Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning

[egd27]

Can we un-sticky this thread?

It's been over a week, and it's been beaten to death.

Kyle Dubas is no longer the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Where he goes and what he does is no longer related to the Leafs, and very simply sick of him.

There's a lot more things of interest that relate to the Leafs than what and where the Boy Wonder decides to go.

I'm over it.

Upper right side of the page......click "Ignore Thread"

Unless of course you're not really over it......which is my guess.

 

[PromisedLand]

One full week since dubas has been FIRED. Still so happy about it!

Party time!

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Dubas asking to go directly to the Board with proposals was a complete slap in the face to Shanny, there is no other way to interpret that than a naked end around him. To me that’s why he’s gone and he deserved it, can’t really blame Shanahan for telling him to go f*** himself.

If you read some of the things being said about Dubas being blocked or slowed down in deals...it was for high priced players...not the run of the mill Malgin for Marchment deals. He had to get approval to go after a big UFA or a big trade involving core players or big money deals. That doesn't seem too far fetched and at the same time doesn't feel too limiting. He along with Shanny had a boss...they had to run stuff up the flagpole. I doubt very much that the board would take 3 days to return with an answer and I can almost 100% assure that Shanny being in the mix did not slow the process down at all.

So, Dubas' fanbase seems to think that if only Shanny wasn't involved that the Board would magically start giving back answers to Dubas' requests in less than 3 days? It doesn't make sense.

 

[PromisedLand]

Common sense and facts!

 

[justashadowof]

Can we un-sticky this thread?

It's been over a week, and it's been beaten to death.

Kyle Dubas is no longer the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs. Where he goes and what he does is no longer related to the Leafs, and very simply sick of him.

There's a lot more things of interest that relate to the Leafs than what and where the Boy Wonder decides to go.

I'm over it.

I think there should be a part 2. There is going to be so much more to discuss about this in the coming weeks.

 

[PromisedLand]

Shanahan was a fantastic hockey player who had it all and he’s a great politician but somehow the board has been lulled into believing he has any ability to assess talent and on-ice product without having a lick of experience. Hell, he didn’t have any experience assessing off-ice talent or results either. I blame Lieweke and of course the owners for handing the position to him and not someone with actual experience running anything about an NHL team

The fact the board loves Shanahan is the biggest joke of all right now. This organization is in absolute shambles

Dubas was a fraud and ruined this franchise. And all of it happened under Shanahan's watch by Shanahan's handpicked gm.

I would have preferred that they fired both shanahan and dubious.

but hey 1 out of 2 isnt bad. dubas was a bigger issue imo

 

[thewave]

Dubas asking to go directly to the Board with proposals was a complete slap in the face to Shanny, there is no other way to interpret that than a naked end around him. To me that’s why he’s gone and he deserved it, can’t really blame Shanahan for telling him to go f*** himself.

The whole thing has irreparably damaged his reputation. I don't think the Pens are going to hire this guy, maybe they have the meetings but I can't see it happen. This is an absolute insane amount of fire for an organization to be messing with.

 

[PromisedLand]

I think there should be a part 2. There is going to be so much more to discuss about this in the coming weeks.

There is 5 years worth of venting for the "Leafs" fans.

This should be stickied until the start of next season or until we have a new GM at least.

 

[thewave]

Dubas was a fraud and ruined this franchise. And all of it happened under Shanahan's watch by Shanahan's handpicked gm.

I would have preferred that they fired both shanahan and dubious.

but hey 1 out of 2 isnt bad. dubas was a bigger issue imo

I think the board pushed for Dubas. Honestly feel Shanahan was overruled. Knowing what you know about Shanahan, do you honestly think he was a NuHockey guy or do you think the boards of Rogers and Bell who want to sell an image wanted that?

The whole thing smells of an ideology pitch out of corporate. That's my thoughts on it.

 

[PromisedLand]

I think the board pushed for Dubas. Honestly feel Shanahan was overruled.

I don't know about that. Shanny had the option of extended Lou or hiring Hunter.

Dubas is a charlatan it still amazes me that trash like him god a job at a billion dollar franchise not a micky mouse organization like the yotes.

I really doubt board would have gone with a rookie to run a billion dollar franchise

 

[thewave]

I don't know about that. Shanny had the option of extended Lou or hiring Hunter.

