Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[I Eat Crow]

Not sure how much of this you can really pin on Drury when this is a guy who has bolted to the KHL before, under different management and pretty much wasn’t going to accept reassignment no matter what. Barron is a guy who could play but is waiting his turn. Lots of our guys did that. Krav won’t. It could be viewed as an organizational failure in how we scout attitude, handle young personalities and delicate situations, etc. but I really don’t know how much Drury specifically factors into it. He decided, along with Gallant, which mix of forwards they felt it was best to start the season with.

That said, seeing where we are in our journey toward contention, if Kravtsov is being dealt I wonder if he isn’t best off being packaged to address a need. If not, any picks we acquire may be better used in a package to address a need. Otherwise, if Kravtsov is ultimately traded on his own, I think we’re almost better off shipping him for a better backup goaltender or a similar change of scenery prospect. A 2nd that’s 4 years away isn’t going to do much for us during the years that KK, Laf, Chytil are bridgeable and Mika, Bread, Kreider, etc. still have some good mileage left.

Drury is somewhat responsible though. He's the one that went to Russia and scouted him and pushed for him to be the pick back when he was in that role in 2017-18.

 

[mas0764]

From the NY Post:

"At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass."

"Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line."

Yeah, then he should have been traded in the offseason and Buch kept. Even if that meant freeing up money elsewhere for Buch long term. Krav could have been dangled for a grity bottom 6 type, but with upside, without all this info going public - like a Joe Veleno or something.

This is insanity.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Any ideas for a new nickname and avatar? It's been due for quite some time. Callahan hasn't played for us in years and Torts was fired ages ago.


I'm swedish, 30 years old, I like rap, I like to smoke weed, I love the Rangers, Jagr is my all time favorite player. I dunno what more you need to help me out lol.

Sweed?

 

[EdJovanovski]

From the NY Post:

"At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass."

"Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line."

Heart rate? Lol the guy spends more time in the gym than half our team does. The fact that they didn’t try him at Center or on the PP earlier shows that they clearly have not been following his play in the KHL closely and know very little about the player.

 

[duhmetreE]

From the NY Post:

"At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass."

"Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line."

oof.

quickly delete this before other teams see it

 

[Thirty One]

I was gonna bring up his training habits, or lack thereof. He said he didnt skate all summer. Not good

When did he say this?

 

[FireGerardGallant]

From the NY Post:

"At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass."

"Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line."

Quinn with his one last f*** you to this organization

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

When did he say this?

They asked him recently what he did over the summer and he said he wasnt on the ice or didnt play games or something to that affect.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

From the NY Post:

"At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass."

"Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line."

If this is true, this makes @Edge 's point all the more valid. The kid was causing problems from the end of last season? Ok, so then it should have been clear as day that this demotion would not go well. Why the hell would you not shop him under the radar instead of causing this disaster and tanking his value?

 

[mas0764]

Outside or that 1 st line and their D, they lack depth.

Failing to get skill and centers into the pipeline is really gonna start showing up, and fast. Sure it's all fine right now with Kakko and Laf and Chytil on ELCs. But Panarin, Kreider, and Zibanejad are all about to start declining and all are super expensive. And yet they are all still good enough to keep us picking way outside the top 10-15.

Seriously, if they don't win a Cup with prime Panarin/Zibanejad/Kreider -- and I've never, ever been of the opinion that that trio is good enough to do so since we already saw where a Kreider/Zibanejad led team gets us -- I'm beginning to doubt whether they have stockpiled enough replacement forward talent to get over the hump when those guys decline.

It's like they thought Kakko and Laf were enough and so they just stopped acquiring top 6 forwards. Like they don't realize that Cup winners have multiple top 6 forwards playing on their third lines.

 

[RangerBoy]

At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass.

Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/12/range...-kravtsov-with-tensions-rising-over-demotion/

This guy thinks he is Alexander Mogilny and Pavel Bure rolled into one.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Kravtsov made a mistake firing Theofanus too, IMO. He's Sather's old pal. I can't imagine Slats nor the rest of the front office liked this.

I know nothing about his new agent but if he's a prick to deal with, that I'm sure made an already tense situation worse.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

Quinn with his one last f*** you to this organization

No better way to orient a player to the NHL and NA sized rinks is to play him in the top 6 while trying to make a playoff push

 

[Chimpradamus]

Isn't that the reason they sent him to Hartford in the first place? so that he can play top line minutes?

If you think you're so damn hot then blow everyone away in training camp and preseason to where they can't possibly demote you. Fact is - Guathier was the overall better player.

And let's not go overboard - he was NEVER a huge scorer at the KHL level and did even worse during his AHL stint. Buchnevich outscored him in the KHL and didn't bitch out when the team decided he could use some seasoning in the minors.

Fine, so trade him. Hopefully the incompetent management would've caught up on this if they did more than drink on the job and smoke cigars - or whatever the hell they do. Then a quiet, legit trade could've happened, Kravtsov's trade value would've been high.

The reason for a trade would been extremely simple: we're so stacked we don't have room for all our great prospects. An awesome reason to trade. But here we are now. Hilarious! Kravtsov's development is down the drain and he's rightfully pissed off.

