Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[Antropovsky]

Three this year. I still include Jones as he was signed to the 8 year extension.

Lol your including a non ufa under contract asset who was allowed to "negotiate for trade" with a ufa who was allowed to negotiate to sign for free?

Jones negotiating with teams was an advantage to Columbus as he was more valuable to the Chicago ifnhe agreed to a contract extension. Columbus got a much better deal for Jones BECAUSE Jones negotiated with teams.

It's crazy you don't see the difference between Jones situation and Hyman

 

[Namikaze Minato]

It makes me laugh some of you are willing to cry and cry over a 6th round pick and then turn around and criticize who the Leafs draft in the 6th round. Easily one of the pound for pound dumbest fanbases in sports.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Lol your including a non ufa under contract asset who was allowed to "negotiate for trade" with a ufa who was allowed to negotiate to sign for free?

Jones negotiating with teams was an advantage to Columbus as he was more valuable to the Chicago ifnhe agreed to a contract extension. Columbus got a much better deal for Jones BECAUSE Jones negotiated with teams.

It's crazy you don't see the difference between Jones situation and Hyman

Yes, I am because he was signed to the eighth year and traded. You are right, he had a year left before being a UFA, but I included him as a sign and trade and because of the permission give to talk to other teams.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Not happy with him but this i like. About time he stopped being a pushover. Maybe it will rub off on his players ))))

 

[Wafflewhipper]

It makes me laugh some of you are willing to cry and cry over a 6th round pick and then turn around and criticize who the Leafs draft in the 6th round. Easily one of the pound for pound dumbest fanbases in sports.

Lots are not as old as their shoe size man ha

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Dubas is just picking a fight for when we take McDavid off their hands

 

[trellaine201]

Dubas has had a rough tenor as GM.

 

[Racer88]

I think it's good he's sticking to his ask.

It's an investment in letting the league know you are not a pushover in negotiations.

Hahaha to late for that

 

[makbeer]

Can’t believe Dubas didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to add a FREE draft pick from Edmonton.

He’s had several instances of brutal asset mismanagement but this is the absolute worst. By far.

Look at other teams around the league accumulating assets by taking on bad contracts. Dubas didn’t even need to add one cent in contracts and he could have picked up a draft pick.

Refusing to take a free draft pick because he didn’t want to help Edmonton save a few hundred thousand in cap space is laughable.

Of all the examples you could use to show off Dubas' poor asset management, you chose this hill to die on?

 

[Torontonian]

This isn't one of those things that's just for this year, Toronto signing and trading Hyman helps Edmonton for the next 8 years with getting him at a lower AAV. I think its fair to want more then a 6th round draft pick for helping them for the next 8 years, even if its at 500k a season. I don't mind him not accepting a sixth round pick if it means he's sticking to his guns.

Judging by his comments made today by Dubas, it sound's like he's tired of teams trying to take advantage of us and then other teams expecting us to help them out for little compensation. Perhaps its self inflected because of his past but at least he's growing some balls.

 

[leafsfan5]

There are valid reasons to criticize Dubas, this is not one of them

 

[Guy Boucher]

The Leafs got a 5th to retain minimal salary on Robin Lehner for a quarter of a season.
The Leafs paid a 4th for other teams to retain salary on Nick Foligno, and so did Tampa on Denis Savard.

This is helping the Oilers save 500K for the next 7 years. It's worth a heck of a lot more.Offering a 6th is stupid, because the value of a 6th is minimal.

I'd rather make it more difficult for the Oilers to compete with us for free agents. Let them have less cap space when they're trying to ice a winner during McDavid's prime. I'm totally cool with getting 'nothing' when the alternative is a measly 6th or 7th rounder.

 

[mapleleafs34]

It makes me laugh some of you are willing to cry and cry over a 6th round pick and then turn around and criticize who the Leafs draft in the 6th round. Easily one of the pound for pound dumbest fanbases in sports.

The dumbest fanbase period. It hurts my eyes reading some of the comments on here

 

[Brobust]

Special fanbase.

 

[Brown Dog]

 

[TheTotalPackage]

This is one of the weirdest and stupidest stalemates over a player I have ever seen.

The Leafs aren’t going to re-sign Hyman, but they’re holding out for a higher pick.

The Oilers don’t want to give more than a 6th and are willing to sign him for one less year at a slightly higher cap hit regardless.

Neither team wants to blink. The Oilers will get their guy either way, so they can stand firm. The Leafs will lose their guy knowingly, but will get nothing out of it despite being offered something. If Dubas wants to stand ground so Edmonton has to add more to lower their cap and to “help” them, all the power to him. But I do find it ironic that he’ll jump through hoops to acquire “free” picks some silly (screwy) way, but won’t take a free pick now for a guy he knows he’s losing over $500K on another team’s cap.

 

[ER89]

Can’t believe Dubas didn’t take advantage of the opportunity to add a FREE draft pick from Edmonton.

He’s had several instances of brutal asset mismanagement but this is the absolute worst. By far.

Look at other teams around the league accumulating assets by taking on bad contracts. Dubas didn’t even need to add one cent in contracts and he could have picked up a draft pick.