Dubas is a charlatan it still amazes me that trash like him god a job at a billion dollar franchise not a micky mouse organization like the yotes.

I really doubt board would have gone with a rookie to run a billion dollar franchise

Picture this. The Board is talking to this Dubas character who is hitting all the points that the Rogers and Bell PR dept's are in line with. He has the image, talks about mental health, equality etc etc etc. The con is on, he is pitching this and that, all in the echo-chamber of Bell/Rogers. They think it's their best chance to improve their public relations etc. Dubas offers something that they perceive works for the Leafs and parent companies, then pull the trigger and hire Dubas.

They did go with him, they have to sign off on it.

 

[Stephen]

If you read some of the things being said about Dubas being blocked or slowed down in deals...it was for high priced players...not the run of the mill Malgin for Marchment deals. He had to get approval to go after a big UFA or a big trade involving core players or big money deals. That doesn't seem too far fetched and at the same time doesn't feel too limiting. He along with Shanny had a boss...they had to run stuff up the flagpole. I doubt very much that the board would take 3 days to return with an answer and I can almost 100% assure that Shanny being in the mix did not slow the process down at all.

So, Dubas' fanbase seems to think that if only Shanny wasn't involved that the Board would magically start giving back answers to Dubas' requests in less than 3 days? It doesn't make sense.

The problem I have with the “streamlining” theory is it implies a direct line to the board would have cut down on the 3 day delay as if Brendan Shanahan was the slow one running it up and then back down again. I doubt that would have been the issue and more to do with the board itself, if it was even an issue at all.

Plus what money did the Leafs even have to sign a big UFA between 2019 and present day? What magical defenseman would they have acquired? What Big 4 was Kyle going to dump? The magnitude and quantity l of the deals he could make seem to have been made with frequency over the past number of years.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Peasy]

The problem I have with the “streamlining” theory is it implies a direct line to the board would have cut down on the 3 day delay as if Brendan Shanahan was the slow one running it up and then back down again. I doubt that would have been the issue and more to do with the board itself, if it was even an issue at all.

Plus what money did the Leafs even have to sign a big UFA between 2019 and present day? What magical defenseman would they have acquired? What Big 4 was Kyle going to dump? The magnitude and quantity l of the deals he could make seem to have been made with frequency over the past number of years.

Also, if youre making a drastic trade and don't have time to wait a few days to make the deal, then its probably not a good scenario to begin with. You shouldn't be dealing a major piece on a whim over a day or two of thinking imo.

People keep mentioning Chychrun, like Chychrun was available for over a year lol... He had more than enough time to make the deal if he wanted too.

All this just seems like its Dubas' side trying to change the narrative and make him look better in the end.

 

[rocketman588]

I assume it was gurikov if anyone since the jackets were one of like 4 teams we trade with

If it was Karlson the board blocking it is ok with me

Even him at 50% retained is a risk

 

[Shooter2x]

I check in once a day just to smile at this thread title. So refreshing

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

People want the Leafs to hire Coach Q and he let one of his players get sexual assaulted and wrote the guy that did it a glowing recommendation letter that he used to get a job with teens and sexual assault them.
So yeah I think Dubas will be fine

Then said he didn't remember writing the recommendation

 

[myleafs]

Dubas was a fraud and ruined this franchise. And all of it happened under Shanahan's watch by Shanahan's handpicked gm.

I would have preferred that they fired both shanahan and dubious.

but hey 1 out of 2 isnt bad. dubas was a bigger issue imo

lets not get ahead of ourselves

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

It probably saves your girlfriend/wife from the vitriol and a whack or two. You’re right. Fire away Jr.

Makes zero sense; “hip” jokes aren’t your thing, Boomsy

The problem I have with the “streamlining” theory is it implies a direct line to the board would have cut down on the 3 day delay as if Brendan Shanahan was the slow one running it up and then back down again. I doubt that would have been the issue and more to do with the board itself, if it was even an issue at all.

Plus what money did the Leafs even have to sign a big UFA between 2019 and present day? What magical defenseman would they have acquired? What Big 4 was Kyle going to dump? The magnitude and quantity l of the deals he could make seem to have been made with frequency over the past number of years.

