LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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The analytics absolutely love him fwiw but even they say he's gotta shoot more (so it probably matches the eye test relatively well from that standpoint)

Like I said earlier I'm willing to give him some time to air it out but we didn't pay 8.5m for Jordan Staal.

There is this stat on NST called IPP, and it's really useful for this sort of thing. Basically, it's the percentage of goals for a team while a specific player is on the ice and that player earned a point on. It's typically lower for defensemen because they are on the ice for a lot of goals that they don't gain points on. It gives you a good indication of who is driving a line. So let's say someone like Hertl who's on a struggling SJ team is on the ice for 8 scored goals all year. However, of those 8 goals scored he has points on 7 of them. That's a high IPP.

The average for forwards hovers around 68-70%. Over 80 is damn good. A good example of this is QB, he's right at 80. And you can see it on the ice, he's all over the place, he's driving that line. Kempe is at 67, and Kopitar is down at 59. You need some context of course, because Kopitar isn't a passenger by any means, but it's apparent that anyone who watches that line that QB is a monster right now. He literally can't be contained, he's coming out with pucks when outnumbered and is creating left and right. Moore is even higher at 82.3, he's driving play at a similar rate. PLD leads the team in this stat at 83.3, basically anything his lines generate goes through him.

The lowest forwards on the team are JAD (33.3) followed by Laf (36.4). The next lowest is Lewis with 55.6. Lewis is 36 and was never a scorer, so that's pretty respectable. You can see the rookies struggle with this, and it's not just bad luck. It's ice awareness, positioning, and familiarity.

Just another piece of the puzzle, but when you are involved in 80% of your line's goals you are doing something right. You wouldn't guess that kind of production came out of PLD, because he looks like one of the lumbering 12-14 roster players on a team full of high-paced skaters.
 
There is this stat on NST called IPP, and it's really useful for this sort of thing. Basically, it's the percentage of goals for a team while a specific player is on the ice and that player earned a point on. It's typically lower for defensemen because they are on the ice for a lot of goals that they don't gain points on. It gives you a good indication of who is driving a line. So let's say someone like Hertl who's on a struggling SJ team is on the ice for 8 scored goals all year. However, of those 8 goals scored he has points on 7 of them. That's a high IPP.

The average for forwards hovers around 68-70%. Over 80 is damn good. A good example of this is QB, he's right at 80. And you can see it on the ice, he's all over the place, he's driving that line. Kempe is at 67, and Kopitar is down at 59. You need some context of course, because Kopitar isn't a passenger by any means, but it's apparent that anyone who watches that line that QB is a monster right now. He literally can't be contained, he's coming out with pucks when outnumbered and is creating left and right. Moore is even higher at 82.3, he's driving play at a similar rate. PLD leads the team in this stat at 83.3, basically anything his lines generate goes through him.
Interesting stat. I think that makes sense given his pedigree. Which is excellent offense sub-par defense. I just dont think he's the answer at center esp during the playoffs since defensively he's very suspect and his FO% is bad. If Kings keep him at center, they need to bolster his line with responsible players.

 
Interesting stat. I think that makes sense given his pedigree. Which is excellent offense sub-par defense. I just dont think he's the answer at center esp during the playoffs since defensively he's very suspect and his FO% is bad. If Kings keep him at center, they need to bolster his line with responsible players.


I think he's average defensively, maybe a bit below. Everyone on the Jets has to be defensively responsible, although his line wasn't focusing on that. He didn't have to play defense in Columbus at all. I think he'll get better at that, but never will be the primary center out there when you need a stop. If he can get to 48% on the dot I'll be happy.
 
The thing with Laferriere is that he makes a lot of very low percentage plays look more exciting than they are dangerous.

He is definitely a long-term NHLer, but a trip down to Ontario to add some variety to his game would likely be very beneficial. He should be getting PP and PK time.
 
I think he's average defensively, maybe a bit below. Everyone on the Jets has to be defensively responsible, although his line wasn't focusing on that. He didn't have to play defense in Columbus at all. I think he'll get better at that, but never will be the primary center out there when you need a stop. If he can get to 48% on the dot I'll be happy.
I hear you. Ie maybe some time in this system and with Kopi/Danault as an example could improve his D and maybe FO%... just doesnt look like a plug and play top 6 center. He could be a solid power fwd winger playing with a 2 way center like Turcotte... thats what he looks like to me as most natural for his abilities.
 
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The thing with Laferriere is that he makes a lot of very low percentage plays look more exciting than they are dangerous.

He is definitely a long-term NHLer, but a trip down to Ontario to add some variety to his game would likely be very beneficial. He should be getting PP and PK time.
Ton of talk about PLD, but people are focusing on the wrong member of that line. Laferriere is not up to par on this team right now.

When Lizotte returns to the lineup, the Kings should send Laferriere down and let him work on his finish in Ontario for a month. Maybe bring up Fagemo and see if he can cut it on that Dubois-Fiala line.
 
