Kyle Dubas - - Horrible Asset Mismanagement

[Leaf Fans]

This is a perfect example of Dubas asset mismanagement.

Gives away a 1st and 7th so he can pay Kapanen.

A year later gives away Kapanen to get a 1st back - - two spots later than his original pick - - and Flip Hallander

A year after that, gives away Hallander and a 7th for Jared McCann.

Then gives away McCann in the expansion draft.

Should have just ate the last year of Marleau’s deal and traded Kapanen as an RFA.

Every team "gave away" players in the expansion draft. Every team also "gives away" players to other teams.

 

[RoadWarrior]

You missed main part of his message that was about seeing things balanced. Not all-good or all-bad depending whose making decisions like we are mostly doing now. That was great post and I fully agree with @6ix about these message boards at the moment.

This is best place to discuss about Leafs and this is terrible and full of hate. Like said. Toxic.

If you follow league closely you see that other GMs make mistakes too, even Lou. Dubas isn't perfect GM, far from it. It's just stupid to looks things from certain perspective and ignore facts like some people here does. Eventually all contributors to this board will leave and whiners will pump up one-liners. Moderation here is a joke.

I'm on the verge of leaving this board or following other than games. Not because of the team, because of the fans. If I'd be a player I don't know if I'd like to play for Toronto fans. All say that Toronto will be great city to win, but until that it seems like pretty low, small minded and petty place, if this board mirrors it at all. Been following this team since early 90s and haven't been this frustrated since that and it's mostly because this is so f***ing manic that you cannot really follow this team without bumping to these obnoxious and stupid discussions.

It's been 50+ years now. The fans have a right to be disappointed, particularly with the talent level on the current team.

During the Ballard years the Leafs were the loveable losers like the Chicago cubs. However despite the losing they were at least entertaining and likeable with guys like Wendel and Salming in the lineup.

The current roster is full of immensely talented and immature players who act supremely entitled while achieving nothing. Outside of Muzzin, Spezza and Rielly I'm not sure I like any of these guys.

The fans ae not the problem. The team is the problem.

 

[Donnie740]

They will lose McDavid regardless if they don't win anything, bad cap management will be icing on the cake.

Your cringing at something you can't read between the lines from. Lol.

There’s not a chance in hell of the Oilers losing McDavid as you foolishly proclaimed because they can’t afford him due to the extra $400k Hyman gets.

The only way the Oilers lose McDavid is if he decides he wants out.

And I can absolutely 100% assure you McDavid isn’t going to suddenly demand a trade because Hyman is making $5.5m instead of $5.1m.

 

[A1LeafNation]

There’s not a chance in hell of the Oilers losing McDavid as you foolishly proclaimed because they can’t afford him due to the extra $400k Hyman gets.

The only way the Oilers lose McDavid is if he decides he wants out.

And I can absolutely 100% assure you McDavid isn’t going to suddenly demand a trade because Hyman is making $5.5m instead of $5.1m.

Lol yeah go back and read until it makes sense. You are missing something there.

 

[Donnie740]

Every team "gave away" players in the expansion draft. Every team also "gives away" players to other teams.

How many teams traded a prospect and a draft pick to acquire a guy they promptly lost in the expansion draft?

I can only think of one GM who was dumb enough to do that.

A few teams like Pittsburgh and Calgary even managed to dump boat anchor contracts to create some desperately needed cap room.

Others lost UFAs - - whom they can easily re-sign if they actually want them.

 

[keonsbitterness]

They will lose McDavid regardless if they don't win anything, bad cap management will be icing on the cake.

If McDavid decided not to re-sign, he'd give the Oilers permission to trade him and a list of teams he'd accept.

 

[Leaf Fans]

How many teams traded a prospect and a draft pick to acquire a guy they promptly lost in the expansion draft?

I can only think of one GM who was dumb enough to do that.

A few teams like Pittsburgh and Calgary even managed to dump boat anchor contracts to create some desperately needed cap room.

Others lost UFAs - - whom they can easily re-sign if they actually want them.

I don't think any other team did that. They could have but they too late. The Leafs didn't lose a roster player - many teams did.

 

[Donnie740]

Lol yeah go back and read until it makes sense. You are missing something there.

