Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[TDotMassive]

They both took on cap hits for those picks.

Getting a 6th from Edmonton would have cost the Leafs ZERO cap hit.

The value of cap space has gone up significantly in the flat-cap Covid world...

 

[Smif]

he wanted out , we wanted him out , there were more options than to let him dictate how this was going to be accomplished

Lou is far from perfect but i doubt he would have let PM dictate how he was going to depart our team .

He had a NMC.

 

[Smif]

This is so odd. This is not giving Edmonton any more cap savings, no matter the deal Hyman gets.
It is a "cap savings payment plan" versus a "cap savings lump sum plan".
After year 7, the Oilers have 5.1M in cap space opened to them. Which, is actually more in cap savings than the 8 year deal at roughly 500k a year, giving 4M in total cap savings.
Why would anyone pay a 2nd round pick for that?

Your math is off.

It's 5.1M per season over 8 years

OR

5.5M per season over 7 years.

 

[TDotMassive]

This is so odd. This is not giving Edmonton any more cap savings, no matter the deal Hyman gets.
It is a "cap savings payment plan" versus a "cap savings lump sum plan".
After year 7, the Oilers have 5.1M in cap space opened to them. Which, is actually more in cap savings than the 8 year deal at roughly 500k a year, giving 4M in total cap savings.
Why would anyone pay a 2nd round pick for that?

LOL... "after year 7" says it all

 

[hotpaws]

He had a NMC.

yes he did but that only means we can't move him without his consent , it doesn't mean we have to be dictated to as to where and how we move him because he wanted out

 

[hotpaws]

This is so odd. This is not giving Edmonton any more cap savings, no matter the deal Hyman gets.
It is a "cap savings payment plan" versus a "cap savings lump sum plan".
After year 7, the Oilers have 5.1M in cap space opened to them. Which, is actually more in cap savings than the 8 year deal at roughly 500k a year, giving 4M in total cap savings.
Why would anyone pay a 2nd round pick for that?

they probably wouldn't but it never hurts to ask but at the end of the day you hold out until the end and then take the best offer

 

[Shad5150]

Your math is off.

It's 5.1M per season over 8 years

OR

5.5M per season over 7 years.

So, 400k per year in cap savings. The seven year is even better then, as it only provides 2.8M in Dubas retention dollars, when the 7 year contract would have expired.
Again, Dubas is forcing the Oilers to take the better contract. Year 7, they'll have 5.1M free.

 

[Smif]

yes he did but that only means we can't move him without his consent , it doesn't mean we have to be dictated to as to where and how we move him because he wanted out

So you think there were better options just because?

 

[Smif]

So, 400k per year in cap savings. The seven year is even better then, as it only provides 2.8M in Dubas retention dollars, when the 7 year contract would have expired.
Again, Dubas is forcing the Oilers to take the better contract. Year 7, they'll have 5.1M free.

400K over 8 years in savings is 3.2M. I'm not sure how you got to 5.1M free after 7 years.

 

[hotpaws]

So you think there were better options just because?

of course there were better options including telling Marleau either he's flexible where he'd get traded to or they'd keep him

 

[Shad5150]

400K over 8 years in savings is 3.2M. I'm not sure how you got to 5.1M free after 7 years.

Yeah, think as if Hyman is on the seven year. Oilers now do not have to pay for the 8th year. A 5.1M cap savings, as the 7 year ends a year earlier versus havimg 400k per year spread out over that same seven years. No point adding the 8th year, when the contact is done at 7.
Again, it is cap savings spread out, or on a lump sum deferral.

 

[Smif]

of course there were better options including telling Marleau either he's flexible where he'd get traded to or they'd keep him

Keeping him wasn't an option, they needed his 6M in capspace.

 

[Donnie740]

400K over 8 years in savings is 3.2M. I'm not sure how you got to 5.1M free after 7 years.

Because the contract ENDS after seven years.

That means Hyman’s $5.5m boat anchor COMES OFF the Oilers salary cap in seven years.

