Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[rangers1314]

Go back and read the GDT? Because that is not a navigational nightmare of emotional opinions…that includes myself at times.

Sam and Joe? Yeah Sam cannot even tell who is on the ice, God Bless his Soul. And Joe is the typical soft serve vanilla that raves about everyone and everything.

Please. This is not good for your health.

Yeah, I love Sam but the broadcast is Rangers State Television at this point. It's YES Network level homerism.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Not to mention Kravtsov has proven he can play in the KHL and make millions there. To not factor that into the handling of a player is stupid.

Its not like he set the KHL on fire either. He was his teams 7th leading scorer last season (albeit in 7-9 less games). I'm 100% rooting for the kid to be great but his attitude is coming off as entitled. If you are a great player then show us on the ice not via words.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I believe both were penalties.

Agreed, but they very clearly missed a penalty on Kravtsov and everyone agreed the reffing was an abomination. So I don’t think using the refs calling a penalty should be an argument for how good a player was. Gauthier didn’t score a single goal in the preseason. Kravtsov was better than Gauthier and is the better player in general. He is also better than several guys who made the cut. Even defensively if we want to make that argument

 

[EdJovanovski]

Its not like he set the KHL on fire either. He was his teams 7th leading scorer last season (albeit in 7-9 less games). I'm 100% rooting for the kid to be great but his attitude is coming off as entitled. If you are a great player then show us on the ice not via words.

Leading goal scorer, and young players do not typically put up numbers in the KHL. He is one of the most productive U-21 KHL players of all time. He holds several KHL all time records

 

[EdJovanovski]

I get you're a big fan of the kid. But would it really have been the worst thing in the world if he spent a few weeks in Hartford? Do you honestly believe his reaction to the demotion was warranted?

I disagree with him but I can’t say I really blame him. I think he has been screwed around by this organization multiple times and if it were based on merit he should’ve been playing in the NHL over Kakko in 2019. If I were Vitali I would be furious to be cut when I look at the players who made it over him. Even Barclay Goodrow was horrible, but couldn’t cut him or demote him because that would make Drury look bad for signing that contract

 

[NYSPORTS]

But did Howden complain about 4th line time? Did he EXPECT to be on the 2nd line? Howden was just happy to be in the lineup, and we can all shit on how bad he was, he really was an AHL+ player...at least he kept his mouth shut and kept putting in the work.

If Kravy went and killed it in Hartford for 2 weeks and didn't get called up...ok ask for a trade. To not report for the second time because you feel you are above the AHL and expect to be GIVEN a certain role regardless of performance...yah sorry buddy your attitude is shit.

You're not wrong imo. At least Howden was on the team though. He was awful yet remained.

 

[haveandare]

Players will be unproven if they aren’t given actual opportunity. Laf and Kakko can look like dogshit and can stay. Why are there higher standards for Krav? He’s a skilled winger, not a gritty. defense first kind of player who needs extra AHL seasoning. I thought he was well on his way into growing into a quality hockey player. He should have been given a real chance before being sent down.

Because they’re far more accomplished in lower leagues, hence why they were 1 and 2 OA and he was a little bit of a reach at 9.

The more important question imo is what has he done to make him so above the AHL? Look at the numbers even a marginal NHLer like Hunt put up at that level and look at Kravtsov’s. He still had plenty to prove

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

I disagree with him but I can’t say I really blame him. I think he has been screwed around by this organization multiple times and if it were based on merit he should’ve been playing in the NHL over Kakko in 2019. If I were Vitali I would be furious to be cut when I look at the players who made it over him. Even Barclay Goodrow was horrible, but couldn’t cut him or demote him because that would make Drury look bad for signing that contract

But you're also not asking Barclay Goodrow to be a top 6 guy. I get the sense that some players will do whatever is asked of them to get ice time. I could be wrong, but I don't thing Kravstov is that kind of guy. Everyone wanted Gallant, knowing he doesn't play kids in the bottom 6, well... here we are.

 

[TheBPA]

Agreed, but they very clearly missed a penalty on Kravtsov and everyone agreed the reffing was an abomination. So I don’t think using the refs calling a penalty should be an argument for how good a player was. Gauthier didn’t score a single goal in the preseason. Kravtsov was better than Gauthier and is the better player in general. He is also better than several guys who made the cut. Even defensively if we want to make that argument

Congrats on being better than a guy who is going to be a healthy scratch to start the year.

 

[haveandare]

I disagree with him but I can’t say I really blame him. I think he has been screwed around by this organization multiple times and if it were based on merit he should’ve been playing in the NHL over Kakko in 2019. If I were Vitali I would be furious to be cut when I look at the players who made it over him. Even Barclay Goodrow was horrible, but couldn’t cut him or demote him because that would make Drury look bad for signing that contract

Goodrow was a key player in two cup winning campaigns. Hes not being cut or demoted for a so-so preseason. Kravstov hasn’t earned that level of flexibility yet.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Leading goal scorer, and young players do not typically put up numbers in the KHL. He is one of the most productive U-21 KHL players of all time. He holds several KHL all time records

He still was less than half a point per game in the KHL. That does not mean he is entitled to a spot on a NHL team. He has to earn it just like everyone else.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Lol Kravtsov said in an interview that his shot sucked last year and he had to work on it a lot, I saw more evidence of Kravtsov working hard all summer than the other two. Kakko was stuffing down cheeseburgers and Laf was getting drunk at parties lol. Kravtsov was in the gym at 6am every morning even when on vacation in the Dominican Republic.

