Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Crease]

If Anderson returned a 2nd rounder, Kravtsov’s value is better than that.

Even if they get back a 1st, this stinks. He is the Rangers third best forward prospect behind Laf and Kakko. Whoever they draft likely won’t factor for at least 5 years.

 

[BKGooner]

This is karma for us stealing Panarin, Fox, Lafreniere, and Kakko

If this is the karmic payback, I’ll take the slap on the wrist from the universe.

 

[Fireonk]

So reverse the order of what I said and the result is still the same level of incompetence. Draft all these wingers, sign Panarin and Kreider long term, and then continue to draft...wingers.

I like Kakko a lot but he's not the player this organization needed to draft. He was the best player available. And he hasn't exactly lit up the league. He was BAD his rookie year

Wow, so you are saying we shouldnt have drafted Kakko? What about Laf?

 

[Edge]

My solution is that they shouldn't have signed Libor Hájek.

Just so we're clear: I am not defending Kravtsov. His childish behaviour is f***ing BS and his value has tanked because of it. 3rd round pick incoming.

But this was going to happen the moment they failed to put someone on waivers on Sunday.

My own concerns about some of the names we're putting our faith in aside for a moment, I feel like this was another example of something that didn't need to happen but did.

It's on the player, but it's also on the team as well. If you've had a problem with a player reporting to Hartford before, you're probably best served by having your ducks in a row before making a move.

If the personality is this much of a concern, then you start the shopping. And if you know you're sending him down, you probably work to control it so it doesn't "break" like this.

VK doesn't make the team, it is what is. But I'd argue that not forcing the timing, with Reaves out and VK coming back from injury, probably buys you some time to see what's out there.

And that time is valuable, especially as it relates to the value of Hajek, Tinordi, Hunt.

I don't think we're exactly stashing away high-yield bonds over here.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Instead of Let’s Go Brandon chants we might start hearing F*** Chris Drury at the Garden

 

[Tob]

Gonna make a dozen spring rolls, some roast pork, see how it goes, likely will settle with the conclusion that Vitali does not have the personality of a winner and the commitment of a champion and this was doomed from the get go and move on now that Nik Judasbrov is gone.

 

[Daves a mess]

Who else is waiting on epic @bernmeister trade scenarios on the main boards?

 

[brians1128]

If this was a shocker for the Rangers, or not considered as a distinct possibility by the powers that be, than heaven help us.

You get burned once, shame on the player. When this happens multiple times (and twice by one player), then you need to look inward as well.

I mean,

JD, Gorton, Quinn, Oliver, Martin, Brown, Bobrov, Rosasco. Who else are we missing?

I think Kravstov issue has been known by management for some time, how current management has handled it will be the topic of debate. When I look back at the JD and Gorton firing and people thinking that they were lying about it not being about Tom Wilson and wanting to go a different direction, IMO there is some truth to it. Kravstov, Andersson, DeAngelo..... Georgiev??????

 

[mas0764]

Rangers do it again. Sign Kreider and Panarin to long term deals and then go ahead and draft 12 wingers in the first round


YOU DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO DRAFT THE "BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE". YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DRAFT FOR ORGANIZATIONAL NEEDS


complete f***ing incompetence by the Rangers. This kid needs to play in the top 9 and there's no spot for him here. Trade for a bag of pucks incoming

No, you SHOULD always draft the best available player.

The problem is the Rangers are stupidly trying to walk in the middle of the road to please both sides. You can't do it.

They are ruining the rebuild by trying to win now. Edge and other insiders warned us, and this offseason it has derailed what was a promising rebuild all so they could construct a second round playoff exit team who will get destroyed every year by the Tampas and Colorados who actually built dynasty teams.

We had the chance to be one but we picked having Sammy Blais and Chris Kreider instead. Idiots.

 

[nyr2k2]

Instead of Let’s Go Brandon chants we might start hearing F*** Drury at the Garden

I suspect that fans at the Garden will very much enjoy the way the team is currently constructed.

 

[DialUp]

I don't think we're exactly stashing away high-yield bonds over here.

Well...Libor *IS* going away after all...

 

[mas0764]

Genuine question to those wanting Drury’s head for this situation - how do you feel about the Devils assigned Holtz to the AHL while rostering the likes of Jimmy Vesey? Holts is a consensus top 10-15 prospect and considerably more talented than Vesey. Yet the Devils chose to further his development over his desire to play in the NHL and he took that decision in stride.

How is that any different than Kravstov vs Gauthier/Hunt/Blais/whatever?

Is Holtz walking off the team?

Then the situation is different.

The Rangers should have catered to their asset a little.

Instead of taking the "You didn't make the team, suck it up and put in the work," attitude. That tough love doesn't work on everyone.

It's a righteous approach but sometimes it's better to be wrong but to keep your talent appeased.

 

[EdJovanovski]

I suspect that fans at the Garden will very much enjoy the way the team is currently constructed.