Would be much more advantageous to have Edmonton take a $5.1m hit for the eighth year.

But strategic, long term planning has never been a strength of Dubas.

 

[Smif]

Yeah, think as if Hyman is on the seven year. Oilers now do not have to pay for the 8th year. A 5.1M cap savings, as the 7 year ends a year earlier versus havimg 400k per year spread out over that same seven years. No point adding the 8th year, when the contact is done at 7.
Again, it is cap savings spread out, or on a lump sum deferral.

I see what you're saying. All depends on how close to the cap they plan on being, they may really want that reduced amount per year.

 

[Smif]

Because the contract ENDS after seven years.

That means Hyman’s $5.5m boat anchor COMES OFF the Oilers salary cap in seven years.

Would be much more advantageous to have Edmonton take a $5.1m hit for the eighth year.

But strategic, long term planning has never been a strength of Dubas.

No GM thinks 7-8 years ahead. With this deal you certainly know Holland doesn't.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Because the contract ENDS after seven years.

That means Hyman’s $5.5m boat anchor COMES OFF the Oilers salary cap in seven years.

Would be much more advantageous to have Edmonton take a $5.1m hit for the eighth year.

But strategic, long term planning has never been a strength of Dubas.

5.5m on the cap gets us McDavid in a few years moreso than 5.1m. Edmonton won't be relevant once McDavid leaves, so year 8 is not really our concern.

Get a good pick or screw them on cap hit.

 

[Shad5150]

I see what you're saying. All depends on how close to the cap they plan on being, they may really want that reduced amount per year.

Right, I just don't see 2nd round value in that, to be honest.

By the way, both contracts are awful, lol.

 

[hotpaws]

Keeping him wasn't an option, they needed his 6M in capspace.

it was an option , they could have moved Kap and Mango

but it wouldn't have came to that because Marleau would have been more reasonable on where he'd accept a trade too if Dubas didn't let him walk all over him

 

[hotpaws]

No GM thinks 7-8 years ahead. With this deal you certainly know Holland doesn't.

yup , that contract will be for the next GM to worry about

 

[Smif]

Right, I just don't see 2nd round value in that, to be honest.

By the way, both contracts are awful, lol.

Agreed on both. Should be a 4th.

 

[Smif]

it was an option , they could have moved Kap and Mango

but it wouldn't have came to that because Marleau would have been more reasonable on where he accept a trade too if Dubas didn't let him walk all over him

Kap and Mango were worth more than a 1st so to me it was a fine decision.

 

[hotpaws]

Kap and Mango were worth more than a 1st so to me it was a fine decision.

we weren't letting them walk for free so we would have kept our 1st and gained the assets from trading them on top

 

[Donnie740]

5.5m on the cap gets us McDavid in a few years moreso than 5.1m. Edmonton won't be relevant once McDavid leaves, so year 8 is not really our concern.

Get a good pick or screw them on cap hit.

You’re living in a dream world if you think the Oilers are going to lose McDavid if they’re paying Hyman an extra $400k.

I’m cringing at how laughable your comment is.

 

[A1LeafNation]

You’re living in a dream world if you think the Oilers are going to lose McDavid if they’re paying Hyman an extra $400k.

I’m cringing at how laughable your comment is.

They will lose McDavid regardless if they don't win anything, bad cap management will be icing on the cake.

Your cringing at something you can't read between the lines from. Lol.

 

[Donnie740]

we weren't letting them walk for free so we would have kept our 1st and gained the assets from trading them on top

This is a perfect example of Dubas asset mismanagement.

Gives away a 1st and 7th so he can pay Kapanen.

A year later gives away Kapanen to get a 1st back - - two spots later than his original pick - - and Flip Hallander

A year after that, gives away Hallander and a 7th for Jared McCann.

Then gives away McCann in the expansion draft.

Should have just ate the last year of Marleau’s deal and traded Kapanen as an RFA.