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KingPuckChoo said:
The likelihood of Toffoli ending up in LA is high, given that Toffoli's agent is Pat Brisson. Given how Blake owes many favors to Pat, if Toffoli wants to be in LA, he'll be in LA come trade deadline.
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Id say Brisson owes Blake after getting him to trade/sign PLD.. talk about a org cratering and job ending decision
 
AbsentMojo said:
Id say Brisson owes Blake after getting him to trade/sign PLD.. talk about a org cratering and job ending decision
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Don't forget that Kopitar, another recipient of another honey deal is also a Brisson client.

Posted this in another thread, but Brisson's five Kings clients earn over $150 million. The only team that has more players with his representation are the Ducks. Makes sense given his region. He has eight clients there, but for only just over $80 million. The Kings are his biggest source of player revenue.

Brisson has been buddies with Robitaille since at least 1985 when those two had a summer clinic with Steve Duchesne at my local rink in Ontario. Luc gets his buddy a lot of money.
 
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Herby said:
Well I threw a party when the Kings won the Stanley Cup, but to each his own.

Just pointing out that there are some fans (you are not alone) who don't have the patience to go through a proper rebuild that has a chance to produce a championship, and instead would rather be the turn of the century Kings and lose 80% of your playoff series but at least be able to say "Hey, we made it"
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Newsflash: 'some fans', just like all fans, have ZERO say in the rebuild path an organization decides to take. So whether or not an individual has patience has no impact either way.

I understand, unlike some fans, why a professional sports organization (which is a BUSINESS) would choose not to tear down entirely and build from the ground up.

(Hasn't Buffalo been doing that exact thing you speak of for like the last 15 years with ZERO success?)
 
tigermask48 said:
And that $150 million will be even higher soon as Byfield is also a Brisson client if memory serves me.
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Fortunately, QB isn’t a client of Brisson. He was with McDavid’s agent until that guy took a job with Edmonton.

edmontonjournal.com

It's taken some time, but Kings' Byfield enjoying a breakout year

The LA Kings have been patient with Byfield, and now it's paying off as former No.2 overall pick is having a big season
edmontonjournal.com edmontonjournal.com

It sucks that he’s (Jackson) not my agent anymore. I’ve known him forever. He was my agent starting in minor midget. I think I was 14. But I wish him well,” said Byfield, who now has Dave Gagner as his agent.
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Good news is, King's only have a 1,4,6,7 pick this year. They might as well double down & go for the playoffs!!!!

Either take a big swing with the first or find a team that can fill multiple holes. Like a Seeler Hathaway combo!

This is going to be an entertaining last couple of months of the season. Buckle up!
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
Newsflash: 'some fans', just like all fans, have ZERO say in the rebuild path an organization decides to take. So whether or not an individual has patience has no impact either way.

I understand, unlike some fans, why a professional sports organization (which is a BUSINESS) would choose not to tear down entirely and build from the ground up.

(Hasn't Buffalo been doing that exact thing you speak of for like the last 15 years with ZERO success?)
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Yes and No, Buffalo is unique in that their Owner overruled a lot of managements decisions.
The Kings in Blakes first few years thought they could extent a non existing cup window and after a few years realized they needed to tear it down. No problem there really!
Blake signs Danault and traded for Arvy to help speed up the rebuild and mentor the expected inflow of kids… No problem there!
BLuc thought for whatever reason that two tail end of their career players, HoF’s aside, could lead this team to a cup? Big Problem
BLuc cut bait on the rebuild and shipped off a Norris caliber Dman, A injury prone but dynamic Winger/Center, a Jack of all trades winger(who should have been traded at peak value), a Stout defensive player in a cheap contract that could give the same Lewis has, an injured Dman who’ll now likely go for a 1st, retained salary and multiple picks.. plus Durzi who I thought could have fetched a 1st and what do you know..

So I truly get your point and it’s pretty f***en valid.. The real problem here lies with a management team that never truly had the experience to run any org and have made one comical mistake after another.. just MHO so no ones give a shit but this team needs to clean house and if Doughty continues to whine after dogging it for all those years then he can get his ass shipped out as well
 
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bland said:
Don't forget that Kopitar, another recipient of another honey deal is also a Brisson client.

Posted this in another thread, but Brisson's five Kings clients earn over $150 million. The only team that has more players with his representation are the Ducks. Makes sense given his region. He has eight clients there, but for only just over $80 million. The Kings are his biggest source of player revenue.

Brisson has been buddies with Robitaille since at least 1985 when those two had a summer clinic with Steve Duchesne at my local rink in Ontario. Luc gets his buddy a lot of money.
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Seems to me Blake has been owned by this guy.. maybe its just through Luc. The way this org is run is weird - im sure if you pulled the scab off this thing a lot of pus comes out. Some posted proof that even the 1-3-1 was passed to Todd from above... so who is really calling the shots? Is Brisson managing the entire team from his home in Newport?
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Any deal that is to be made, HAS to be a hockey deal....if you are gonna deal a "rental" ala Gavrikov, you have to have some plan in place to resign.....

Dealing a 1st for Tarasenko is just idiotic.....for this team, another team ala Vegas, might not be etc, but this team can't do that,



Here's my problem with it. And If I am wrong in my assumption let me know, but you want to be high lottery pick team...for 3-4 years, let's assume starting with the Byfield pick right, then keep doing that, but you ALSO bitch and moan to high heaven that LA can't develop correctly, (again, you being general) so...if the Kings absolutely suck balls at developing, why in the world would you want them to lose to get high picks, if they can't develop them.

