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President Of Hockey Operations? There'd have to be plenty of belief in the vision for anyone given that title.
Confirmed with Link: Kyle Dubas Not Returning
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Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
Confirmed with Link: - It's Started! (Management firings)
Is all of this any surprise in Pittsburgh and the sport of Hockey and its media? There has always been very few legit media sources when it comes to Hockey and this town. Everyone is all up the Steelers asses and when they need something to talk about they will come up with some click bait...
Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
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Ignoring the Dubas situation for a moment, if you haven't noticed all of the major Toronto sports teams are in shambles currently, with the common denominator being Rogers having whole or part ownership of all of them and having a large amount of influence. Yes, for about half a decade all of the teams were kicking ass and a couple of them were winning championships, but that was shortly after Tim Leiweke left and established a culture of letting the sports teams do their thing. Since he left the next CEO was a pawn of the telecoms, and since early 2022 there hasn't been a permanent CEO of MLSE.
We've seen the results when Rogers gets far too hands on with the sports product. The Jays were great in the mid-2010s thanks to Anthopolous, but they just had to can him in favour of Shatkins, and the Jays haven't won a playoff game since despite all of the talent and the price-gouging of fans. The Raptors are directionless and it took last minute heroics from Tanenbaum to keep Ujiri in the fold because Rogers is stingy as all hell and is afraid of spending money. This cheapness also influenced the Leafs, as not re-signing Dubas last year, which Shanahan, Tanenbaum, and the Bell side wanted to do, was delayed because Rogers didn't want another Babcock situation of paying someone to not work for them, God forbid when they're worth billions. And TFC is in the worst mess of all, going from the class of North American soccer to a complete joke.
Look I get Kyle didn't get the results for the Leafs, and in time moving on may be a shrewd move. I however do not care for the rational behind his firing when by all accounts everyone wanted him back. I also don't care for a terrible company who consistently pukes out shitty products from bad internet to bad phone service to bad broadcasts having undue say in how my favourite sports teams are run. We've seen the results when people who know jack shit about sports are making the calls behind the scenes, and it was a decade of misery for all our professional sports teams from the mid-2000s to the mid-2010s.
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Lol
These articles are all BS. kyle saving face during his negotiation with pitts and helping to better his reputation after the cluster fk he did for 5 yrs
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The following information is courtesy of poster DesertedPenguin from the Pittsburgh Penguins HFBoards forum:
Confirmed with Link: - It's Started! (Management firings)
Is all of this any surprise in Pittsburgh and the sport of Hockey and its media? There has always been very few legit media sources when it comes to Hockey and this town. Everyone is all up the Steelers asses and when they need something to talk about they will come up with some click bait...
Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
32 Thoughts: The Podcast
Hockey fans already know the name, but this is not the blog. From Sportsnet, 32 Thoughts: The Podcast with NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas is a weekly deep dive into the biggest news and interviews from the hockey world.www.sportsnet.ca
A whole lot of speculation there...Penguins and Ottawa aren't in the same timeline.
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You’re just fabricating a narrative acting like you know the processes that exist behind the scenes. What sport orgs do not go through adversity? How are these teams in shambles?
How was it possible we pulled off so many trades at the deadline if it was an inefficient operation behind the scenes? What teams have made more moves than us?
Use logic instead of believing whatever anonymous sources throw out there that suits your preferred narrative. Tired of this crap because all of these “leaks” are designed to do one thing: help repair golden boy’s reputation after Shanahan was completely transparent in the latest presser.
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That is made up except for the fact he did say that it was Toronto or no where. He said discuss things with his family and was ready to take the job in Toronto. The Leafs than for all intents and purposes fired him. Then FwS sought him out. Dubas is allowed to change his mind. Shannahan did when it came to extending him. He is discussing this possibly with his family as well. He hasn't accepted a job with Pittsburgh yet nor do we know if one has been offered yet.
That is possible too. He might even have a different position with FWS. He will have a lot of opportunities.Starting around 17:00, it's.
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No one we got was owed a lot of money or required trading a core piece. No one is arguing that MLSE makes Kyle submit a report for every pick for pick trade at the draft before he’s allowed to do it.
From the sounds of it, the chain of command issue applies for big moves like trading the core or entering discussions for a big ticket item still owed a lot of money, say a Karlsson. So far Dubas is the only one among management to say “nothing is off the table” in regards to the core, the first we (indirectly) heard about Shanahan’s position is that they were all safe.