You do realize that players can workout religiously without sharing it on social media, right?

Kakko came into camp in noticeably better shape and is faster. It's quite clear he worked out this offseason.

Lafreniere came into camp also looking faster and he looks like he put on muscle during his interviews. He also clearly worked out a lot in the offseason.

Kravtsov posting some IG stories of himself in the gym and Kakko/Laf not posting anything doesn't mean he worked out and they didn't, come on.

I disagree with him but I can’t say I really blame him. I think he has been screwed around by this organization multiple times and if it were based on merit he should’ve been playing in the NHL over Kakko in 2019. If I were Vitali I would be furious to be cut when I look at the players who made it over him. Even Barclay Goodrow was horrible, but couldn’t cut him or demote him because that would make Drury look bad for signing that contract

Goodrow is a veteran who just signed a 6 year contract, preseason for him is about getting his timing right and ready to go. He wouldn't lose his spot even if he forgot how to skate.

Was Kravtsov that much better than Kakko in 2019? I remember him looking promising but you're acting like he blew the doors off of everything at that camp which obviously isn't true because if he had he would've been kept in NY.

Regardless, 2019 is irrelevant at this time. Full on rebuilding, Kakko was the highest pick in franchise history and was basically NHL ready. He was always going to be on the big club. And when you're rebuilding you're more willing to live with the rookie poor play. The thinking has shifted and they're all in on trying to start winning again.

 

[EdJovanovski]

He still was less than half a point per game in the KHL. That does not mean he is entitled to a spot on a NHL team. He has to earn it just like everyone else.

The KHL is a far lower scoring league than the NHL, don’t make dishonest arguments like that lol. You could also say he is the youngest player in KHL history to score a playoff goal, the most points of any U21 player in KHL playoff history (at age 18), KHL rookie of the year, and a KHL All Star.

 

[Richard Banger]

The KHL is a far lower scoring league than the NHL, don’t make dishonest arguments like that lol. You could also say he is the youngest player in KHL history to score a playoff goal, the most points of any U21 player in KHL playoff history (at age 18), KHL rookie of the year, and a KHL All Star.

There has been playing of prospects who have absolutely destroyed lesser leagues setting records winning awards etc. and then they flat out can’t transfer that success to the NHL. Krav won’t be the first nor the last.

 

[NickyFotiu]

The KHL is a far lower scoring league than the NHL, don’t make dishonest arguments like that lol. You could also say he is the youngest player in KHL history to score a playoff goal, the most points of any U21 player in KHL playoff history (at age 18), KHL rookie of the year, and a KHL All Star.

My saying he had less than a point per game in the KHL was not dishonest. It was a fact.

I want him to succeed but he has to earn his spot. He played 20 games here and had 4 points last season. He did not put up large points in the AHL either. That does not mean he never can or will. He just has to do it it. He will have a spot based on his production not based on entitlement. Nobody wants him to be great more than Rangers coaches, management and fans. We all want him to play great here.

 

[chosen]

Kravtsov is a spoiled brat asswipe.

 

[NYR Viper]

I am going back to the pre-season games to pull some stats:


9/26 - NYI vs NYR
Gauthier
12:30 TOI
1 SOG
2 hits
1 block
0 giveaways
1 takeaway

Kravtsov
14:45 TOI
2 SOG
0 hits
0 blocks
1 giveaway
0 takeaway


9/28 - BOS vs NYR
No Gauthier or Kravtsov playing


10/1 - NJ vs NYR
Gauthier
17:39 TOI
1 SOG
1 hit
2 giveaways
1 take away

Kravtsov
5:44 TOI
0 SOG
0 hits
1 giveaway
1 take away


10/2 - BOS vs NYR
Gauthier
12:37 TOI
4 SOG
3 hits
1 block
0 giveaways
0 takeaways

Kravtsov did not play


10/6 - NJ vs NYR
Gauthier
15:34 TOI
3 SOG
3 hits
1 giveaway
0 takeaways

Kravtsov did not play


10/9 - NYI vs NYR
Gauthier
No TOI given per NHL.com (thanks NHL)
1SOG

Kravtsov
No TOI given (thanks NHL)
1g
1 SOG



If we are looking objectively at the stats in total:

Gauthier
Total TOI - 59:05 + Last game on 10/9
0 g
0 a
10SOG
9 hits
2 blocks
3 giveaways
2 takeaways

Kravtsov
Total TOI - 20:29 + Last game on 10/9
1 g
0 a
3SOG
0 hits
0 blocks
2 giveaways
1 takeaway

The entire picture can not be painted with these stats of course and this is just want I have at my fingertips but it paints a pretty clear picture that one player was engaged physically while the other may not have been.

