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LA KINGS 2023/4 Regular season discussion

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SaltyElkHunter said:
He has a boo boo. Out until we have circumvented cap and Blake can trade our 1st rounder only to misdiagnose his injury to the point it had to be amputated.

Just saved you 3 weeks timeline
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Kempe will be back by game 1 of the playoffs. He wont be fully healed and he will leave game 2 injured and wont return the rest of the series. It will take longer to heal this time and then he will get surgery in the offseason. He will take some months into next season before fully back to form.
This is the Kings way.
 
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Schmooley said:
Kempe will be back by game 1 of the playoffs. He wont be fully healed and he will leave game 2 injured and wont return the rest of the series. It will take longer to heal this time and then he will get surgery in the offseason. He will take some months into next season before fully back to form.
This is the Kings way.
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If he is out that long with Anderson as well we miss playoffs
 
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Herby said:
So why are teams rebuilding all the time? You say AEG doesn't want to rebuild, yet they ok'ed a tear-down rebuild 18 years ago, which brought the team it's most successful era ever. Why would they be so against trying the same thing now? Why have som many other teams gone through tear-down rebuilds before if it's such a disaster business idea?

Businesses take losses in the short-term to gain in the long-term all the time, you act like it's unheard of.

You and GBH love to cite Buffalo as an example, but we can give you multiple examples of places it's resulted in great success. Nobody is saying it's a guarantee to winning a Stanley Cup, just that it's a much more proven path than what the Kings are doing, which hasn't worked in a capped NHL.


1. The higher you draft the more likely the player is to be plug and play and less likely to be damaged or slowed by poor choices regarding the AHL affiliate.

2. The worse the team is the more opportunity and freedom the player has to grow into a key role. One of the big problems with QB was that he wasn't good at playing C and since the team is foolishly trying to contend he was not given the freedom to improve at that position because it was going to cost the team in the standings. So they moved him to wing where his God-given talents helped the team in the immediate, but lessened his chances of developing into an elite C. Kopitar and Doughty were not brought into environments where the team was expected to contend, and they were allowed to grow and get better without fear of mistakes costing the team playoff seeding. It's easier to develop players in that environment than the environment the Kings have attempted the last 3 years.
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Why are you asking me, go ask AEG.
 
Herby said:
So why are teams rebuilding all the time? You say AEG doesn't want to rebuild, yet they ok'ed a tear-down rebuild 18 years ago, which brought the team it's most successful era ever. Why would they be so against trying the same thing now? Why have som many other teams gone through tear-down rebuilds before if it's such a disaster business idea?

Businesses take losses in the short-term to gain in the long-term all the time, you act like it's unheard of.

You and GBH love to cite Buffalo as an example, but we can give you multiple examples of places it's resulted in great success. Nobody is saying it's a guarantee to winning a Stanley Cup, just that it's a much more proven path than what the Kings are doing, which hasn't worked in a capped NHL.
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People don't give AEG enough credit IMO.

Posters around here always say "AEG won't let them rebuild!" That seems like purely made up fiction to me. None of us really know what AEG is thinking, but they've shown in the past they're willing to take a long term approach.

Even during the pandemic when AEG's business was presumably getting killed (they do live events and entertainment) they still showed a willingness to spend on the Kings.
 
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BigKing said:
They were fine until COVID smashed their gate receipts worldwide. Time for that playoff revenue.
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Look at the post right before yours of the Kings being 3rd in the league in revenue. Other teams that don't own the buildings they play in were hurt significantly worse than the Kings.
COVID wasn't the reason the rebuild was abandoned.
 
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tigermask48 said:
Look at the post right before yours of the Kings being 3rd in the league in revenue. Other teams that don't own the buildings they play in were hurt significantly worse than the Kings.
COVID wasn't the reason the rebuild was abandoned.
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I'm not saying it is the only reason but I will counter the 3rd in league revenue tidbit with:
  1. It's revenue and not profits
  2. AEG owns a lot more than just the Kings and Staples/Crypto when we are talking COVID impacts.
But yes, Blake was still trying to win while 11 & 8 were better-than-just-good players so he had a short window. It's not the tiny window that DL had with the one-and-done Lucic season but it is the same thinking: all-in.
 
GameNight said:
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If we can revenue down to Panthers level, we could maybe get AEG to commit to a proper rebuild!

Until then, not a chance.
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I believe that revenue figure is for team ownership, not the hockey team alone. According to this, adjusted revenue for the actual team(aka operating income) is $108M.


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I’m skeptical about these numbers in general, not specific to just the Kings. One, last sale of note was the Pens to Fenway. And I think that was only really $350M to Lemiuex for his stake. I know Ottawa went for a lot, but that was due to the owner dying and the team being put into a league controlled auction.

So, a couple years ago, there were rumors AEG was putting everything in DTLA up for sale. They didn’t their price, plus no NFL property and Tim L walked, so it’s not clear where things sit today as far as valuations.

Bottom line is there aren’t any real billionaires in LA who will buy the Kings, et. al. at Forbes made up numbers.
 
Schmooley said:
Kempe will be back by game 1 of the playoffs. He wont be fully healed and he will leave game 2 injured and wont return the rest of the series. It will take longer to heal this time and then he will get surgery in the offseason. He will take some months into next season before fully back to form.
This is the Kings way.
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Darren Dreger

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Forgot to mention this earlier. Kempe is listed week to week. He’s expected to return at some point in March with the other injured Kings players. So, GM Rob Blake won’t have cap relief to work with leading up to the Trade Deadline.
 
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Bars on the left = 2023.
Bars on the right = 2014.

Value in 2014= 580 M
Value in 2023= 2 B

Revenue in 2014= 146 M
Revenue in 2023= 279 M
Revenue includes all arena revenues. The Kings actual gate for 2023 is 86 M. This excludes expansions revenue.

Operating income in 2014 = 21.4 M
Operating income in 2023 = 108 M

Player Expenses- Note how level the graph is, dips can be directed to Covid. Capfriendly will tell you this by season. This is probably by year. Also, true NHL player salaries are tied to HRR.

Why the big increase in revenue? Forum Blue & Gold retro jerseys? Black & Silver retro jerseys? Digital advertising on the boards for tv? Expansion revenue? ESPN? The new Bally's deal? Lol.
 
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