Either keeping them is Shanny’s best guess at what a winning hockey team looks like, or “nothing is off the table” spooked Bell/Rogers that they might lose their brand friendly cash cows. Something about toothless grizzled veterans wearing TikTok helmets doesn’t quite land as well as lil Mitch wearing one.
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TFC is literally at the bottom of the standings, their two highest paid stars hate each other and the coach, they're the definition of "in shambles." The Raptors are mired in mediocrity, bought at the deadline to prop up a middling team, and have few draft picks or much in the way of young talent with their starting point-guard either about to leave or be drastically overpaid by the team. Oh they also fired their head coach. The Jays are slumping hard with a manager who seems in over his head and can't properly utilize a player who they traded their top prospect for. The Leafs are self-explanatory but to recap, they fired a GM who everybody wanted back because he took to long during negotiations and are now scrambling to find a replacement ahead of a massive off-season.
Leafs biggest trades were done well ahead of the TDL. Obviously Dubas and Shanahan adapted to this stupid approval process and made sure to have the big deals lined up before they missed out.
I find it hilarious that you think anything that makes Dubas "look good" should be dismissed outright meanwhile you're only too eager and willing to take Shanahan's and MLSE's version of events at face value, as if they'd have any reason to not make themselves look like the most reasonable party in all of this.
Jimmy Firecracker
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Yeah, well after he set up the three major teams with sports people to run the show unabated. He had brought in Shanahan, Ujiri, and Bezbatchenko to run the Leafs, Raptors, and TFC. Friisdahl who succeeded Leiweke did well as a shield between the MLSE board and the showrunners of the teams, but he was just the steady hand on the rudder. Even he'd tell you he was just a behind the scenes guy.
Friisdahl’s only real error was not getting a competent replacement for Bezbatchenko. Can’t control Bezbatchenko wanting to go back home but he could’ve done better in the hiring department for TFC.
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The following information is courtesy of poster DesertedPenguin from the Pittsburgh Penguins HFBoards forum:
Confirmed with Link: - It's Started! (Management firings)
Is all of this any surprise in Pittsburgh and the sport of Hockey and its media? There has always been very few legit media sources when it comes to Hockey and this town. Everyone is all up the Steelers asses and when they need something to talk about they will come up with some click bait...
Elloitte Friedman says he thinks the Penguins are willing to wait on Dubas over the holiday weekend. He believes it's Dubas' job if he wants it, but it's not closed yet. He noted he believes a chunk of FSG is at the Grand Prix in Monaco this weekend, so if they need to sign off or be involved in-person, that's another reason for a possible delay to next week.
Friedman added that if it's not Dubas, he believes Mathieu Darche is still involved but is not sure if he's the only one.
He and Marek both talked about the possibility of Dubas still keeping an eye on Ottawa and just how long the Penguins are willing to wait for a decision.
32 Thoughts: The Podcast
Hockey fans already know the name, but this is not the blog. From Sportsnet, 32 Thoughts: The Podcast with NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman & Kyle Bukauskas is a weekly deep dive into the biggest news and interviews from the hockey world.www.sportsnet.ca
I wouldn't assume FSG would be willing to wait on an ownership approval process then that owner to see if they want to fire Dorion
Classic rich person move to go to Monaco tho
Starting around 17:00, it's
So he's waiting them out to get more power?
Seems familiar
Rachel Dorrie retweeted this as well
So you know she has no f***ing clue what's going on in the nhl
Some dude named yyz sports knows info no one else does lol
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I am not even sure how he can say that Shanahan was "completely transparent".
Okay, he was transparent about the timeline leading up to his decision to give Dubas an extension. Which I guess is nice. But the bombshell part of it, which was his decision to completely change his mind at the last minute after, for at least a few months, being satisfied with his work enough to want to go forward with a contract extension was very murky... Especially when he comes out in that presser and says (sic) "that he would not characterize the deal breaking down over money". So either he lied about it breaking down over money, he lied about other parts (i.e. ever having interest in Dubas), he just lied about everything, or we take everything at face value and it was not breaking down over money.
Now the other rumours that have come out, and of course it is just rumour and speculation, is over control/power. And out of everything that has come out, especially since Shanahan himself has said it wasn't a money issue, that is the most plausible. Shanahan wanted Dubas back under the same circumstances over the past 4 years. Dubas wanted to be back as GM, but not under those same circumstances. The family stuff could be him trying to play a negotiating card or he genuinely believes that the control/power stuff was a threshold for him to make everything worth it. Whatever you choose to believe is up to you and it could honestly be a bit of both. Maybe Dubas would have walked away if Shanahan said 'no', and that his original offer was as far as he would have gone. And for all we know, maybe Dubas did walk away and Shanahan did not want to admit it. Once again, speculation.
