Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[Niagara Bill]

I keep reading that Tavaras was his big mistake....I suggest that a player of his stature was NOT a mistake. A vet, second line center, captain, hard worker, 70+ points, front of the net guy is exactly what we needed.
Dubas failure was guys like Kerfoot, and 6 or 7 third liners and draft picks other than core 4 who never became key pieces. The Marlies produced nothing for us.
Tavares, Gio, TJ, Muzzin, goaltenders, were ready to win 3 yrs ago....Dubas never completed that goal, now they are too old to be front line.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I supposed wearing that shirt is not by accident, just as what he said in his last presser with the Leafs?

It’s a pretty good photoshop I’d say, top tier troll job

 

[WillTheThrill]

I keep reading that Tavaras was his big mistake....I suggest that a player of his stature was NOT a mistake. A vet, second line center, captain, hard worker, 70+ points, front of the net guy is exactly what we needed.
Dubas failure was guys like Kerfoot, and 6 or 7 third liners and draft picks other than core 4 who never became key pieces. The Marlies produced nothing for us.
Tavares, Gio, TJ, Muzzin, goaltenders, were ready to win 3 yrs ago....Dubas never completed that goal, now they are too old to be front line.

Agreed, If you can get a player of Tavares calibre without giving up any assets you do that everyday.

 

[Apex Predator]

I supposed wearing that shirt is not by accident, just as what he said in his last presser with the Leafs?

WhT does that shirt mean?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Shanahan was a fantastic hockey player who had it all and he’s a great politician but somehow the board has been lulled into believing he has any ability to assess talent and on-ice product without having a lick of experience. Hell, he didn’t have any experience assessing off-ice talent or results either. I blame Lieweke and of course the owners for handing the position to him and not someone with actual experience running anything about an NHL team

The fact the board loves Shanahan is the biggest joke of all right now. This organization is in absolute shambles

The funniest thing is people pretending that the way Shanny played is the way he thinks the game should be played and how his teams should be built. The people fellating Shanny now are the same people complaining about how soft the game has gotten and how young players act entitled now. Be a shame if they looked up who pushed the rule changes that made the game soft and who revolutionized RFA valuation with his offer sheet.

Marner is the poster child of what Shanahan wanted for the league: young skill player able to succeed because of reduced physicality and is a brand-friendly marketing asset to grow the game with the next generation and accelerate the pay scale for his NHLPA friends.

 

[Superstar]

WhT does that shirt mean?

T-shirt made by Pittsburg Clothing Company.

 

[andora]

The funniest thing is people pretending that the way Shanny played is the way he thinks the game should be played and how his teams should be built. The people fellating Shanny now are the same people complaining about how soft the game has gotten and how young players act entitled now. Be a shame if they looked up who pushed the rule changes that made the game soft and who revolutionized RFA valuation with his offer sheet.

Marner is the poster child of what Shanahan wanted for the league: young skill player able to succeed because of reduced physicality and is a brand-friendly marketing asset to grow the game with the next generation and accelerate the pay scale for his NHLPA friends.

I am quoting simply for the greatness in using fellating

Also.. good post

 

[MCR74]

I went to the pens board to warn them about dubie, they grabbed their pitchforks and torches and proclaimed dubas the next best thing since sliced bread.

They're welcome to him.

 

[Apex Predator]

They're welcome to him.

They can take all the Dubas fan boys too

 

[egd27]

Over the past two seasons alone (July 2021-present), the Leafs made deals with:

Calgary
Vancouver
Washington
NY Islanders
Chicago
St. Louis
Colorado
Arizona
Ottawa
Nashville
Vegas
Seattle
Minnesota
Boston
Pittsburgh

That's 15 of the 31 other teams.

There were 15 ex Greyhounds in the NHL during that time? Pretty impressive

I supposed wearing that shirt is not by accident, just as what he said in his last presser with the Leafs?

What is the significance of the t-shirt?

 

[egd27]

Agreed, If you can get a player of Tavares calibre without giving up any assets you do that everyday.

Some may consider $11M cap space an asset.

 

[Antropovsky]

I keep reading that Tavaras was his big mistake....I suggest that a player of his stature was NOT a mistake. A vet, second line center, captain, hard worker, 70+ points, front of the net guy is exactly what we needed.
Dubas failure was guys like Kerfoot, and 6 or 7 third liners and draft picks other than core 4 who never became key pieces. The Marlies produced nothing for us.
Tavares, Gio, TJ, Muzzin, goaltenders, were ready to win 3 yrs ago....Dubas never completed that goal, now they are too old to be front line.

