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IrishInOntario said:
While I was one of the most vehement anti Foligno guys on the board, nobody in this draft was going to help this teamxwin now, or in the foreseeable future. That's on guys like Sandin, Liljegren, Niemela, Amirov, Anderson, Abramov, Gogolev, etc.

Dubas needs to win a couple trades and make a difference in free agency.
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Wasting a 1st and 4th on Foligno was a total failure.

Aside from the fact that Foligno’s never won anything in his career beyond ONE (1) first round playoff series, he was damaged goods.

Dave the Save, Riley Trash and Ben Hutton were more examples of how to flush your draft picks down the toilet. They contributed absolutely nothing.

So after wasting so many draft picks on no-talent hacks that accomplished ZERO, you’d think Dubas would jump at the opportunity to add a draft pick for nothing.

I’m certain the Leafs could hire a kid who’s only life experience is playing NHL21 video games and the kid couldn’t do a worse job at asset mismanagement than Dubas has done.
 
Rude Dog said:
Your post is not well thought out. Oilers want to steal one of our players? I expect Dubas to make them pay via a higher cap hit or adequate comp. who cares about a 6th. Sends a msg.
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You don’t need a degree in Sports Management from Brock “University” to know there’s not a chance in hell of the Leafs giving the mediocre try-hard Hyman $5m per.

Instead of losing yet another asset for absolutely ZERO in return, picking up a draft pick was a no brainer.
 
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Donnie740 said:
Wasting a 1st and 4th on Foligno was a total failure.

Aside from the fact that Foligno’s never won anything in his career beyond ONE (1) first round playoff series, he was damaged goods.

Dave the Save, Riley Trash and Ben Hutton were more examples of how to flush your draft picks down the toilet. They contributed absolutely nothing.

So after wasting so many draft picks on no-talent hacks that accomplished ZERO, you’d think Dubas would jump at the opportunity to add a draft pick for nothing.

I’m certain the Leafs could hire a kid who’s only life experience is playing NHL21 video games and the kid couldn’t do a worse job at asset mismanagement than Dubas has done.
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Totally. Dubas would jump at the chance to add a pick for nothing.
 
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My main gripe with Dubas is not moving on from this core (mostly Marner, though). We have had 5 straight first round exits with these guys. The last 3 of which were in humiliating fashion:

- Blew a 3-1 series lead against MTL
- Shutout in game 5 vs CBJ
- Failed to put Boston away despite being up 3-2 in 2019, with a piss-poor effort in game 7

I don't believe in this core nearly as much as Dubas but I hope he proves me wrong.
 
About the pick for,Hyman, who cares. Dubas spends 1st rd picks like a Beverley hills housewife spends money. And he’s grovelling over whether it’s a 6th or 4th or whatever. I don’t like dubas as a gm, I think he is horrible. Every time I see him do an interview his thinking of what is a successful team to him should look like in a contact sport like hockey with a salary cap is baffling. He was just on tim and friends and was defiant that the core will stay together. When asked about the flat cap, his response “ well everyone has to deal with a flat cap”. Well dubie, not everyone has to deal with half there cap tied up in 4 players! I am 100% convinced, this is his ship and he is going down with it. When the leafs miss the playoffs next year, dubie will be fired just like the other GM’s before him.
 
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Wing84 said:
6th round pick would be a shot in the dark, but with the leafs prospect pool, or lack of prospects that’s a shot he probably should of taken
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And because of that shot you just helped one of your competitors for a price that will lead eventually you losing even more value in future trades. Would be stupid mistake to cave in this case. If it would be 6 year contract, why not, but when were helping Oilers to lower Hyman cap hit it should be way more. Holland can pay 400k or 500k less cap space for 7 years.

On TDL if your value assessment was wrong you can sometimes go from 2nd to 3rd or 4th to 5th on prices if market is set so, but it's another case. This is another, where you should never cave in.
 
Dubas Asset Management school 101... Why get something for something?

Assets lost or reported to be lost for no return. Some could have got us a #1 some could have got us nothing but at the same time there is a long long long list of players who through incompetence and/or a belief keeping them would make this core grow were lost for dust. there are many more who were nHL tweeners who I didn't list.
  • JVR
  • Bozak
  • Barrie
  • Komarov
  • Ceci
  • Moore
  • Polak
  • Fehr
  • Plekanec
  • Foligno
  • Andersen
  • Nash
  • Rittich
  • Hyman
  • Galchenyuk
  • Bogosian
  • Hutton
  • Noesen
  • Rosen
  • Marincin
  • Thornton
  • Clifford
  • Gauthier
  • Gardiner
  • Hainsey
  • Ennis
 
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centipede2233 said:
About the pick for,Hyman, who cares. Dubas spends 1st rd picks like a Beverley hills housewife spends money. And he’s grovelling over whether it’s a 6th or 4th or whatever. I don’t like dubas as a gm, I think he is horrible. Every time I see him do an interview his thinking of what is a successful team to him should look like in a contact sport like hockey with a salary cap is baffling. He was just on tim and friends and was defiant that the core will stay together. When asked about the flat cap, his response “ well everyone has to deal with a flat cap”. Well dubie, not everyone has to deal with half there cap tied up in 4 players! I am 100% convinced, this is his ship and he is going down with it. When the leafs miss the playoffs next year, dubie will be fired just like the other GM’s before him.
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Dubas is a bit of a master manipulator, he comes off as a golly shucks school boy, when in fact he's just a manipulative little *****.
 
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3 picks in the draft.

The Leafs haven't had fewer than 5 picks in any draft since the 1960s. Having so few picks and zero playoff success to show for it is very problematic.
 
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Eternal Leaf said:
I think it's good he's sticking to his ask.

It's an investment in letting the league know you are not a pushover in negotiations.
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I agree with this point. I'm happy Dubas did this and I hope he continues not being such a pushover.

The one thing that bothers me though is him announcing on twitter that he's not going to be a pushover. It's like going into the playground in grade 4 and yelling to Nelson Muntz and co. that you're not afraid of them. Not the best approach. Just keep your mouth shut and quietly outwit them. Play them at their own game.
 
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Leaf Fans said:
Edmonton was never offering a free draft pick. They would want something for it. No team is going to give away a draft pick. This is yet another bashing thread. This time you made up the cause.
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$400k in cap space savings is "something". That's the number Sportsnet is guessing they would save.
 
This isn't even his worst asset management. Hell, I'd rather not give the Oilers cap savings for a 6th or whatever useless pick they schlepping.
 
Wing84 said:
The only player that the leafs really needed to resign, that is headed to free agency. That totally misguided pajama boy signing is the gift that keeps on giving.
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If the Islanders had offered Tavares for Hyman at the time, would you have taken the deal?
 
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supermann_98 said:
Doubt he'll be able to use that reputational investment he's built for more than another year anyway, unless another team owner wants a GM who'll destroy the teams salary structure with no return on investment
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I would bet that Dubas get's picked up almost immediately by another team.
 
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