Kyle Dubas will not be back as GM

[WarriorofTime]

This years trade deadline is more indicative of what you’re getting

What? Trading away:

1st-round pick in 2023
OTT 3rd-round pick in 2023
3rd-round pick in 2023
2nd-round pick in 2024
1st-round pick in 2025
2nd-round pick in 2026
Rasmus Sandin (23 years old, 2 years at $1.4 million per, Restricted Free Agent upon expiration)

to get whooped in the 2nd round?

If mortgaging the future to lose anyways is what you're getting, then 'no thanks'

 

[Filatov2Kovalev2Bonk]

Leaks

This is simply Toronto-based fantasy.

Kyle Dubas has done absolutely nothing to warrant this kind of hyping/praise.

Simply the way he has handled Leafs goaltending cap-wise is beyond horrible.

I just dont get this "cap wizard" stuff that gets thrown around when talking about Dubas.


Kyle Dubas is an average GM, nothing more, nothing less.

Signing an MVP top goal scorer for 11 mil is reasonable.
Signing a Selke finalist 90+ for 9-11 mil is reasonable.
Signing a 60-80 point forward for 6-8 mil is reasonable.
He got teams to eat salary on trades, he did an excellent job with their bottom 6; I wish we had TO's bottom 6 instead of the plugs we have now.
We managed cap gymnastics when everyone was going "Oh no! Cap hell!" that let the Leafs keep dressing a comp line-up throughout the year.
On top of that, he's had the Leafs over 100 points the past while too.

Dubas is very good. He's in touch with today's game and he'd be a great asset to any team.
I'd love him in Ottawa, we'd get rid of the bottom 6 and add some much-needed skill and speed.
And he'll be in demand, whether you like the Leafs or not (and I certainly do not...). For me to posit otherwise would be provincialist bumpkinism of the worst kind.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Well the good news is the new GM only has three picks in the upcoming draft so he should be able to get up to speed quickly!

 

[SENSational]

Dubas flip flopped. Shanny was clear that Dubas’ intentions were 100% known and they had a deal ready. He goes and talks to other candidates when he doesn’t need to and Dubas’ camp hears, he will lose his guy. He wants Dubas. Dubas wants back. It’s great.

Then the leafs choke (I guess shanny should have known they would exit fast) and Dubas becomes Judas. He disregards Shanny’s advice and holds media availability unnecessarily then applies all the master negotiating tactics he deployed over the years and talks himself out of a contract. It’s the Dubas version of brandishing a gun on instagram. “I actually don’t know if I want to be the gm”. Shanny’s jaw drops, his guy is shook emotionally and he can’t trust him with the team. And here we are today.

That’s all Dubas being weak mentally and a crap negotiator. Shanny was a lot more polite than he needed to be in his presser. He could have just said Dubas betrayed us and can’t be trusted. He took the high road.

Shanahan comes across nothing but unprofessional here. Being transparent to the media is fine, tbh that's what Dubas' did and what he said at his presser was a total non-story. Shanahan went overboard with detailing the entire timeline with anecdotes. All he had to say was that negotiations were taking too long and we needed a quick decision due to time sensitivities. Done and dusted, that's transparent and doesn't look petty as hell. People take notice of these things and it'll 100% come to bite the Leafs in the ass

Also not sure what Dubas' performance has to do with anything considering Shanny made it cristal clear that they loved Dubas' performance. Plus this whole negotiating at the presser narrative is baseless speculation. No one does that in that scenario.

 

[AvroArrow]

The leaks are coming out, and it’s getting good!

Breaking news, the president of Hockey operations has final say. More at 7.

Kyle Dubas has gone from worst GM in the league, to greatest GM in the league overnight. Insane how that always seems to happen when people leave the Leafs organization.

 

[FerrisRox]

Is it though?

Is it really Dubas' fault that Matthews, Marner, Tavares have no problem showing up in the season but come playoff time they're playing Casper and Friends?

Dubas will be gone, but the Leafs will still be ghosts come playoff time.

Yes it is.

I don't think it's accurate to call Auston Matthews "soft" but I have no doubt in my mind that Marner, Tavares and Nylander are.

It has nothing to do with regular season and post season. They are soft regardless of when the games are played.

Dubas has clearly undervalued players with toughness and grit and it has gravely hurt his team's chances of ever succeeding in the playoffs.

 

[TheDoldrums]

What? Trading away:

1st-round pick in 2023
OTT 3rd-round pick in 2023
3rd-round pick in 2023
2nd-round pick in 2024
1st-round pick in 2025
2nd-round pick in 2026
Rasmus Sandin (23 years old, 2 years at $1.4 million per, Restricted Free Agent upon expiration)

to get whooped in the 2nd round?

If mortgaging the future to lose anyways is what you're getting, then 'no thanks'

why even put sandin here and claim it was mortgaging the future when he was traded for a 1st round pick lol

 

[WarriorofTime]

why even put sandin here and claim it was mortgaging the future when he was traded for a 1st round pick lol

Sandin holds more value for the future than Boston's 28th pick in the 2023 Draft.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

What? Trading away:

1st-round pick in 2023
OTT 3rd-round pick in 2023
3rd-round pick in 2023
2nd-round pick in 2024
1st-round pick in 2025
2nd-round pick in 2026
Rasmus Sandin (23 years old, 2 years at $1.4 million per, Restricted Free Agent upon expiration)

to get whooped in the 2nd round?

