Kyle Dubas will not be back as GM

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Bad move by Shanahan. Dubas was actually an excellent GM. He is not the problem, the players were.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

I hope they're going for Chiarelli or Millbury

Millbury will be a shoe-in if he applies.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Kyle ‘Judas’ Dubas

 

[Canucks LB]

We know his side, he wasn't committed 100% to the team, he was unsure if he wanted to return. He said it was a family decision. He asked for more money. He asked for Shanahans job basically.

Are you that gullible honestly?
This is completely Shanahans story.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Bad move by Shanahan. Dubas was actually an excellent GM. He is not the problem, the players were.

Sounds like Dubas built a team with bad players.

Hopefully the Leafs sign Bergevin as their new GM. Therrien could be their new coach too.

Bergevin could build a more successful playoff team than Dubas. He did more, with less in Montreal.

 

[Kimota]

Shanahan is pathetic. Dubas literally had to almost want out before Shanahan made a move? II wasn't for the multiple choke year after year after year? He's like the bad parent who let his kid have behavior over and over and over with no punishment. Feels like he has been a bad guide for the Leafs organization. He should have been canned as well.

 

[AvroArrow]

Are you that gullible honestly?
This is completely Shanahans story.

No that's what Dubas said in his presser and that's what all reports that came out have said.

 

[WarriorofTime]

you can just say the sandin trade was bad.

don't say it was mortgaging the future to trade for a future 1st rounder, that's illogical

You took an entire post full of mortgaging of the figure and laser’d in on exactly one instead of focusing on the bigger picture. Now that’s what I call illogical.

 

[hamzarocks]

You can consider him trading away his 2018 first round pick. All he has to show for his drafts from 2017 to now is basically Lilijgren. While you have GMs coming away with the jason Robertson's, Wyatt Johnston's, Matt Boldy, Seth Jarvis, Dawson Mercer's etc etc.

Lilijgren was a hunter pick

If dubas had ran 2017 maybe we take a better player in the 2nd

Hunter did f*** up his 2nd round picks in dermott, korshkov, grundstrom (decent grinder) and rasanen

Dubas is a better drafted though still not great

 

[WetcoastOrca]

We know his results. Don’t need to know his excuses.

Same for Shanahan and he’s been there longer.

 

[hamzarocks]

Sounds like Dubas built a team with bad players.


Bergevin could build a more successful playoff team than Dubas. He did more, with less in Montreal.

Bargain bin only had less b/c he wasn't good at retaining/eying top talen

Radulov 70-75 pt winger let go for nothing
Drouin for Sergachev whose now a top 20D in the league
Not upgrading on David Deharnais for like 4 years of Price prime (despite there being UFAs/trades available)

 

[TheGoldenJet]

So multiple insiders have pretty much said Pittsburgh is going to give him a blank check and full control if he wants the job

Pittsburgh is a non-playoff team who is about a year away from completely tanking.

Dubas would be a decent hire for them. So would Jack the baboon.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Bargain bin only had less b/c he wasn't good at retaining/eying top talen

Radulov 70-75 pt winger let go for nothing
Drouin for Sergachev whose now a top 20D in the league
Not upgrading on David Deharnais for like 4 years of Price prime (despite there being UFAs/trades available)

He only had one franchise player and the team went on 2 legit runs with a team built around price.

Dubas had no clue how to surround Matthews and Marner.

I'm not saying Bergevin was good, but spectacle boy was 100% worse.

 

[thekernel]

Are you out of your mind?

His incompetence with managing the salary cap is a major issue. I would be infuriated if a team I rooted for hired this idiot to "manage their cap."

That's like hiring Stan Bowman to "manage your HR department."

Again, an emotional place in this sphere. There aren't many GMs that could orchestrate what he did in terms of managing recalls and paper transactions, or the salary retentions that let him acquire deadline pieces. It's too easy see the 11m hits and go "cap man bad", but you really ought to learn to think a little deeper than the front page of capfriendly.com

 

[SantosHalper]

Sounds like Shanny wants experience, so im gonna say that the next Leafs GM is Jeff Gorton.

He's got experience and has worked in big hockey markets before.

 

[thekernel]

Bergevin could build a more successful playoff team than Dubas. He did more, with less in Montreal.

Oooh, I never miss an opportunity to dunk on Bergevin. That guy did so much long-term damage to Montreal. Having a generational goaltending piece and bungling it as hard as he did would be unforgivable to any other fanbase. But Habs fans are ride-or-die, so they see the recent Cinderella run as a feather in his cap, rather than the non-competitive slaughter against Tampa that it actually was.

