Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[DcW]

I’ve been critical of Dubas and don’t like the McCann expansion plan, Morgan contract but glad he’s sticking to his guns here. He’s been criticized for being a push over but glad he’s sticking to his guns.
Hopefully there are some more cut throat decisions coming

 

[Prominence]

I’ve been critical of Dubas and don’t like the McCann expansion plan, Morgan contract but glad he’s sticking to his guns here. He’s been criticized for being a push over but glad he’s sticking to his guns.
Hopefully there are some more cut throat decisions coming

Not attacking you, but what so you mean by morgan contract?

 

[cupcrazyman]

2021 Missing 1st 3rd 4th 7th
2022 Missing 3rd 4th 5th 6tn
2023 Missing 7th

Keep it up Dubas

 

[DcW]

Not attacking you, but what so you mean by morgan contract?

When asked he said something to the effect of “we’ve been focused on expansion and the draft and we’ll circle back on Morgan”. I’d think if trading him is a consideration (which I think it should be ) this weekend would have been where the greatest value would be. Maybe suitors who miss out on UFA’s could be come desperate but imo the draft would have been the best time to move him

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I hope Dubas lets Holland rot with the lost of $400,000 cap space unless we get a 3 rd round pick. A 6 th or 7th pick has very little value.
Cap space really is King in a flat cap. It’s more valuable than previous actually.

 

[Prominence]

When asked he said something to the effect of “we’ve been focused on expansion and the draft and we’ll circle back on Morgan”. I’d think if trading him is a consideration (which I think it should be ) this weekend would have been where the greatest value would be. Maybe suitors who miss out on UFA’s could be come desperate but imo the draft would have been the best time to move him

Thanks for the clarification! I thought we got another morgan or extended this one or something.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

The leafs helped Edmonton out significantly by allowing them the no pressure negotiating period where plan B players aren't at risk of being lost too. It also helped Hyman.

Helping Hyman and Holland increase their organizations chances of success on top of it by helping their lower his cap hit for a pick with like .005 percent odds of making the team is a bit of a slap in the face. We should not be going out of our way to accommodate another team signing a player we wanted to retain. 500,000 in cap space is 500,000 in cap space.

I was thinking about this. Did the Leafs give the Oilers exclusive rights to negotiate with Hyman, or did they allow Hyman’s agent the ability to negotiate with all 31 other teams which eventually led to the Oilers and Hyman came to a handshake agreement that just needs to be finalized?

If the former, then yeah, the Leafs should ask for more; although I’d imagine they would have formally traded his exclusive rights. If the latter, then Holland and the Oilers have every right just as well to not accommodate another team which knows it is going to lose their player by offering a higher pick.

The NHL is hardly a “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch my back” business, unfortunately.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

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2022 Missing 3rd 4th 5th 6tn
2023 Missing 7th

Keep it up Dubas

Lots of playoff teams are in the same situation. Colorado, Washington, Pittsburgh, NYI, Boston, Edmonton, Tampa all traded a bunch of draft picks this year.

Minnesota is really the only one that kept all of their picks for this years draft.

This was the best Leafs team in ages with great depth that royally screwed themselves out of an easy run to the final 4. It was the right thing to do, it just didn't work out.

Unless you're a fan of Tampa you can lament any GM for trading picks at the deadline because you didn't win the cup.

 

[Antropovsky]

I was thinking about this. Did the Leafs give the Oilers exclusive rights to negotiate with Hyman, or did they allow Hyman’s agent the ability to negotiate with all 31 other teams which eventually led to the Oilers and Hyman came to a handshake agreement that just needs to be finalized?

If the former, then yeah, the Leafs should ask for more; although I’d imagine they would have formally traded his exclusive rights. If the latter, then Holland and the Oilers have every right just as well to not accommodate another team which knows it is going to lose their player by offering a higher pick.

The NHL is hardly a “I’ll scratch your back if you scratch my back” business, unfortunately.

Yes he allowed Hymans agent to talk to anyone.

 

[Rude Dog]

Can’t believe Dubas didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to add a FREE draft pick from Edmonton.

He’s had several instances of brutal asset mismanagement but this is the absolute worst. By far.

Look at other teams around the league accumulating assets by taking on bad contracts. Dubas didn’t even need to add one cent in contracts and he could have picked up a draft pick.