Their IG & Twitter comments are pretty bad. You can also like how a team is constructed and still think the GM is doing a piss poor job of asset management. For instance I am one of Drury’s biggest detractors on here but I’m also one of the biggest advocates of grit. Machinehead is one of the biggest new age hockey guys (focused on analytics & less grit) yet he is one of Drury’s biggest supporters. I think Blais is a good acquisition; not at the cost of Buchnevich. I love Reaves, I don’t mind hunt. I don’t love these guys blocking an elite talent like Kravtsov.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Wow, so you are saying we shouldnt have drafted Kakko? What about Laf?

I would've 100% drafted Quinton Byfield. I said it pre draft.

Buchnevich would likely still be here or Kravtsov would have a spot. Let Chytil and Byfield kill each other for the 3C position.

Probably could've sold high on Strome as well instead of resigning him. Obviously hindsights 20/20 and Byfield got hurt but he was the player this organization needed to draft. This is now what we get

 

[Edge]

Is Holtz walking off the team?

Then the situation is different.

The Rangers should have catered to their asset a little.

Instead of taking the "You didn't make the team, suck it up and put in the work," attitude. That tough love doesn't work on everyone.

It's a righteous approach but sometimes it's better to be wrong but to keep your talent appeased.

Here's my thing, I'm not even talking about catering.

If this type of reaction is still a concern, after everything that already happened, then you make a pro-active move.

We apparently like to deal with volatile situations. That's fine, but then you can't keep chasing after situations. At some point you try to maximize value, even if it' not ideal, BEFORE the shit hits the fan.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

That will make it easy to trade him! Good thinking, kid!

Don’t agree. He’ll hurt the organization further by tanking his value. He’ll get top 6 minutes on a team that values him and dominate, the Rangers get terrible value for a great player.

 

[I Eat Crow]

If this was a shocker for the Rangers, or not considered as a distinct possibility by the powers that be, than heaven help us.

You get burned once, shame on the player. When this happens multiple times (and twice by one player), then you need to look inward as well.

From what I know and have heard in the past few months, this definitely should not be a surprise.

As you mention, God help us all if this wasn't at least considered a possibility.

 

[Chimpradamus]

He has played 20 NHL games and those were under a different coach and different regime. Yeah I think he should have been given more of a role then but more importantly he was given a chance in camp on a good 3rd line that features another skilled young player and the possibility to get plenty of ES icetime, he even got a chance at playing with top talent in the preseason, and at best he did "ok". He wasn't put in "shit roles", he didn't earn a better spot.



He's been treated like a player who needs to earn a spot and who hasn't quite been ready for that yet.



What makes you or these guys think that they can just come over and jump right into the NHL like it's no big deal? It's far different style of play than the SHL or KHL. Kravtsov was OK, but he got outplayed. He wasn't being groomed for a bottom line role, the Rangers explicitly don't want him in a bottom line role because he's not that kind of player. But he didn't earn a top line role.

What you did in another league doesn't matter if you're not ready to prove you belong in the NHL.

So what? He doesn't see himself as a simple player at his age and the NYR can only give him a role as a simple player. There ends the argument and he has his full rights to ask for a trade. If the incompetent NYR management would've had any ears and had any compassion apart from their business role, they probably would've picked up on this and tried to trade Kravtsov BEFORE he OPENLY asks for a trade since they IGNORED HIM.

That's on NYR management, as always. And I officially think it's a goddamn joke that CHRIS DRURY is the GM of the NYR. It's laughable.

Again, I ask of you NYR fans, do you propose Russian citizens should submit to communism when it fits the US entertainment business agenda? Is that the demand you have? Again, it's hilarious.

You see it as: "All players should be comrades and submit to the cause (communism)."
You ideologically: "The dream I work towards MYSELF!". Yeah... you have deep issues.

 

[mas0764]

My solution is that they shouldn't have signed Libor Hájek.

Just so we're clear: I am not defending Kravtsov. His childish behaviour is f***ing BS and his value has tanked because of it. 3rd round pick incoming.

But this was going to happen the moment they failed to put someone on waivers on Sunday. Kravtsov is still better than Dryden Hunt.

They traded away Buchnevich with the intention of giving Kakko and Kravtsov more minutes. They should have just traded Kravtsov over the summer

Yup.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Holtz is 19

Thanks, I’m capable of looking up his age too. Doesn’t answer my question at all.

 

[mas0764]

Here's my thing, I'm not even talking about catering.

If this type of reaction is still a concern, after everything that already happened, then you make a pro-active move.

We apparently like to deal with volatile situations. That's fine, but then you can't keep chasing after situations. At some point you try to maximize value, even if it' not ideal, BEFORE the shit hits the fan.

Agreed.... maybe before everyone realizes he's a powder keg and it tanks his value.

 

[McRanger92]

Its very obvious to me why the Rangers tried to address their culture issues this summer. Andersson/DeAngelo/Kravtsov/Georgiev to varying degrees have had attitude problems and the hierarchy that brought them in, is now gone. I don't think that's a coincidence.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Honestly this just makes me appreciate Laf and Kakko that much more. They take adversity and punch it in the face by busting their ass putting in work.

lol what adversity? they were kept up in the big leagues even if their play didn’t warrant it, which it didn’t for much of their time on the team.

 

[SA16]

Buchnevich was not traded to make room for Kravtsov. Can we stop this insane take?

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

There is no way that the Rangers can backtrack here and still smooth things out with Kravy, right? Has that ever happened?