Wait, not only are you projecting Edmonton will lose McDavid because Hyman gets an extra $400k, you’re also proclaiming the Leafs will sign him.

Thanks for the laughs, my friend.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Wait, not only are you projecting Edmonton will lose McDavid because Hyman gets an extra $400k, you’re also proclaiming the Leafs will sign him.

Thanks for the laughs, my friend.

If McDavid chooses free agency, any team can sign him.

 

[Donnie740]

I don't think any other team did that. They could have but they too late. The Leafs didn't lose a roster player - many teams did.

“Losing a player” was addition by subtraction for Pittsburgh.

That’s the difference between having an experienced hockey guy like Brian Burke instead of a clueless little kid like Dubas.

Knowing they’d lose McCann, the Pens somehow duped Dubas into giving up a prospect and a draft pick for him.

Pittsburgh was then able to dump their worst contract onto Seattle. Getting rid of a 4th liner who has the fifth highest cap hit of forwards on the team with FOUR (4) more years remaining was a HUGE win for Pittsburgh.

 

[Leaf Fans]

“Losing a player” was addition by subtraction for Pittsburgh.

That’s the difference between having an experienced hockey guy like Brian Burke instead of a clueless little kid like Dubas.

Knowing they’d lose McCann, the Pens somehow duped Dubas into giving up a prospect and a draft pick for him.

Pittsburgh was then able to dump their worst contract onto Seattle. Getting rid of a 4th liner who has the fifth highest cap hit of forwards on the team with FOUR (4) more years remaining was a HUGE win for Pittsburgh.

They lost Brandon Tanev who is obviously not a fourth liner. The Leafs didn't have to give up a roster player. Both teams did well as did Seattle.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Wait, not only are you projecting Edmonton will lose McDavid because Hyman gets an extra $400k, you’re also proclaiming the Leafs will sign him.

Thanks for the laughs, my friend.

Lol youve given me quite laugh too. Lol.

 

[Menzinger]

They lost Brandon Tanev who is obviously not a fourth liner. The Leafs didn't have to give up a roster player. Both teams did well as did Seattle.

Tanev was on pace for 41 points. He's definitely not a 4th liner.

 

[ACC1224]

Keeping him wasn't an option, they needed his 6M in capspace.

Yep. GMing 101, never limit your options.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well, it would be also interesting build to realize mid playoffs that your team was good enough but you didn't push and you have to play if games. Last year was perfect year for going all-in and we did it, because we assumed that we have long playoffs ahead. I see no reason for Dubas to think that Matthews and Marner go that cold or that Tavares gets into that freak accident. He would be an idiot boss if he implies to his team prior playoffs that they aren't good enough.

If Dubas assumed that we had a long playoffs ahead then he was obviously dead wrong. When you're the guy in charge and you're dead wrong, expect to take some heat. And the offence as a whole goes cold every spring and completely freezes over in deciding games so yes, there was plenty of reason to think it could happen again.

Elite players will figure out playoffs eventually. Someone here pointed out that Matthews have been youngest player on the roster for years, Marner is year younger. That is something to remember. There is a reason why it's hard to break trough even as 21-22 year old.

And others have pointed out, there are plenty of stars around the league who are just as young or even younger who's production doesn't take a huge hit the minute the playoffs start. But if they're too young to be counted on when the going gets tough, then it was a massive mistake to pay them as if they were the best players in the league, you can't have it both ways.

 

[Koolboss]

Ah been waiting for Dubas fanboys to turn on him. Lol loving it
What took you so long?

 

[JayfromNB1219]

Not a thing wrong with holding Holland’s feet to the fire, he overpaid for Keith there is NO WAY he should get anything easy from us…good for Dubas for not caving for a 6th…the guy is walking and he’s worth more than a 6th for his rights…don’t accept scraps just because Hyman is going to do what he planned on doing anyways. Let the oilers eat that extra 500K/per if they don’t want to play ball

 

[yubbers]

of course there were better options including telling Marleau either he's flexible where he'd get traded to or they'd keep him

Then miss the playoffs in what would've been his final year. Hahaha. I'm cry laughing

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm so sick of the excuse that these kids are young, we shouldn't expect too much of them (despite being among the highest paid players in the world), as they're "not in their prime yet" and they will eventually "figure it out". Just for fun, I looked up the stats for some of the biggest stars in the league over the last decade at NHL Stats, History, Scores, & Records | Hockey-Reference.com and here's what I found:

Sidney Crosby had his highest point totals when he was 19, 2nd best season at 22 and 3rd best at 26.