I just find it hard to believe the events after Monday. It seemed like he didn't want to lie about everything because Dubas could easily call him out on it (i.e. if he just said that he decided to go separate ways and made it seem like he never offered an extension in the first place), but that as he progressively got to the part that made him look "questionable" as president, there was more and more that was selectively left out. He did not go into nearly as much detail as to why he decided to change his mind as much as he did when he said he initially was interested in extending Dubas. He did not go into as much detail as to what the "gap" ultimately was if it was not money.
And yet, everyone poking holes at Dubas are effectively saying that is what happened: He got greedy, just like the Core 4. There is a lot of bitter projection and vitriol going on there that is clearly stemming from other qualms they've had with Dubas in the past.
And the rebuttal of "well how could he do all of the things he has done if Shanahan constantly mettled or if things were inefficient". Inefficiency makes it harder to do his job, or to do his job well, but does not make it impossible. We do not know which deals were left on the cutting room floor (which could be a good thing for all we know), or how much extra work Dubas had to do to get what he did done. We also do not know how much pressure there was from Shanahan/MLSE to alter his original plans, because there were certainly some things that he did which heavily contradicted his original gameplan when he was hired; well beyond the natural progression that you would expect with any plan.
If we are running on speculation based on the evidence and facts that are out there, a lot of signs are pointing to the fact that Dubas wanted more power, his counter reflected that desire for more power, and Shanahan was obviously concerned in one way or another about giving Dubas said power. I do not know if it was to save his own ass out of fear that Dubas getting more power makes him replaceable (and a way for MLSE to save money, because Shanahan makes a lot of it for being a guy with significantly less real hockey management experience than Dubas), or even just thinking that Dubas wasn't good enough for that power and he was doing what he thought was best for the club. That is up for everyone else to decide for themselves. But any way we are slicing it, it is not looking good for Shanahan right now. At the very least, he has caused a major media firestorm in arguably the largest market in the NHL and he should have either been completely transparent (including his decision to ultimately change his mind), or just kept it far less detailed altogether and effectively just feed the line that he ultimately wanted to go in another direction.
Either would have been better than this, because not only does he have the questions about whether moving on was the right move (although he should be well aware that is just the nature of the job, and he would have questions about whether keeping Dubas was the right move had that been his decision), but now he also needs to answer legitimate questions about his overall competency as President because he decided to make an extremely rash decision to radically change his plan in a pivotal moment of this franchise's window and created a whole lot of unneeded attention and tension around this team... Which has to be something that MLSE did not want and the prevention of these sorts of firestorms must have been high on his list of responsibilities.
Uhm, TFC is dead last with two of the best players hating each other with the only thing they have in common being they hate the coach more.
There's been multiple reports that the Raptors wanted to tank this year, but the board wouldn't let them....
So.... those leaks related to other teams in MLSE are to protect him as well, I guess? Both can be true.... Dubas didn't do his job well, but also could've been blocked doing certain things by the board.
We have different definitions of shambles lol. I’ve experienced Toronto sports shambles and this isn’t even close. You’ve completely dramatized every one of those situations to fit your narrative.
So when the evidence doesn’t fit your narrative it’s immediately disregarded? Lmfao.
Shanahan had the balls to sit infront of the media and explain his process knowing it wouldn’t be popular. The other party leaks from anonymous and questionable sources to the media that they actually had a trade around Kerfoot to Colorado for Makar but it fell through because Larry T was on a bender getting hammered at a penthouse in Vegas for a weekend.
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Who could blame them? The goal of every franchise should be to replicate his masterclass moves like trading Kadri for Kerfoot and a rental Tyson Barrie. His keen eye for talent is exceptional, proven by his protection of Justin Holl over Jared McCann in the expansion draft and trading Marchment for Malgin. No one knows goaltending like Kyle Dubas, showcased by his Mrazek and Matt Murray acquisitions.
Too bad Shanahan and the MLSE board were holding him back. There’s no telling what type of immaculate moves he could’ve made without them standing in his way. A true visionary.
Im as neutral as they come but i laughed
Their evidence is that Dubas achieved crappy results in the playoffs, so someone else must of intervened and screwed things up because Kyle is incapable of imperfection.
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