Speculation: Kucherov Will Not Attend Training Camp
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Number1RedWingsFan52
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New Jersey is pretty much the only team that has the cap, To offer sheet Kucherov $8 million and still have some cap to work with. But i don't see NJ wanting to give up those picks.
InfinityIggy
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Personally I think with Gaudreau/Kucherov, once one signs the other will get their deal done shortly after.
Hictor Vedman*
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He'd be the perfect winger to compliment Hall though. It'd be smart for them to do it.
But they won't. The Devils are too chill.
The Carolina Hurricanes have even more Cap space than the Devils.
Why wouldn't a GM just offer a 5 year deal instead of 7? A 5 year, $7.5 million Offer Sheet would only cost a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd round pick.
Because TB would match. It might make sense for an Atlantic team to do it, just to keep TB from signing its stars to tax-enduced discounts. Otherwise though, it'd be hard to actually land Kucherov without giving up four 1sts. And you don't want TB picking 8 times in the first round over the next four years.
Even that's no guarantee though. Kucherov is under no obligation to actually sign an offer sheet sent his way - he can simply come to Yzerman with the offer and ask him to match or beat it in real (post-tax) dollars. They can then structure the deal however they want without being obligated to match the offer sheet.
From Kucherov's standpoint I would think that a high-dollar RFA deal which allows him to become a UFA ASAP (and sign an even bigger deal for his prime) would be the ideal situation. Could be wrong, it seems from recent reports that the two sides are pretty far apart.
No team is going to offer Kucherov the kind of deal that puts him into UFA status as soon as possible. That's a poor use of the assets it would cost if the Bolts decline to match.
With Lou Lamoriello, this was 100% true. Now with Shero, THANKFULLY, we are more active. The Hall and Palmieri trades show that.
I would absolutely give up the picks for him. We can afford the cap hit no problem. The cap should continue to creep up every year and no one of consequence needs a new contract for I think at least 3 years. Anton Volchenkov's buyout and Ryane Clowe's contracts come off the books next year.
That would leave us with:
Hall-Henrique-Kucherov
Boucher-Zajac-Palmieri
Cammalleri-Zacha-Bennett
Kalinin-Fiddler-Smith Pelley
I'm cool with that.
NHLnumbers.com says the Bolts have 6.231m in cap space with 2 roster spots open (13f, 6d, 2g). I'd offer him 5 years for 6.5 per year. They will have closer to 5m in space once they carry a 22nd and 23rd player.
I'm sure Kucherov would be cool with playing on a line with Hall and Henrique who are also signed long term and then have the chance to be UFA and cash in even bigger when he's 28.
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Four years of Kucherov for 1-2 first round picks, a 2nd, and 3rd? Doesn't sound too terrible to me.
That last sentence is hard to know. The media was reporting that yzerman's initial offer to stamkos was borderline insulting. And then stamkos signed it.
So you think a team is going to offer Kucherov a 4 year deal at a minimum of 7.5 mil, give up two first round picks, a 2nd, and a 3rd and get no additional value out of said deal? I really doubt that.
Isn't the value in the player? Picks are just picks. While people are hesitant to give them up, each pick is a complete gamble on a player no one will know until draft time PLUS a few years of development in juniors/AHL. No GM can say with certainty that they could keep those picks and guarantee one of them will turn into a similar player. I'll take the 23 year old stud winger.
Zippy316
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Coming from the GM that traded Adam Larsson for Taylor Hall?
I don't think the Devils do it, but I don't get how being too chill is the reason.
I don't understand. You get one of the top RWs in the league playing for your team for 4 years. That's a pretty huge value. Teams give up 1st round picks for a middling rental just for one playoff run.
The value is in the contract too let's not fool ourselves here.
At a premium rate plus the cost of assets. At the end of the day, that's not that great of value given Kucherov's production. Great production no doubt but it's questionable to be worth that much. Plus, this doesn't even get into the conversation of who can actually afford that price tag in this stage of the game. There are very few teams that have the cap space and the assets needed to field that level of an offer sheet.
deckercky
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I think 2-3 years at $7.5M would be a bigger issue for Tampa. It's only a 1st, a 2nd and a 3rd, but makes him tough to fit in now, gives him a high qualifying offer (could be structured with a QO at $8M or more), and if he keeps playing well, he'll be up for a raise in a few years which will be tough to fit.
Puts the new team in a bit of a bind too, but for not too many assets out the door they get a great player.
Puts the new team in a bit of a bind too, but for not too many assets out the door they get a great player.
That's an easy match for Tampa. Cutting two mil off the cap won't be very difficult to make work. Send down Drouin, Koekkoek, and Filppula and bring up a cheap forward contract until a deal can be made elsewhere.
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deckercky
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And if it's a 2 year contract with an $8M or $8.5M qualifying offer?
edit: Also, players with NMC generally don't let themselves get waived.
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