harmless dump in shot to the throat and had to leave. How can you justify giving up top assets and future big dollars for 55 games a year? Better options must be out there.

 

[KingsHockey24]

Antti Raanta to LA?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I'm sort of the same way, leaning towards no. He just seems to be an injury magnet. Tonight he took a harmless dump in shot to the throat and had to leave. How can you justify giving up top assets and future big dollars for 55 games a year? Better options must be out there.

Honestly this guy leaves like every f***ing game, it's uncanny> Someone up the page brought up 'injured' vs. 'hurt' and even aside from the injuries this guy constantly leaves the game even temporarily.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I'm sort of the same way, leaning towards no. He just seems to be an injury magnet. Tonight he took a harmless dump in shot to the throat and had to leave. How can you justify giving up top assets and future big dollars for 55 games a year? Better options must be out there.

Didn't see it, but just by the description, not sure you understand what harmless means.....or you missed the sarcasm button....

 

[AbsentMojo]

Antti Raanta to LA?

You passing on or starting a rumor? Edit: with Anderson back, and their KHL goalie having played well while he was out...this could be realistic as a rental - Raanta contract ends this season @ 2M

 

[Nasti]

Because it's not our business. He's injured and can't play. You won't see him on the ice until he's healthy.

Health privacy should still be respected.

Then why did the beans get spilled eventually? Why ever disclose even after the player returns?

 

[King'sPawn]

Then why did the beans get spilled eventually? Why ever disclose even after the player returns?

Maybe the player gave the okay to disclose it? Or maybe someone talked when they shouldn't?

I'm sure the teams have to follow HIPAA.

 

[Nasti]

Maybe the player gave the okay to disclose it? Or maybe someone talked when they shouldn't?

I'm sure the teams have to follow HIPAA.

This is the first time I’ve heard that it could be a HIPAA issue. Was there a law passed in recent years because this definitely wasn’t always a thing.

 

[crassbonanza]

Honestly this guy leaves like every f***ing game, it's uncanny> Someone up the page brought up 'injured' vs. 'hurt' and even aside from the injuries this guy constantly leaves the game even temporarily.

Well, despite apparently leaving every game, he still leads the Yotes in TOI/GP among regular defensemen. He would be second on the Kings in TOI/GP behind Doughty.

 

[crassbonanza]

What you wrote sums it for me. He never played over 68 games and is averaging 55 over 6.5 seasons... thats probably what you can expect out of him going forward.. missing 1/3 of each season. His salary is good but the rumored ask is a joke - its fools gold.. there will be so many better options out there.

The injury questions are fair, but I seriously doubt there will be many better options available. He is a fantastic defenseman and is playing great so far this season, ranking top 5 among regular NHL defensemen in 5v5 P/60, All strengths P/60, CF% Rel, and SF% Rel. He is absolutely a high end blue liner and acquiring a young defenseman who can play like him and is locked in on a contract like that is extremely rare. I can't remember the last time a player like him was traded.

 

[AbsentMojo]

The injury questions are fair, but I seriously doubt there will be many better options available. He is a fantastic defenseman and is playing great so far this season, ranking top 5 among regular NHL defensemen in 5v5 P/60, All strengths P/60, CF% Rel, and SF% Rel. He is absolutely a high end blue liner and acquiring a young defenseman who can play like him and is locked in on a contract like that is extremely rare. I can't remember the last time a player like him was traded.

I guess it all comes down to the ask.. everything is about value and you have to weigh it all out - the risk vs reward. The Kings have Spence, Durzi, Clarke - loaded with 2-way offensive RD. Id rather see the Kings get a Zadarov, Graves, Soucy type guy and pair him up with one of our young RD. If we did get Chychrun, Id like him paired w DD since DD is becoming more stay at home, then push Ando down to pair up w Durzi.. that would be nice. Still the Kings would need that heavy 3LD to replace Edler next year.

 

[SherVaughn30]

You passing on or starting a rumor? Edit: with Anderson back, and their KHL goalie having played well while he was out...this could be realistic as a rental - Raanta contract ends this season @ 2M

I think a 4th rounder would be sufficient for him and a better option than Quick right now.

 

[crassbonanza]

I guess it all comes down to the ask.. everything is about value and you have to weigh it all out - the risk vs reward. The Kings have Spence, Durzi, Clarke - loaded with 2-way offensive RD. Id rather see the Kings get a Zadarov, Graves, Soucy type guy and pair him up with one of our young RD. If we did get Chychrun, Id like him paired w DD since DD is becoming more stay at home, then push Ando down to pair up w Durzi.. that would be nice. Still the Kings would need that heavy 3LD to replace Edler next year.

It's just really hard to compare Durzi, Spence and Clarke to Chychrun right now. Sure they might get there, but he is so far ahead of all of them that I think he would be a fantastic pick up. I definitely do agree with you that I would like a bruiser for the middle pairs as well.

 

[AbsentMojo]

It's just really hard to compare Durzi, Spence and Clarke to Chychrun right now. Sure they might get there, but he is so far ahead of all of them that I think he would be a fantastic pick up. I definitely do agree with you that I would like a bruiser for the middle pairs as well.

So to make the cap work, which rostered player/players do u envision going to AZ?

 

[Fishhead]

Well, despite apparently leaving every game, he still leads the Yotes in TOI/GP among regular defensemen. He would be second on the Kings in TOI/GP behind Doughty.

Well, yeah when he plays he plays a lot. Still, he's played 362 minutes less than Mikey Anderson this year, and we are not far past the midway point.

The injury questions are fair, but I seriously doubt there will be many better options available. He is a fantastic defenseman and is playing great so far this season, ranking top 5 among regular NHL defensemen in 5v5 P/60, All strengths P/60, CF% Rel, and SF% Rel. He is absolutely a high end blue liner and acquiring a young defenseman who can play like him and is locked in on a contract like that is extremely rare. I can't remember the last time a player like him was traded.

It helps when you are getting cushy deployments. Last year he was 56th in D in p/60. Relative doesn't mean much when you have the defense Arizona does. He wasn't even the best D on his team last year, Gostisbehere was ahead of him in almost every single category. So far, he's had a fantastic 20-21 and a good 27-game streak this year. and this is his 7th year in the league. The rest of his seasons were just OK. He's never faced top competition in his entire career, he has always drawn lower-line assignments.

I don't think his contract is that out of line for what he brings. If Durzi was a bit better at defense, what is a fair contract for him? Durzi has a higher career .ppg, he's slightly better offensively than Chychrun overall and he's only been in the league 1.5 years. Durzi is unquestionably tougher and more physical.

He's a lot like we've seen Durzi over the last week or two. Great offense, solid defense, but nothing fantastic in his own end. He could absolutely help, but I don't think he's anywhere near worth the ask and he's not what this team really needs.

 

[Steve Zissou]

I mean, I know everyone knows this, but at least it really defines our crummy start to begin the season.

Also, when a goalie/s are playing bad or not stopping a goal that needs to be stopped at a certain time in the game, the players react/feed off that and alter their game because they don't trust the goaltender.

 

[crassbonanza]

So to make the cap work, which rostered player/players do u envision going to AZ?

Iafallo would be the piece I would likely move, the Kings have a glut of late 20's, early 30's middle pair forwards and I think we could move him to find room. I like Iafallo and have defended him quite often, but with Arrvy and Moore they have a bit of redundancy.