Agreed.

Not signing 27 year old Tavares at 11 million, is like another team not signing 27 year ufa Matthews.

Dubas and Keefe totally destroyed this team. Marner credited Babs for putting him in the doghouse and him having to work his way out of it and earn his trust. Kadri praised Babcock for turning his game around.

Keefe comes in with no doghouse...and doesn't discipline any player. Dubas steps the team of it's grit entirely. And then over the next few years reluctantly adds one tough player to the roster who can't play, Simmonds, Clifford, Ritchie.

Trotz himself this past year hinted the leafs were not a discipline team. Remember Trotz made Barzal a healthy scratch in 2020.

Trotz quote:
The thing I saw with them last year is the commitment level in the playoffs. Their stars were blocking shots. They got their noses dirty a little more often. They made the simple play when they had to. They didn’t try to force things.”


So glad these two clowns are gone. It's hist really unfortunate our teams best years were wasted training rookies how to coach and how to GM.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Some may consider $11M cap space an asset.

They should have acquired Tavares and then traded one of their other core 3 players for other key assets. By holding on to four players with large contracts they left themselves with no salary cap space to obtain and retain other important positional players.

 

[Trapper]

They should have acquired Tavares and then traded one of their other core 3 players for other key assets. By holding on to four players with large contracts they left themselves with no salary cap space to obtain and retain other important positional players.

I also believe the Tavares signing was intended for the Leafs to win the Cup in 5 years.
Little did they expect (well they won’t admit it) that the core just isn’t built for the postseason. Management like many fans believe skill x 4 players = guaranteed Cup. Life lesson.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

The funniest thing is people pretending that the way Shanny played is the way he thinks the game should be played and how his teams should be built. The people fellating Shanny now are the same people complaining about how soft the game has gotten and how young players act entitled now. Be a shame if they looked up who pushed the rule changes that made the game soft and who revolutionized RFA valuation with his offer sheet.

Marner is the poster child of what Shanahan wanted for the league: young skill player able to succeed because of reduced physicality and is a brand-friendly marketing asset to grow the game with the next generation and accelerate the pay scale for his NHLPA friends.

I was thinking exactly that a few years ago...it seemed like the Leafs were allergic to physicality and believe it or not...Dubas had some pretty physical players at both the Soo and Marlies. I think a lot of this stuff will come out in the wash soon. If the new GM continues the Kumbaya stuff...it was Shanny all along. This is going to be like a Scooby Doo episode where the bad gets the mask lifted and it's Shanny.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Good point. Dubas' disciples claim Kyle will have, for sure, learned from his Leaf mistakes and is now poised to be the GOAT gm with Pittsburgh. And mark their words, no one else except God's son Kyle can ever evolve towards professional excellence.

Lol

 

[Martin Skoula]

I was thinking exactly that a few years ago...it seemed like the Leafs were allergic to physicality and believe it or not...Dubas had some pretty physical players at both the Soo and Marlies. I think a lot of this stuff will come out in the wash soon. If the new GM continues the Kumbaya stuff...it was Shanny all along. This is going to be like a Scooby Doo episode where the bad gets the mask lifted and it's Shanny.

“You wouldn’t think of him as a cerebral, deep thinker about the game, but he was,” Kariya said. “I think when you look at the way the game is played now — and all the offense that’s evolved into the game — it really goes back to what Brendan did after the lockout and all the changes to open up the game and make it more offensive.

“He would joke with me. He’d say, ‘I don’t know why I’m doing this. I’m helping you. I’m hurting myself.’ I thought that was a really funny comment — but it’s true. He was helping players of my ilk — smaller guys, skilled players, and in some ways, he was hurting himself, the power forward who could grind through the checks and play any kind of style. I think when fans watch the way the game is played today — the excitement, the speed, the offensive production — a lot of that has to do with Brendan and those changes that he helped bring into the game. You wouldn’t have believed that would come from a player of his ilk.”

It’s not exactly a secret, Brendan and people who have worked with him are very open about it. It would be a little awkward for Bell to run their Let’s Talk campaign when their spokesperson and the NHL’s former VP and DOPS head is building teams that concuss people left and right.

I know some people don’t want to read anything that paints Shanny in a bad light so I’ll sum it up: he wears fake glasses and cardigans too.

 

[egd27]

I also believe the Tavares signing was intended for the Leafs to win the Cup in 5 years.

and then the next season they hired Keefe and that intent went out the window

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

I also believe the Tavares signing was intended for the Leafs to win the Cup in 5 years.
Little did they expect (well they won’t admit it) that the core just isn’t built for the postseason. Management like many fans believe skill x 4 players = guaranteed Cup. Life lesson.