Refusing to take a free draft pick because he didn’t want to help Edmonton save a few hundred thousand in cap space is laughable.

You can crap on dubas for a lot but this is a terribly stupid take. Like completely asinine. First, if your peers know you will always cave you will never be able to get decent trades. Secondly, we don't need the sixth. Its literally nothing. Watching a team have cap problems down the road means more assets can be plundered from that org. Thirdly, if you take a low valuation you set a precedent as to what you're willing to take.

Honestly this is such a stupid take you should feel bad.

 

[Stonehands1990]

if the worst case of asset mismanagement by far is not taking a 6th round pick to let , it's a ringing endorsement of his asset management ability.

Let's look at some of the moves Dubas has made in his time as GM:
-Traded Nolan Vesey for a conditional 7th round pick.
-He picked up a 5th round pick last year to retain some of Lehner's salary.
-He picked up a 4th round pick to take Clarkson's salary away from Vegas
-Traded Carrick for a conditional 7th round pick
-Traded Gordeev for a conditional 7th round pick

It has absolutely nothing to do with him not wanting to get a "free pick"

Yeah OP is out to lunch. I’m critical of Dubas but I can appreciate sticking to your guns

 

[Stonehands1990]

You can crap on dubas for a lot but this is a terribly stupid take. Like completely asinine. First, if your peers know you will always cave you will never be able to get decent trades. Secondly, we don't need the sixth. Its literally nothing. Watching a team have cap problems down the road means more assets can be plundered from that org. Thirdly, if you take a low valuation you set a precedent as to what you're willing to take.

Honestly this is such a stupid take you should feel bad.

Maybe he’s the type of person who settles for anything in their personal lives therefore doesn’t understand valuation

 

[Havoc]

If you think Dubas should cave and take the 6th, you're also claiming that trading for exclusive rights should be more expensive than doing a 8 year sign and trade for another team so they can get a lower cap hit. I'm sure this is not a claim you want to make.

Market value for rights right now is a 5th and there's past precedent that pushes Hyman all the way up to a 4th. Heck , Jimmy f'in Vesey got a 3rd (someone correct if wrong).

Anywhere from a 2-4th for this sign and trade is market value.

Dubas has nothing to do with this. It's straight facts. Holland is a joke for suggesting a 6th and probably getting laughed at by other gms.

It's so embarrassing watching a Leafs board enraged Dubas isn't accepting the 6th.

 

[Antropovsky]

This is one of the weirdest and stupidest stalemates over a player I have ever seen.

The Leafs aren’t going to re-sign Hyman, but they’re holding out for a higher pick.

The Oilers don’t want to give more than a 6th and are willing to sign him for one less year at a slightly higher cap hit regardless.

Neither team wants to blink. The Oilers will get their guy either way, so they can stand firm. The Leafs will lose their guy knowingly, but will get nothing out of it despite being offered something. If Dubas wants to stand ground so Edmonton has to add more to lower their cap and to “help” them, all the power to him. But I do find it ironic that he’ll jump through hoops to acquire “free” picks some silly (screwy) way, but won’t take a free pick now for a guy he knows he’s losing over $500K on another team’s cap.

The leafs helped Edmonton out significantly by allowing them the no pressure negotiating period where plan B players aren't at risk of being lost too. It also helped Hyman.

Helping Hyman and Holland increase their organizations chances of success on top of it by helping their lower his cap hit for a pick with like .005 percent odds of making the team is a bit of a slap in the face. We should not be going out of our way to accommodate another team signing a player we wanted to retain. 500,000 in cap space is 500,000 in cap space.

 

[Aashir]

I get that people don’t like the guy, and some have reasonable points. I myself am not the biggest fan of his, but the timing and meaning of this post is a bit far. Hymans rights are causing this? For what a 5-6th? That’s causing this commotion? We’ve seen worse usages of assets literally a few days ago. We aren’t signing Hyman, he wants too much. This isn’t the end of the world. We have bigger things to worry about than this

 

[IrishInOntario]

Leafs got a first round exit and 3 draft picks this year....great!!!

While I was one of the most vehement anti Foligno guys on the board, nobody in this draft was going to help this teamxwin now, or in the foreseeable future. That's on guys like Sandin, Liljegren, Niemela, Amirov, Anderson, Abramov, Gogolev, etc.

Dubas needs to win a couple trades and make a difference in free agency.

 

[Antropovsky]

I get that people don’t like the guy, and some have reasonable points. I myself am not the biggest fan of his, but the timing and meaning of this post is a bit far. Hymans rights are causing this? For what a 5-6th? That’s causing this commotion? We’ve seen worse usages of assets literally a few days ago. We aren’t signing Hyman, he wants too much. This isn’t the end of the world. We have bigger things to worry about than this

Agreed, he's gone... Dubas move on and focus on the leafs, set the take it or leave it price and let Edmonton worry about their cap problems by themselves. Half a million per year can be a difference maker in a cap world.

 

[mikeyz]

Totally incompetent GM. When the dust settles he will go down as the worst

Fixed it for you. And yes, I really think he's going to go down as a GM that was even worse then JFJ. I really do.