I actually would have seen it as a good thing because I have zero faith in Shanahan’s ability to analyze or assess players or the team’s ability

 

[theTTC]

The Leafs potentially hiring Treliving is growing on me. You can bet he’s been stewing over that Gaudreau situation for months and about what he’d do differently. I don’t think any other candidate would be better equipped to handle our current situation when you consider the upcoming contracts. He’s done well in many trades, has a winning track record in Calgary, and even a strong draft history (albeit not so much recently).

Every GM has made mistakes, you can look at Tampa’s GM which is widely considered to be one of if not the best in the league and he made the Jeannot trade.

I don’t know if Treliving would be my first choice, but he’s a great candidate and I’d be happy with him.

Good point. Dubas' disciples claim Kyle will have, for sure, learned from his Leaf mistakes and is now poised to be the GOAT gm with Pittsburgh. And mark their words, no one else except God's son Kyle can ever evolve towards professional excellence.

 

[rumman]

Picture this. The Board is talking to this Dubas character who is hitting all the points that the Rogers and Bell PR dept's are in line with. He has the image, talks about mental health, equality etc etc etc. The con is on, he is pitching this and that, all in the echo-chamber of Bell/Rogers. They think it's their best chance to improve their public relations etc. Dubas offers something that they perceive works for the Leafs and parent companies, then pull the trigger and hire Dubas.

They did go with him, they have to sign off on it.

MLSE better be careful, get too progressive and you may hurt the brand, disagree? Go ask Budweiser, Bed Bath and Beyond, Target, Levi’s et al they’re all hurting for pushing agenda’s not appreciated by their client base………

Do you think he asked his wife “does this t shirt look okay……….”

 

[rumman]

Also, if youre making a drastic trade and don't have time to wait a few days to make the deal, then its probably not a good scenario to begin with. You shouldn't be dealing a major piece on a whim over a day or two of thinking imo.

People keep mentioning Chychrun, like Chychrun was available for over a year lol... He had more than enough time to make the deal if he wanted too.

All this just seems like its Dubas' side trying to change the narrative and make him look better in the end.

The Buddha said “by doing nothing, we have achieved everything………”

 

[rojac]

I assume it was gurikov if anyone since the jackets were one of like 4 teams we trade with

If it was Karlson the board blocking it is ok with me

Even him at 50% retained is a risk

Over the past two seasons alone (July 2021-present), the Leafs made deals with:

Calgary
Vancouver
Washington
NY Islanders
Chicago
St. Louis
Colorado
Arizona
Ottawa
Nashville
Vegas
Seattle
Minnesota
Boston
Pittsburgh

That's 15 of the 31 other teams.

 

[Superstar]

I supposed wearing that shirt is not by accident, just as what he said in his last presser with the Leafs?

 

[phillipmike]

Also, if youre making a drastic trade and don't have time to wait a few days to make the deal, then its probably not a good scenario to begin with. You shouldn't be dealing a major piece on a whim over a day or two of thinking imo.

People keep mentioning Chychrun, like Chychrun was available for over a year lol... He had more than enough time to make the deal if he wanted too.

All this just seems like its Dubas' side trying to change the narrative and make him look better in the end.

The problem I have with the “streamlining” theory is it implies a direct line to the board would have cut down on the 3 day delay as if Brendan Shanahan was the slow one running it up and then back down again. I doubt that would have been the issue and more to do with the board itself, if it was even an issue at all.

Plus what money did the Leafs even have to sign a big UFA between 2019 and present day? What magical defenseman would they have acquired? What Big 4 was Kyle going to dump? The magnitude and quantity l of the deals he could make seem to have been made with frequency over the past number of years.

I wonder if it’s one of those here is a Monday afternoon/evening proposal to Shanny for approval. Shanny reviews for his approval and then spends all day trying to get approval from the Board on Tuesday and emails Dubas after midnight or Wednesday morning with said approval so the “source” rounds up to 3 days (Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday) when it was probably 30-40 hours instead of anything closer to 72.

We know who is on the board, these guys are important CEOs and executives for multi billion dollar companies. I imagine it can’t be easy to get approval from 1 of these guys in day, let alone 8-9 of them.

The Board should be cut out completely and the yes should come from the president. Unfortunately, we know that isn’t happen.