If there was no salary cap it would have been a great acquisition and they might have been able to add other key players at other positions like defence and goal.

Or, if Dubas had signed Tavares with an eye on trading one of the other players for other needed assets, the Tavares signing could have been a great move.

But there is a salary cap.

So salary allocation obviously becomes vitally important. Dubas thinking he could be successful, having 3 scoring forwards taking up over 40% of the teams cap allocation was the fatal flaw in his plan.

It wasn’t like many other people smarter than me didn’t point out the same issue at the time.

By The Numbers: Why Maple Leafs’ Payout To Star Forwards Is Unprecedented

With the league's most top heavy salary cap construction, Toronto aims to build a championship team a way no team has before.

www.forbes.com

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to Elloitte Friedman:

• there will be more fallout from the firing of former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas.

• one thing MLSE is kind of thinking is: are they going to have to clear out everybody from the Toronto Maple Leafs department?

• do they (MLSE) look at it and say some of these people are not going to be able to function under a different leader? Friedman is sure that is one conversation MLSE is having right now.

• MLSE kind of thought that former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas would be out and if he went somewhere else, maybe he would ask to take one or two people with him, but other than that, it is going to stay a lot the same.

• Friedman knows now that one of the topics that is being considered by MLSE is: are they going to have to clear it all out?



Senators sale, Dubas to PIT and Leafs GM search, what's next in the big 3 of NHL off-season?

6:03 | May 26, 2023

NHL insider Elliotte Friedman joins the Jeff Marek Show to discuss his latest thoughts on the Big 3 of NHL off-season topics, in the Senators' sale, Kyle Dubas' future in Pittsburgh, and the Maple Leafs GM search.

 

[Stephen]

According to Elloitte Friedman:

• there will be more fallout from the firing of former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas.

• one thing MLSE is kind of thinking is: are they going to have to clear out everybody from the Toronto Maple Leafs department?

• do they (MLSE) look at it and say some of these people are not going to be able to function under a different leader? Friedman is sure that is one conversation MLSE is having right now.

• MLSE kind of thought that former Toronto Maple Leafs GM Kyle Dubas would be out and if he went somewhere else, maybe he would ask to take one or two people with him, but other than that, it is going to stay a lot the same.

• Friedman knows now that one of the topics that is being considered by MLSE is: are they going to have to clear it all out?



Senators sale, Dubas to PIT and Leafs GM search, what's next in the big 3 of NHL off-season?

6:03 | May 26, 2023

NHL insider Elliotte Friedman joins the Jeff Marek Show to discuss his latest thoughts on the Big 3 of NHL off-season topics, in the Senators' sale, Kyle Dubas' future in Pittsburgh, and the Maple Leafs GM search.

Steve Dangle said Kyle Dubas looks like a "cool youth pastor." Seems like they have something like a religious following inside that hockey department.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

I keep reading that Tavaras was his big mistake....I suggest that a player of his stature was NOT a mistake. A vet, second line center, captain, hard worker, 70+ points, front of the net guy is exactly what we needed.
Dubas failure was guys like Kerfoot, and 6 or 7 third liners and draft picks other than core 4 who never became key pieces. The Marlies produced nothing for us.
Tavares, Gio, TJ, Muzzin, goaltenders, were ready to win 3 yrs ago....Dubas never completed that goal, now they are too old to be front line.

70+ point 2nd line centers don't make $11M...it's just science

 

[Squiffy]

It’s not exactly a secret, Brendan and people who have worked with him are very open about it. It would be a little awkward for Bell to run their Let’s Talk campaign when their spokesperson and the NHL’s former VP and DOPS head is building teams that concuss people left and right.

I know some people don’t want to read anything that paints Shanny in a bad light so I’ll sum it up: he wears fake glasses and cardigans too.

 

[BallardEra]

Kyle Dubas reportedly missed out on acquiring a ''big name, high-end defenseman'' due to Leafs' approval process

Dubas reportedly missed out on acquiring a star defenseman last season because of approval timelines within MLSE; find out more here

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

 

[Peasy]

Kyle Dubas reportedly missed out on acquiring a ''big name, high-end defenseman'' due to Leafs' approval process

Dubas reportedly missed out on acquiring a star defenseman last season because of approval timelines within MLSE; find out more here

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

What big name defence men was moved last/this year?

Chychrun?

Pass.

God these reports of people in the org not being able to work for anyone other than Dubas is just absolutely pathetic and should be cleaned up immediately.