If Kravtsov OPENLY requests a trade, management have obviously and structurally failed their job. A tradition in New York, you just throw shit down to divert the blame. The blame should as always be at the office in this case, because it's literally impossible this came out of the blue. Their job is effective leadership. What they think their job is to throw shit, make bad decisions and lie about why bad decisions happened. And always throw blame when you've done a really bad job because you either didn't care or was ignorant enough to even know that was a responsibility.

What US leadership has to learn is they're not dictators anymore. Every player, human being and goddamn plant is a franchise and not a soulless resource to exploit. Think about it like that. How much easier it would be for US leaders to stop exploiting people and become much more humane and understanding. What a revelation in thinking that would be. Every living thing is a franchise.

 

[Idlerlee]

From the NY Post:

"At the end of last season, Kravtsov had a contentious exit-meeting with Rangers management. Much of the strained discussion zeroed in on the way No. 74 trains in the offseason, which left Kravtsov thinking he was going to be traded. Kravtsov decided to fire his agent, Paul Theofanous, and hired new representation in Dan Milstein amid issues with Rangers brass."

"Additionally, Kravtsov believed he should’ve been in the top six when he was first recalled to the Rangers last season. Kravtsov bounced around the lineup throughout the 20 games he played in 2020-21, including a lengthy stretch on the fourth line."

I'm cringing inwards from the sheer entitlement

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Any ideas for a new nickname and avatar? It's been due for quite some time. Callahan hasn't played for us in years and Torts was fired ages ago.


I'm swedish, 30 years old, I like rap, I like to smoke weed, I love the Rangers, Jagr is my all time favorite player. I dunno what more you need to help me out lol.

CaptainDrury

 

[RangerBoy]

Failing to get skill and centers into the pipeline is really gonna start showing up, and fast. Sure it's all fine right now with Kakko and Laf and Chytil on ELCs. But Panarin, Kreider, and Zibanejad are all about to start declining and all are super expensive. And yet they are all still good enough to keep us picking way outside the top 10-15.

Seriously, if they don't win a Cup with prime Panarin/Zibanejad/Kreider -- and I've never, ever been of the opinion that that trio is good enough to do so since we already saw where a Kreider/Zibanejad led team gets us -- I'm beginning to doubt whether they have stockpiled enough replacement forward talent to get over the hump when those guys decline.

It's like they thought Kakko and Laf were enough and so they just stopped acquiring top 6 forwards. Like they don't realize that Cup winners have multiple top 6 forwards playing on their third lines.

The Rangers did select Othmann in the first round. That pick makes more sense now. Kravtsov was being a self entitled brat.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

If this is true, this makes @Edge 's point all the more valid. The kid was causing problems from the end of last season? Ok, so then it should have been clear as day that this demotion would not go well. Why the hell would you not shop him under the radar instead of causing this disaster and tanking his value?

Do we know for sure they didn't shop him?

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers did select Othmann in the first round. That pick makes more sense now. Kravtsov was being a self entitled brat.

I don't have high hopes for him but we'll see. Even so he's more Kreider and less skill.

They need more skill.

 

[I Eat Crow]

What a disaster. This season's picking up where the last one left off. Negligence by Drury if this is what went down at the exit meeting and he didn't at least put feelers out quietly with other GM's.

The Rangers would be very fortunate now to get a Hayton or a Kupari back in a trade whereas if this was handled quietly, a Turcotte like return would have been a possibility. That ship has sailed now.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

What’s crazy is we all knew Wahlstrom should have been picked there. The whole hockey world knew it. And then they go and pick goalie Olof Lindbom in the 2nd round at 39th pick. Such terrible drafting for so many years with this org, I don’t know how some of you can defend that

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

CaptainDrury

 

[MarkMessyay11]

What the heck are you talking about?

Do Stanley Cup teams only need 2 dominant players?

Go read Dom L's work on the Athletic, look at the templates of teams who win Cups.

I'm questioning right now whether we have enough forward talent to win even a single Cup at this point.

This is such a short sighted and nonsensical response. No where did I say any of that. What I said was adding two top prospect wingers afforded us with an opportunity to take our time with our other prospect wingers.

And what are you talking about with 2 dominant players? Did you forget about Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Miller, Lundvist, and Shesterkin? At this moment in time, those guys are just as likely, if not more likely to be dominant players as Kravstov is.

And what if Kravstov doesn’t develop into a dominant player because he got stuck on a 4th line instead of taking his medicine and developing in the AHL like an infinite number of prospects before him? Then you make this same post in 2-3 years and fault the front office then?

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

If this is true, this makes @Edge 's point all the more valid. The kid was causing problems from the end of last season? Ok, so then it should have been clear as day that this demotion would not go well. Why the hell would you not shop him under the radar instead of causing this disaster and tanking his value?

Or maybe they tried to move him and didn't get fair value in any return offers?

So you give it a shot and see if he matures.

Seems likely for this type of player. When the Eichel deals were being tossed around I had Kravy in all of them. For this reason.

 

[Jayan]

Im so disapointed, at all involved parties