Ovechkin had his highest point totals when he was 22, 2nd best at 23 and 3rd best at 24.

Stamkos has his highest point totals when he was 28, 2nd best at 19 and 3rd best at 20.

According to NHL Stats, History, Scores, & Records | Hockey-Reference.com, this was the age 23 season for both Marner and Matthews. If they're too young to figure it out, I guess they're not the elite players they were thought to be when they were paid like they were the best in the world. Other elite players "figured it out" at a younger age, time to stop making excuses for these guys.

One of these days the apologists are going to wake up and wonder whatever happened to the "prime years". Time goes by fast ...

 

[TDotMassive]

Because the contract ENDS after seven years.

That means Hyman’s $5.5m boat anchor COMES OFF the Oilers salary cap in seven years.

Would be much more advantageous to have Edmonton take a $5.1m hit for the eighth year.

But strategic, long term planning has never been a strength of Dubas.

Oilers window is likely over 7-8 years out from next season... so you're hurting them after it likely doesn't matter as much, and when the Covid effects on the cap have ended, the cap is probably much higher in 8 years.

Better to hurt them now, when their main compete window is aligned with ours, which will likely be over the next 5-7 year span as both teams' stars all prime out.

 

[AvroArrow]

People are upset that he didn't wanna get bent over to help EDM save 500K in cap space ? A 6th round pick for 500k in cap space is a joke lol, good on Dubas for trying to change the narrative of him as a GM.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I'm so sick of the excuse that these kids are young, we shouldn't expect too much of them (despite being among the highest paid players in the world), as they're "not in their prime yet" and they will eventually "figure it out". Just for fun, I looked up the stats for some of the biggest stars in the league over the last decade at NHL Stats, History, Scores, & Records | Hockey-Reference.com and here's what I found:

Sidney Crosby had his highest point totals when he was 19, 2nd best season at 22 and 3rd best at 26.

Ovechkin had his highest point totals when he was 22, 2nd best at 23 and 3rd best at 24.

Stamkos has his highest point totals when he was 28, 2nd best at 19 and 3rd best at 20.

According to NHL Stats, History, Scores, & Records | Hockey-Reference.com, this was the age 23 season for both Marner and Matthews. If they're too young to figure it out, I guess they're not the elite players they were thought to be when they were paid like they were the best in the world. Other elite players "figured it out" at a younger age, time to stop making excuses for these guys.

One of these days the apologists are going to wake up and wonder whatever happened to the "prime years". Time goes by fast ...

Aside from the poor performances individually we also have a coaching problem with the leafs. Keefe and Co. are inexperienced and fail to adapt to opposition tactics especially in the playoffs. Even if Marner and Matthews suddenly find their games in the post season they likely won't be utilized properly by the coaching staff.

 

[Donnie740]

that these kids are young, we shouldn't expect too much of them (despite being among the highest paid players

One of these days the apologists are going to wake up and wonder whatever happened to the "prime years". Time goes by fast ...

The Dubas Fan Boi apologists will never acknowledge their hero is a total failure who in way over his head trying to be an NHL GM.

They’ll just change their screen names and get new accounts here.

 

[Dekes For Days]

but it wouldn't have came to that because Marleau would have been more reasonable on where he'd accept a trade too if Dubas didn't let him walk all over him

This is completely baseless. Marleau had to go, he had a NMC (because of Lou), and only agreed to be traded if he was sent to San Jose (who couldn't afford him), or somewhere to be bought out so he could sign in San Jose, which meant there was a deadline for the transaction and very, very few potential trade partners.

 

[Bomber0104]

People are upset that he didn't wanna get bent over to help EDM save 500K in cap space ? A 6th round pick for 500k in cap space is a joke lol, good on Dubas for trying to change the narrative of him as a GM.

Too little too late.

Maybe he should've taken a greater stand against our three $11 million players who keep busting every year in the playoffs instead of going after the low-hanging fruit.