The thing with Laferriere is that he makes a lot of very low percentage plays look more exciting than they are dangerous.

He is definitely a long-term NHLer, but a trip down to Ontario to add some variety to his game would likely be very beneficial. He should be getting PP and PK time.
I think your talking about he tends to carry the puck through the neutral zone vs dump it in.. but whats interesting is he rarely loses control of it.. i think its a unique talent that is going to pay dividends. I agree he doesnt have much else going for him at the moment. The only question i have is who do u slot in there (assuming Lizotte is back). Im not a big fan of JAD.
 
Kings are winning but 3rd and 4th lines need some work if they are going to compete in the playoffs.

PLD went from playing with Kyle Connor and Nik Ehlers to Carl Grunstrom and Alex Laferriere.

Also, a 4th line of Lewis-JAD-Kayilev isn't exactly a playoff 4th line. Swapping in Lizotte really doesn't add the grit or size needed to compete with Vegas, Vancouver, Edmonton, etc.
 
I think your talking about he tends to carry the puck through the neutral zone vs dump it in.. but whats interesting is he rarely loses control of it.. i think its a unique talent that is going to pay dividends. I agree he doesnt have much else going for him at the moment. The only question i have is who do u slot in there (assuming Lizotte is back). Im not a big fan of JAD.
Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Fiala - Danault - Moore
Dubois - Turcotte - Kaliyev
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Lewis
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Kings are winning but 3rd and 4th lines need some work if they are going to compete in the playoffs.

PLD went from playing with Kyle Connor and Nik Ehlers to Carl Grunstrom and Alex Laferriere.

Also, a 4th line of Lewis-JAD-Kayilev isn't exactly a playoff 4th line. Swapping in Lizotte really doesn't add the grit or size needed to compete with Vegas, Vancouver, Edmonton, etc.
Dubois played his way out of Fiala and Kaliyev and down to Grundstrom and Laferriere.
 
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I think your talking about he tends to carry the puck through the neutral zone vs dump it in.. but whats interesting is he rarely loses control of it.. i think its a unique talent that is going to pay dividends. I agree he doesnt have much else going for him at the moment. The only question i have is who do u slot in there (assuming Lizotte is back). Im not a big fan of JAD.
Its more of the solid attacking entries turning into blind backhand hope passes into the slot, or going behind the net and misdirection-ing it blindly into the slot that I am talking about. Lots of solid, impressive work turning into hope plays at the crucial moments.

Its just a matter of time and confidence with Laferriere. He has the goods, just needs experience to learn how to use them.
 
Byfield - Kopitar - Kempe
Fiala - Danault - Moore
Dubois - Turcotte - Kaliyev
Grundstrom - Lizotte - Lewis
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Yes i like that 3rd line.. may as well let Turcotte get some reps vs Laf because why not develop him at this level he's done enough time in the A. I just dont think it will happen because it impugns signing Dubois as a center... I could see them putting Turcotte at wing.
 
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f***ing bipolar board this is......

Team is gelling, team is winning, but our 20 year old rookie in Laf, isn't doing well.....send him down....

During off-season, many why don't we let the kids play.....

You guys literally can't figure it out yourselves....

As far as Laf goes, leave him, let him play, he's learning the pro game, and he's giving 125% percent, he's absolutely fine right now, why in the world would you mess with that?
 
f***ing bipolar board this is......

Team is gelling, team is winning, but our 20 year old rookie in Laf, isn't doing well.....send him down....

During off-season, many why don't we let the kids play.....

You guys literally can't figure it out yourselves....

As far as Laf goes, leave him, let him play, he's learning the pro game, and he's giving 125% percent, he's absolutely fine right now, why in the world would you mess with that?
This has been the argument though - give youth the opportunity, then if they struggle, dial back.

But FWIW, I'm not even advocating Laferriere down. I know others are, but I don't see him as struggling.

I still think the onus is on the $8.5 million player who hasn't been able to make it work with 4 different wingers, as opposed to a high-effort rookie.
 
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f***ing bipolar board this is......

Team is gelling, team is winning, but our 20 year old rookie in Laf, isn't doing well.....send him down....

During off-season, many why don't we let the kids play.....

You guys literally can't figure it out yourselves....

As far as Laf goes, leave him, let him play, he's learning the pro game, and he's giving 125% percent, he's absolutely fine right now, why in the world would you mess with that?
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With Turcotte having no more waiver exemption after this season, coupled with how well he has played, you’d think he would be the de-facto first call up.

Love what laffy has brought in his cup of coffee, but it’s high time he gets sent down to play at the sharp end of a competitive AHL team.

Let’s see what we really have in Turcotte at the NHL level before there is no choice but to play him or waive him.
 
King's rolling 4 lines. Near the top offensively while posting decent defensive numbers. Hanging with the top teams in the league. Getting harder & harder to find things to complain about.
 
