Toggle sidebar

Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

  • Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
  • We're expeting server maintenance on March 3rd starting at midnight, there may be downtime during the work.
Status
Not open for further replies.
Just watched a few minutes of Dubas’s presser after the draft.
He goes on to say that they “have their work cut out for them” this coming season. That it’s going to be a tough season.
He also names some of the teams that are good in our division. Sounds like he is already laying the excuses for failure next year
The reason it’s going to be a tough year is because those teams GM’s have done a much better job then him
 
  • Like
Reactions: Donnie740, CaptainCrunch17 and geo25
Donnie740 said:
That’s a huge understatement.

No GM in NHL history has accomplished less With more than Dubas has inToronto.

The guy has essentially squandered away virtually all of this years draft picks and some of next years and all he got was yet another humiliating playoff collapse.

Dubas has been absolutely horrific.
Click to expand...
You must be young.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Apologist
Eternal Leaf said:
I think it's good he's sticking to his ask.

It's an investment in letting the league know you are not a pushover in negotiations.
Click to expand...
And I would point out that Hyman can't be signed until Wed, so it is not a given that there won't be an agreement struck before that. But I agree that rolling over for a 6th rounder would have been a bad move by Dubas. It's a roughly similar situation to Ujuri not trading Lowry at the deadline because he didn't believe he was being offered fair value. Don't believe anyone questions Ujuri's skills as a negotiator.
 
Donnie740 said:
You don’t need a degree in Sports Management from Brock “University” to know there’s not a chance in hell of the Leafs giving the mediocre try-hard Hyman $5m per.

Instead of losing yet another asset for absolutely ZERO in return, picking up a draft pick was a no brainer.
Click to expand...
You do realize that Hyman will be replaced via free agency, right? You're not losing anything. Every year every team loses 3-5 free agents but they gain 3-5 free agents back for free, it's a wash.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Apologist
deprw said:
And because of that shot you just helped one of your competitors for a price that will lead eventually you losing even more value in future trades. Would be stupid mistake to cave in this case. If it would be 6 year contract, why not, but when were helping Oilers to lower Hyman cap hit it should be way more. Holland can pay 400k or 500k less cap space for 7 years.

On TDL if your value assessment was wrong you can sometimes go from 2nd to 3rd or 4th to 5th on prices if market is set so, but it's another case. This is another, where you should never cave in.
Click to expand...
I think if the cap space was that valuable to Holland he wouldn’t of dug his heels in on a sixth rounder. Some teams manage their cap better than others. But at least dubas is trying to stand up for himself
 
PuckMagi said:
So we could have gotten a free 6th round pick and the Oilers would have been stuck with a bad Hyman contract for an extra year? Should have done it for sure.
Click to expand...
Saving a team 500K each year for 8 years is huge. If I'm competing against a team I'd rather they take that hit each of the next 7 years over a 6th round pick.

A 1st or a 2nd I don't mind helping them out a bit, because I likely end up with more value. Barring that I'd take the competitive advantage of them having less cap space.
 
Racer88 said:
Just watched a few minutes of Dubas’s presser after the draft.
He goes on to say that they “have their work cut out for them” this coming season. That it’s going to be a tough season.
He also names some of the teams that are good in our division. Sounds like he is already laying the excuses for failure next year
The reason it’s going to be a tough year is because those teams GM’s have done a much better job then him
Click to expand...


Man this dude literally cant say anything, its unreal.

The guy opens his mouth and people whine.

Had he said the opposite, something like, "we like the looks of our team and how they stack up in our division" people would have crapped all over him saying "What!?!?! The team is nowhere near the level of Bos/TB, hes delusional, we are doomed."

He. Cant. Say. Anything. To. Appease. Everyone
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dekes For Days
Donnie740 said:
Can’t believe Dubas didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to add a FREE draft pick from Edmonton.

He’s had several instances of brutal asset mismanagement but this is the absolute worst. By far.

Look at other teams around the league accumulating assets by taking on bad contracts. Dubas didn’t even need to add one cent in contracts and he could have picked up a draft pick.

Refusing to take a free draft pick because he didn’t want to help Edmonton save a few hundred thousand in cap space is laughable.
Click to expand...
I'm still upset over the Tavares signing. Because of that signing we have a massive housing shortage in Canada, Covid is ravaging out of control, Ontario is on fire, oh and we didn't sign Pietrangelo/ Myers/ Krug/ Hall etc all of whom clearly would have signed here. And did I mention it forced us to trade Kadri?
 
Erndog said:
Man this dude literally cant say anything, its unreal.

The guy opens his mouth and people whine.

Had he said the opposite, something like, "we like the looks of our team and how they stack up in our division" people would have crapped all over him saying "What!?!?! The team is nowhere near the level of Bos/TB, hes delusional, we are doomed."

He. Cant. Say. Anything. To. Appease. Everyone
Click to expand...
It's much harder when the team you put together doesn't win in the playoffs.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CaptainCrunch17
LeafsOHLRangers98 said:
Saving a team 500K each year for 8 years is huge. If I'm competing against a team I'd rather they take that hit each of the next 7 years over a 6th round pick.

A 1st or a 2nd I don't mind helping them out a bit, because I likely end up with more value. Barring that I'd take the competitive advantage of them having less cap space.
Click to expand...
This is flawed logic. Whether or not the Oilers save some cap space has no bearing on what the Leafs do. Dubas should be trying to maximize the Leafs potential to win which includes gaining draft picks. Even a 6th rounder.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Donnie740, CaptainCrunch17 and Buds17
If a Hyman is extracting this kind of money in flat cap era, what is Morgs going to get on an open market and what’s Dubas’ plan there? Will we let another asset walk for nothing, can we even afford him?

As an aside, that it all just boils down to a zero sum game with the cap, you lose a Hyman, you simply add his salary elsewhere, that’s the most simplistic bs going. You’re hard pressed to replace Hyman, the guy was a heart and soul player here, could play on a checking line, could play with the big boys, great PK, great holding a lead, great inspiration. It isn’t that easy to simply slot in another comparable at his cap hit, if only sport was that simple.
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Hanging Jowl and ToneDog
Smif said:
You do realize that Hyman will be replaced via free agency, right? You're not losing anything. Every year every team loses 3-5 free agents but they gain 3-5 free agents back for free, it's a wash.
Click to expand...
Sure the Leafs will find a guy to fill the roster but will he be as good as Hyman at the money the Leafs have to spend? I sincerely doubt that.
 
  • Like
Reactions: egd27 and DarkKnight
TheShape said:
I’m not fussed at all about the 6th rounder, Holland can stick it.

However, I only wish Dubas was this much of hard ass when it came to negotiating contracts with his own players.
Click to expand...
No unfortunately, we got the guy who actually flies to Europe to make sure his RFA with zero leverage still knows we love him during a pivotal negotiation. Oh, then flies to New York to reassure his agent. Notice how nobody came to Toronto.
 
  • Like
Reactions: CaptainCrunch17 and egd27
Status
Not open for further replies.

Latest posts

Ad

Upcoming events

Ad

Top Bottom