 

[mas0764]

So much for needing to move Buch to make room for Kakko and Kravtsov.

Drury is so lucky that he has Panarin, Zibs, Laf, Kakko, Fox and Igor, which guarantees that he can't totally f-up this team.

I think he's already F'd it up.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I am going back to the pre-season games to pull some stats:


9/26 - NYI vs NYR
Gauthier
12:30 TOI
1 SOG
2 hits
1 block
0 giveaways
1 takeaway

Kravtsov
14:45 TOI
2 SOG
0 hits
0 blocks
1 giveaway
0 takeaway


9/28 - BOS vs NYR
No Gauthier or Kravtsov playing


10/1 - NJ vs NYR
Gauthier
17:39 TOI
1 SOG
1 hit
2 giveaways
1 take away

Kravtsov
5:44 TOI
0 SOG
0 hits
1 giveaway
1 take away


10/2 - BOS vs NYR
Gauthier
12:37 TOI
4 SOG
3 hits
1 block
0 giveaways
0 takeaways

Kravtsov did not play


10/6 - NJ vs NYR
Gauthier
15:34 TOI
3 SOG
3 hits
1 giveaway
0 takeaways

Kravtsov did not play


10/9 - NYI vs NYR
Gauthier
No TOI given per NHL.com (thanks NHL)
1SOG

Kravtsov
No TOI given (thanks NHL)
1g
1 SOG



If we are looking objectively at the stats in total:

Gauthier
Total TOI - 59:05 + Last game on 10/9
0 g
0 a
10SOG
9 hits
2 blocks
3 giveaways
2 takeaways

Kravtsov
Total TOI - 20:29 + Last game on 10/9
1 g
0 a
3SOG
0 hits
0 blocks
2 giveaways
1 takeaway

The entire picture can not be painted with these stats of course and this is just want I have at my fingertips but it paints a pretty clear picture that one player was engaged physically while the other may not have been.

All those shots and still a big fat goose egg per usual. He is not an NHL player

 

[bhamill]

I was looking forward to Kravtsov taking a nice step forward this season. Was really rooting for the kid. But he simply did not grab the opportunity that was there for him. He just didn't. And that's not catastrophic. Go down to the A for ten games, get yourself in a groove and you'll be back... But no. You can disagree with the team's assessment, but this was not out of left field, nor was it apocalyptic. Until Kravtsov made it so. And it's a third strike. It's a pattern, not a fluke. He has a shit attitude and that is holding him back. I hope he can get his shit together and have a nice career, but he didn't earn his place here. He is a top six type of player, he did not force the staff to put him there. He just didn't. Even if you feel he edged out another top six player, I don't but I get that others can feel he did, do you reward the shit attitude or the hard work? Hard work. EVERY time. It's a TEAM dynamic. If you have a shitty attitude you'd BETTER be head and shoulders above your compensation for a spot. He clearly was not, in fact over all I felt HE was edged out even for a third line spot.

And guys, please stop comparing him to Laf or Kakko, especially by dumping on them. That's absurd. There's no GM in the league that would trade either one of them for Kavtsov, probably not even one for two Kravtsovs. That is just destroying any credibility in any otherwise valid point you are trying to make. On the other hand I hope you are right: "he's a better prospect and has outperformed Laf and Kakko." Because then you surely expect we will get a Laf or Kakko level prospect for him right? Yeah, RIGHT.

 

[NYR Viper]

All those shots and still a big fat goose egg per usual. He is not an NHL player

If he's not a NHL player than neither is Kravtsov who would appear to bring nothing other than some sparse offense

 

[Mandar]

Boy, oh boy...Jovo really getting the attention now....

How can you argue with a guy who cites poll results of the first preseason game (that wonderful loss where no one played well) as proof that the player is wonderful?

You are not objective sir...and it appears you do not have the capacity to be....this is not a hill to die on. Rise above the fray....

 

[McRanger92]

You're not wrong imo. At least Howden was on the team though. He was awful yet remained.

If Kravtsov didn't bail on the team and run back to the KHL the first time in 2019, maybe he's on the team now as well. Its not like the competition was too fierce. Better players than VK have proven themselves in Hartford, including 2 fellow Russians in Buch & Shesterkin.

Quinn, for all his faults, said it best at the time: "There is something wrong with the system if you cant send a 19 year old to the AHL"

 

[chosen]

The new management team is off to a rip-roaring start.

 

[Rempe73]

Are you going to relentlessly criticize everyone on the team in every thread now, because you think your guy got shafted? Please spare us. The GDTs are already intolerable with 500 Tuba, Kreider and Miler posts, we don't need to read the same stuff directed towards Kakko and Lafreniere.

Not his fault we have an incompetent organization.