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This has been the argument though - give youth the opportunity, then if they struggle, dial back.

But FWIW, I'm not even advocating Laferriere down. I know others are, but I don't see him as struggling.

I still think the onus is on the $8.5 million player who hasn't been able to make it work with 4 different wingers, as opposed to a high-effort rookie.

But he's not struggling, I agree with you, he's very clearly not struggling, so WTF knows what this board wants from him....

With Turcotte having no more waiver exemption after this season, coupled with how well he has played, you’d think he would be the de-facto first call up.

Love what laffy has brought in his cup of coffee, but it’s high time he gets sent down to play at the sharp end of a competitive AHL team.

Let’s see what we really have in Turcotte at the NHL level before there is no choice but to play him or waive him.

This argument, I could get behind, I think he should have been up to replace Lizotte for the injury.....they already know what they have in JAD
 
This has been the argument though - give youth the opportunity, then if they struggle, dial back.

But FWIW, I'm not even advocating Laferriere down. I know others are, but I don't see him as struggling.

I still think the onus is on the $8.5 million player who hasn't been able to make it work with 4 different wingers, as opposed to a high-effort rookie.
Laferriere isn't struggling. You send him down to learn how to play in more important situations, then right back up when he has broken through the plateau.

Guessing somebody I can't see asked why someone who wanted a full rebuild would also want to send kids down. Its all part of the process, instilling competition-fueled growth in natural stages, as well as a sense of camaraderie. Growth is rarely linear. We were upset not that the Kings weren't giving roster spots to kids, the point is to begin that process by seeing what strengths can be counted on and where the weaknesses can be improved. That happens whether you break in at 19 or 24, so if your organization is relying on kids to carry the ball it just isn't good business to wait.

In Laferriere's case, he is getting good but small minutes and isn't hurting the team. The next step is to see what he may need to work on in order to add 5 or 6 minutes a night. He won't get special teams or clutch reps here.
 
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Yes i like that 3rd line.. may as well let Turcotte get some reps vs Laf because why not develop him at this level he's done enough time in the A. I just dont think it will happen because it impugns signing Dubois as a center... I could see them putting Turcotte at wing.
PLD has played a good portion of his career on the wing, its most likely the next step in trying to get him going.

One thing about him that is absolutely clear - Dubois is NOT a self-starter.
 
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Laferriere isn't struggling. You send him down to learn how to play in more important situations, then right back up when he has broken through the plateau.

Guessing somebody I can't see asked why someone who wanted a full rebuild would also want to send kids down. Its all part of the process, instilling competition-fueled growth in natural stages, as well as a sense of camaraderie. Growth is rarely linear. We were upset not that the Kings weren't giving roster spots to kids, the point is to begin that process by seeing what strengths can be counted on and where the weaknesses can be improved. That happens whether you break in at 19 or 24, so if your organization is relying on kids to carry the ball it just isn't good business to wait.

In Laferriere's case, he is getting good but small minutes and isn't hurting the team. The next step is to see what he may need to work on in order to add 5 or 6 minutes a night. He won't get special teams or clutch reps here.
It wasn't you specifically. It was a question of why do people want to send Laferriere down when earlier we were calling to let the kids play.

I explained, at least from my perspective, that I don't think a demotion to the AHL is appropriate for Laferriere.

I understand the argument as far as giving him opportunity to work on things, even if I don't agree entirely with that route.

But he's not struggling, I agree with you, he's very clearly not struggling, so WTF knows what this board wants from him....
People have put forth good arguments; bland outlined his reasons. I just think experience will help him learn with his decision-making. I don't think he needs to go to the AHL to work on the things he's missing. At least not at this juncture.
 
I can see what the Kings are doing.

They want Turcotte to play one FULL AHL season before deciding what do to with him.

The issue is Fagemo is if they call him up and then send him he has to clear waivers again.

They love kicking problems down the road...

Next summer Lizotte is a RFA. That is a perfect spot for Turcotte, not the wing - they can't convert every center they draft to the wing (Vilardi, Byfield....). Same with Helenius - eventually he is pegged as the 4th line center. Where does he slot? I guess they can move him to wing.

Same with Clarke...Where does he slot next year? I guess they let Roy walk.
 
We're Number 2! We're Number 2!

In both GF/g and GA/g. Only by mere percentage points. A good showing against Montreal and the Kings could easily lead the league in both categories. When has that ever happened, let alone a quarter of the way into the season?
 
We're Number 2! We're Number 2!

In both GF/g and GA/g. Only by mere percentage points. A good showing against Montreal and the Kings could easily lead the league in both categories. When has that ever happened, let alone a quarter of the way into the season?
They were 1st in both categories before today. Allowing 3 to Columbus and Vancouver scoring 5 barely pushed the Kings to 2nd. That their GA/g is still so low despite Copley playing the way he has is very impressive.
 

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