Saying he "did more with less" is funny, because he created the "less", and then didn't do anything to address it. His drafting constantly put the team behind the rest of the league. His inability to field any semblance of high skill made him an absolute laughingstock. And his strategy of trading downward left the team in shambles

 

[BaconNater]

Why did Shanahan keep saying his office at Ford Performance center

 

[nturn06]

Are you that gullible honestly?
This is completely Shanahans story.

You do realise that he is paraphrasing Dubas end of the season presser, don't you?

Or maybe Shanahan forced Dubas o say that?

 

[FerrisRox]

Again, an emotional place in this sphere. There aren't many GMs that could orchestrate what he did in terms of managing recalls and paper transactions, or the salary retentions that let him acquire deadline pieces. It's too easy see the 11m hits and go "cap man bad", but you really ought to learn to think a little deeper than the front page of capfriendly.com

First of all, I am not emotional about this at all, but I doI live in Toronto and I am acutely aware of the all of the hoops the team jumped through to remain cap compliant. I just don't find it terribly impressive nor do I think it was beneficial, at all, to the team and it wouldn't have even been a skill for him to develop had he not bent over during negotiations with his core.

It's kind of like complimenting someone for the great job they did fixing up their house after the explosion without also pointing out that they blew up their house.

 

[Canucks LB]

No that's what Dubas said in his presser and that's what all reports that came out have said.

Go listen to the press conference by Kyle again, the only thing he mentioned, that was of value was family.

Everything else has been completely spun towards Shanahan’s recent conference

 

[AvroArrow]

Go listen to the press conference by Kyle again, the only thing he mentioned, that was of value was family.

Everything else has been completely spun towards Shanahan’s recent conference

I mean Dubas said he was unsure if he wants to continue with his position and cited his family as the reason why. Then asked for a raise when renegotiating and for more power.

It's pretty obvious what the motivating factors were for him.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Oooh, I never miss an opportunity to dunk on Bergevin. That guy did so much long-term damage to Montreal. Having a generational goaltending piece and bungling it as hard as he did would be unforgivable to any other fanbase. But Habs fans are ride-or-die, so they see the recent Cinderella run as a feather in his cap, rather than the non-competitive slaughter against Tampa that it actually was.

Saying he "did more with less" is funny, because he created the "less", and then didn't do anything to address it. His drafting constantly put the team behind the rest of the league. His inability to field any semblance of high skill made him an absolute laughingstock. And his strategy of trading downward left the team in shambles

Were really arguing which GM was worse? I'm glad that Bergevin is gone. Are you stockholm syndrome leaf fans glad the guy with one series win after a decade is gone? Or are you going to miss how he managed the cap so wonderfully while your team was the laughing stock of the league every single year?

 

[AvroArrow]

Why did Shanahan keep saying his office at Ford Performance center

Because Dubas never once approached Shanahan face to face, Shanny tried to, Dubas said no deal with my agent. So Shanny is basically making a point, that he went to his office at Ford Performance center, whereas Dubas dodged him the entire time and wouldn't have a conversation face to face.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Are you that gullible honestly?
This is completely Shanahans story.

Gullible why is Avro gullible, he was summarized what Dubas said. Dubas screwed up here, if he really wanted to keep the job.

 

[nturn06]

Leaks

Signing an MVP top goal scorer for 11 mil is reasonable.
Signing a Selke finalist 90+ for 9-11 mil is reasonable.
Signing a 60-80 point forward for 6-8 mil is reasonable.
He got teams to eat salary on trades, he did an excellent job with their bottom 6; I wish we had TO's bottom 6 instead of the plugs we have now.
We managed cap gymnastics when everyone was going "Oh no! Cap hell!" that let the Leafs keep dressing a comp line-up throughout the year.
On top of that, he's had the Leafs over 100 points the past while too.

Dubas is very good. He's in touch with today's game and he'd be a great asset to any team.
I'd love him in Ottawa, we'd get rid of the bottom 6 and add some much-needed skill and speed.
And he'll be in demand, whether you like the Leafs or not (and I certainly do not...). For me to posit otherwise would be provincialist bumpkinism of the worst kind.

Correct me if I am wrong, but comparing the core he took over to today's core, he basically managed to trade Kadri, Kapanen, Johnson and 5 first rounders and a large amount of cap space for JT and McCabe. All that while not having any playoffs success.

All I can say is Yikes.