That's what I am reading from "collective" you, in that regards, you have no faith in Kings developing players, but you want them to lose, to collect high end talent, that you have no faith they will develop....
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The answer is that you have a better chance of drafting a talent that doesn't need as much development, i.e. the high skill of the player can override the Kings shortcomings in developing players outside of RHDs and 4th round or lower picks.
 
bland said:
Don't forget that Kopitar, another recipient of another honey deal is also a Brisson client.

Posted this in another thread, but Brisson's five Kings clients earn over $150 million. The only team that has more players with his representation are the Ducks. Makes sense given his region. He has eight clients there, but for only just over $80 million. The Kings are his biggest source of player revenue.

Brisson has been buddies with Robitaille since at least 1985 when those two had a summer clinic with Steve Duchesne at my local rink in Ontario. Luc gets his buddy a lot of money.
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You are local to that old barn? Is it still standing? Holy christ I remember that as the coldest rink ever having to play in as a kid, 6am Sunday morning games....coming from San Fernando Valley that was fun....
 
BigKing said:
The answer is that you have a better chance of drafting a talent that doesn't need as much development, i.e. the high skill of the player can override the Kings shortcomings in developing players outside of RHDs and 4th round or lower picks.
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Do you though? I mean in theory yes, but on this board, up until this year everyone thought Byfield's development was f***ed.....
 
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Axl Rhoadz said:
What was the record in 18-19 after 55 games?

Going to assume the answer to your question is no.
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It's the worst season since 20-21 but at least there were no season seats to pay for that season and we were all so excited about the future. We also at least got to watch Big Mac and then Lemieux came over and KO'd Manson so we had a litle more fun in that regard.

Now the future looks bleak and the excitement about all of the prospects in the organization during that season is lost except for Byfield.

GoldenBearHockey said:
Do you though? I mean in theory yes, but on this board, up until this year everyone thought Byfield's development was f***ed.....
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Well, the #2OA that was talked about having the highest upside in the entire draft--and barely made the birthday cutoff to make the draft that year--has proven that his talent was undeniable and couldn't be ruined.
 
kings11 said:
Yes and No, Buffalo is unique in that their Owner overruled a lot of managements decisions.
The Kings in Blakes first few years thought they could extent a non existing cup window and after a few years realized they needed to tear it down. No problem there really!
Blake signs Danault and traded for Arvy to help speed up the rebuild and mentor the expected inflow of kids… No problem there!
BLuc thought for whatever reason that two tail end of their career players, HoF’s aside, could lead this team to a cup? Big Problem
BLuc turn bait in the rebuild and shipped off a Norris caliber Dman, A injury prone but dynamic Winger/Center, a Jack of all trades winger(who should have been traded at peak value), a Stout defensive player in a cheap contract that could give the same Lewis has, an injured Dman who’ll now likely go for a 1st, retained salary and multiple picks.. plus Durzi how I thought could have fetched a 1st and what do you know..

So I truly get your point and it’s pretty f***en valid.. The really problem here lies with a management team that never truly had the experience to run any org and have made one comical mistake after another.. just MHO so no ones give a shit but this team needs to clear house and if Doughty continues to whine after dogging it for the years then he can get his ass shipped out as well
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I just chuckle at the moronic argument that this management team would somehow Buffalo a rebuild, but is also capable of building a contender.

Its just contrarian nonsense.
 
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BigKing said:
It's the worst season since 20-21 but at least there were no season seats to pay for that season and we were all so excited about the future. We also at least got to watch Big Mac and then Lemieux came over and KO'd Manson so we had a litle more fun in that regard.

Now the future looks bleak and the excitement about all of the prospects in the organization during that season is lost except for Byfield.


Well, the #2OA that was talked about having the highest upside in the entire draft--and barely made the birthday cutoff to make the draft that year--has proven that his talent was undeniable and couldn't be ruined.
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Or.....and this is thinking outside the box....so forgive me, they actually KNEW what the f*** they were doing....I mean...f*** couldn't be that....
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Or.....and this is thinking outside the box....so forgive me, they actually KNEW what the f*** they were doing....I mean...f*** couldn't be that....
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Sure. But the argument for drafting Top 5--the higher the better--is a better chance at a supposed "can't miss".

Again, I am not a full on "Kings don't know how to develop" since I feel a lot of it is on the player. I lean more into bad draft pick than always giving the player the benefit of the doubt. I'm just saying why you would want the highest draft pick possible if you believe the Kings are horrible at development: it's because you have a better chance of picking someone that just starts in the NHL right away and is off to the races, or plays one year of NCAA etc.

That said, Blake's best draft picks based on results and where they were drafted are Anderson and Faber. The former got a small taste of the AHL but he put in two NCAA seasons before that and Faber put in three of his own. Laferierre with two years in the NCAA, four games in Ontario and then a full-time NHL player. Lizotte two years in the NCAA and then a full-time NHL player.

Turcotte only one year. We've seen the results.

Maybe Blake should just draft NCAA guys after Round 1 and let them stay in college for however long they want. That seems to be his best development system.
 
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Telos said:
I'd be floored if someone gave up a 1st for Walker, but crazier things have happened. I would absolutely give up Roy for a 1st; however, I don't think it is possible for Blake to do so with the noose around his neck.
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I honestly would not be. He’s been pretty solid this year in Philly. Apparently there is quite a drop off after the first 15-20 picks in the upcoming draft so this years firsts for contenders will definitely be in play.

Sounds like some teams are inquiring about Walker and Seeler as a package deal.
 
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