Refusing to take a free draft pick because he didn’t want to help Edmonton save a few hundred thousand in cap space is laughable.

Your post is not well thought out. Oilers want to steal one of our players? I expect Dubas to make them pay via a higher cap hit or adequate comp. who cares about a 6th. Sends a msg.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Yes he allowed Hymans agent to talk to anyone.

Then Dubas doesn’t have much leverage here in trying to squeeze a pick a couple rounds higher, in my opinion. Particularly if Edmonton is content with one less year and a slight higher cap hit, which sounds like they are.

 

[Antropovsky]

Then Dubas doesn’t have much leverage here in trying to squeeze a pick a couple rounds higher, in my opinion. Particularly if Edmonton is content with one less year and a slight higher cap hit, which sounds like they are.

I think the rumor is they want to...but don't want to pay Dubas asking price. But yeah... agreed I'm content with getting nothing, and rather that then improve Edmonton's cap situation.

 

[Smif]

2021 Missing 1st 3rd 4th 7th
2022 Missing 3rd 4th 5th 6tn
2023 Missing 7th

Keep it up Dubas

Do 18, 19, and 2020 now...

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I think the rumor is they want to...but don't want to pay Dubas asking price. But yeah... agreed I'm content with getting nothing, and rather that then improve Edmonton's cap situation.

I think the Oilers are content either way too.

 

[Bellefour20]

This team's playbook went right out the window with covid and multi-year cap freeze. Can't fault him for that. Cap space just increased in value many times over in the blink of an eye. Holland is either unaware of that fact or trying to pull one over on Dubas. Can't fault him for holding out. This is the one time where I am glad he holds his ground to get fair market value to help the Oilers with their cap. I was so upset to see JVR, Bozak, Komarov, Gardiner, etc all walk without even getting a 7th. Under different circumstances, I would have expected to get something for Hyman too, but a cap freeze is a big deal. Holland and Oilers fans need to figure it out. If they want to rot in cap hell, so be it.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Do 18, 19, and 2020 now...

Your joking right? Doing 18, 19, and 20 would make Dubas' asset management look excellent. This is not the thread for that. You would have to change the title for accuracy.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Do 18, 19, and 2020 now...

We selected 30 players in those 3 years. It’s ok to dislike Dubas but no need to cherry pick to make the guy look bad. Glad you pointed this out

 

[Dayjobdave]

I think it's good he's sticking to his ask.

It's an investment in letting the league know you are not a pushover in negotiations.

100% this.
Lou did the same thing here. Let Holland eat the extra 500k per. Maybe next time when we set a price we get it. You have to make the other GMs believe you will walk or you’ll never get your price.

a 6th is a cheap price to send that message

 

[Metroid]

Shut up Donnie. Go to bed

 

[Lauro]

Another horrible bullshit thread.

 

[supermann_98]

I think it's good he's sticking to his ask.

It's an investment in letting the league know you are not a pushover in negotiations.

Doubt he'll be able to use that reputational investment he's built for more than another year anyway, unless another team owner wants a GM who'll destroy the teams salary structure with no return on investment

 

[TDotMassive]

Can’t believe Dubas didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to add a FREE draft pick from Edmonton.

He’s had several instances of brutal asset mismanagement but this is the absolute worst. By far.

Look at other teams around the league accumulating assets by taking on bad contracts. Dubas didn’t even need to add one cent in contracts and he could have picked up a draft pick.

Refusing to take a free draft pick because he didn’t want to help Edmonton save a few hundred thousand in cap space is laughable.

I actually prefer that we shafted Edmonton on $500k in cap space for 8 years. That's worth more than a 6th or 7th round pick.

 

[Ulysses31]

Trading their 1st for i forget who was bad

 

[Donnie740]

Dubas has had a rough tenor as GM.

That’s a huge understatement.

No GM in NHL history has accomplished less With more than Dubas has inToronto.

The guy has essentially squandered away virtually all of this years draft picks and some of next years and all he got was yet another humiliating playoff collapse.

Dubas has been absolutely horrific.

 

[Leaf Fans]

That’s a huge understatement.

No GM in NHL history has accomplished less With more than Dubas has inToronto.

The guy has essentially squandered away virtually all of this years draft picks and some of next years and all he got was yet another humiliating playoff collapse.

Dubas has been absolutely horrific.

Those are lies.