If mortgaging the future to lose anyways is what you're getting, then 'no thanks'

Not to mention:

2022 first round pick (trade down)
2021 first round pick for Foligno (wasted)
2020 first round pick to get rid of Marleau when he could have just traded away kapanen/jonsson
2019 first round pick for muzzin (LTIR)

That's like 4-6 first round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.

Pretty easy to build a team when you mortgage your future away that badly.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Sandin holds more value for the future than Boston's 28th pick in the 2023 Draft.

trading for a 1st rounder is not mortgaging the future, no one has ever thought like that and you're just scrambling off a sloppy post, it's okay

 

[GirardSpinorama]

why even put sandin here and claim it was mortgaging the future when he was traded for a 1st round pick lol

You can consider him trading away his 2018 first round pick. All he has to show for his drafts from 2017 to now is basically Lilijgren. While you have GMs coming away with the jason Robertson's, Wyatt Johnston's, Matt Boldy, Seth Jarvis, Dawson Mercer's etc etc.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Not to mention:

2022 first round pick (trade down)
2021 first round pick for Foligno (wasted)
2020 first round pick to get rid of Marleau when he could have just traded away kapanen/jonsson
2019 first round pick for muzzin (LTIR)

That's like 4-6 first round picks and a bunch of 2nd rounders.

Pretty easy to build a team when you mortgage your future away that badly.

muzzin (ltir) is a really good characterization of a guy who was their best defenseman for 3 years lol

You can consider him trading away his 2018 first round pick. All he has to show for his drafts from 2017 to now is basically Lilijgren. While you have GMs coming away with the jason Robertson's, Wyatt Johnston's, Matt Boldy, Seth Jarvis, Dawson Mercer's etc etc.

I agree that he should've drafted jason robertson, great point

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Dubas at presser "I need to think this over, if I can do this job anymore, it was really hard on my family..."

...Shanahan watching conference at home "what, I don't get it"

"you got mail" chimes on Shanahans computer

From: Dubas Agent
Subject: New contract counter

Shanahan ".....oh this makes sense now"


Did Dubas ask for money before or after the conference?

After.

And spot on summary.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

muzzin (ltir) is a really good characterization of a guy who was their best defenseman for 3 years lol

So what they accomplished nothing with him. Why not get a similar player for free in UFA. Why not trade less for a player like Martinez like Vegas did? Why not trade all those picks together for a true stud? People think Dubas has actually added value. He hasn't. He just makes a lot of trades. He loses big trades and win small trades.

 

[WarriorofTime]

trading for a 1st rounder is not mortgaging the future, no one has ever thought like that and you're just scrambling off a sloppy post, it's okay

lol you act like Sandin was traded in a vacuum, when it was because they needed to clear a roster spot for another 30 year old defenseman in order to 'win now'

if you don't understand player values and how they get managed within a salary cap structure... and if you don't understand that all 1st round picks are not treated equal, that's OK

 

[TheDoldrums]

So what they accomplished nothing with him. Why not get a similar player for free in UFA.

right all the smart teams do most of their team building on July 1st, very efficient marketplace there

 

[GirardSpinorama]

right all the smart teams do most of their team building on July 1st, very efficient marketplace there

All the smart teams don't mortgage their future away for a win now complementary piece, end up with nothing. They try to manage their cap structure well enough that they can add complementary pieces for free.

The hurricanes just added Burns for almost nothing lol. The only first they traded away for was a young dman on a good long term deal. Now that is a smart team.

 

[TheDoldrums]

lol you act like Sandin was traded in a vacuum, when it was because they needed to clear a roster spot for another 30 year old defenseman in order to 'win now'

if you don't understand player values and how they get managed within a salary cap structure... and if you don't understand that all 1st round picks are not treated equal, that's OK

you can just say the sandin trade was bad.

don't say it was mortgaging the future to trade for a future 1st rounder, that's illogical

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Dubas needs to learn his place.

Yes. The AHL.

So Keefe still has a job.

Only in name. Irl he is already packing his shit.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

The leaks are coming out, and it’s getting good!

Clearly Shanahan was out there blocking the Jarnkroks for Makar deals lol. Dubas' media buddies spinning it so hard.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Thats the leaf's brass telling him to learn his place. I doubt he gets a GM job after this, he said himself just earlier he can't take another job elsewhere.

Yep, not only did Dubas overplay his hand, he also put his foot in his mouth while he was at it. Which other NHL team will look at him with a straight face after his “Toronto or nowhere” comments?

 

[Canucks LB]

Clearly Shanahan was out there blocking the Jarnkroks for Makar deals lol. Dubas' media buddies spinning it so hard.

There’s two sides to every story, nobody even knows Dubas side yet

 

[Ace]

There’s two sides to every story, nobody even knows Dubas side yet

We know his results. Don’t need to know his excuses.

 

[AvroArrow]

There’s two sides to every story, nobody even knows Dubas side yet

We know his side, he wasn't committed 100% to the team, he was unsure if he wanted to return. He said it was a family decision. He asked for more money. He asked for Shanahans job basically.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

There’s two sides to every story, nobody even knows Dubas side yet

I'm sure we'll have a story that shows both dubas' and Shanahan as idiots.