Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Jackpot Jaret]

I know Rangers fans aren't happy about this development, but honestly a lot are jumping to conclusions. Nobody knows the real back story to any of this. It could simply be a numbers game, Kravstov feels he has the talent to play, but is being blocked from playing top 6 due to the Rangers having a bunch of top 6 forwards. He's not a third line player, this could end up being beneficial for all party's involved, if the Rangers end up getting someone of value in return

 

[Mike in Houston]

I'm cringing inwards from the sheer entitlement

Yup.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

The way we have handled keeping Georgiev, sending down Jones and how this Kravtsov situation played out (when clearly every knew this would be the result) shows those 3 were in a package for Eichel and Buffalo said no. Only thing that makes sense. Drury was putting all his chips down on Eichel and it blew up in his face.

 

[PetahFromBensonhoist]

Turns out Reaves wasn't teaching him how to fight in that clip, he was actually threatening him.

 

[Hire Sather]

I hold out for a good return.

Let him go to Russia if he wants. I'll risk it if the offers aren't there

 

[Machinehead]

If this is true, this makes @Edge 's point all the more valid. The kid was causing problems from the end of last season? Ok, so then it should have been clear as day that this demotion would not go well. Why the hell would you not shop him under the radar instead of causing this disaster and tanking his value?

If these issues were apparent last year, the league would have known about it.

 

[huerter]

The sports landscape has changed. Take it from me as a former high major DOBO. The biggest job the coach has nowadays is to re-recruit your own roster on a daily basis.

 

[Thirty One]

If these issues were apparent last year, the league would have known about it.

Exactly. You think teams trade for a player who just fired his agent without asking a few questions?

 

[Machinehead]

For a guy who said "character" every other word, Gorton sure knows how to draft them!

 

[Savant]

Genuine question to those wanting Drury’s head for this situation - how do you feel about the Devils assigned Holtz to the AHL while rostering the likes of Jimmy Vesey? Holts is a consensus top 10-15 prospect and considerably more talented than Vesey. Yet the Devils chose to further his development over his desire to play in the NHL and he took that decision in stride.

How is that any different than Kravstov vs Gauthier/Hunt/Blais/whatever?

Holtz is two years younger, and didn’t have the KHL pedigree that Kravtsov had. Kravtsov’s further along the timeline than Holtz is and Holtz isn’t being yo-yo’ed. there is a difference.

 

[Mandar]

Yea bro Gauthier the GOAT man, scored the same amount of goals in the preseason that I did! Kravtsov stinks!

Not sure how you connect me to Gauthier, but your track record for the last two players you went wayyyy over the top for.....is.....lacking. Why not go for the trifecta and start going overboard for Evander Kane now?

 

[HonestGabe]

Maybe there's a deal to be had around Hayton?

Hayton for Kravtsov. Maybe some small adds each way? Change of scenery for both guys

 

[mas0764]

This is such a short sighted and nonsensical response. No where did I say any of that. What I said was adding two top prospect wingers afforded us with an opportunity to take our time with our other prospect wingers.

No, that's not what you said, you said, and I quote, "But, the fact is, that Kravstov became a luxury, not a necessity, once we lucked into Kakko and Lafreniere."

This is wrong on every level. The Rangers need more elite talent in the forward corps than just Kakko and Lafreniere moving forward, unless our goal is to be, like, the Panthers.

Another 70 point talent for 3-4 years down the line is now basically a necessity, and since those kind of players take a few years to develop unless you are picking in the top 2-3 spots (and even then, often times), they have to find one soon.

And what are you talking about with 2 dominant players? Did you forget about Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Miller, Lundvist, and Shesterkin? At this moment in time, those guys are just as likely, if not more likely to be dominant players as Kravstov is.

I'm talking about forwards. And Panarin is 30 and Zibanejad is about to be 29. Cup winners almost always have 4-5 elite forwards. Panarin and Zibanejad won't be in that category forever. I'd like to keep winning when Kakko is 26 or 27 instead of needing to rebuild again.

And what if Kravstov doesn’t develop into a dominant player because he got stuck on a 4th line instead of taking his medicine and developing in the AHL like an infinite number of prospects before him? Then you make this same post in 2-3 years and fault the front office then?

Lots of bad things can happen, none of which change the fact that your assertion that Kravtsov became a "luxury," is silly. He was much needed here because this team is now devoid of future elite forward talent after Kakko and Laf.

We are now in the market for young scoring, skilled forwards. Or should be, who knows what this brain-addled front office is going to do next.

 

[RangerBoy]

I don't have high hopes for him but we'll see. Even so he's more Kreider and less skill.

They need more skill.

The Rangers need more size and strength. Enough with fancy finesse players.

 

[Thirty One]

The Rangers need more size and strength. Enough with fancy finesse players.

Did you sleep through the summer?

 

[Edge]

Or maybe they tried to move him and didn't get fair value in any return offers?

So you give it a shot and see if he matures.

Seems likely for this type of player. When the Eichel deals were being tossed around I had Kravy in all of them. For this reason.

We have been burned over and over and again with the approach of giving it a shot and seeing if he matures.

In this case, we already had one big, high-profile problem.

At some point, you figure out a path forward that doesn't involve getting f***ed over.

We have done this too many times at this point to entertain those hopes.

 

[FOD]

Regardless of how he felt, it was very easy to see something like this was going to happen if they took this course of actions. Sorry, just a moronic front office move.

You can't run a professional franchise worried about hurting the feelings of a 21 year old immature child. This is solely a reflection on Kravtsov not the Rangers. He had 2 goals and 2 assists in 20 games last year. Marcc Staal was a comparable offensive player to Kratsov last year. Suck it up, go to Hartford. Work your ass off and force your way into the lineup.

 

[Edge]

If these issues were apparent last year, the league would have known about it.

Rangers had options. And they had more options than we will now.

And that's a damn shame.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Not sure how you connect me to Gauthier, but your track record for the last two players you went wayyyy over the top for.....is.....lacking. Why not go for the trifecta and start going overboard for Evander Kane now?

Buch & DeAngelo? I was right and both turned into incredible players when many people had doubts about them. DeAngelo had the off side issues but we’ll see how he bounces back this year. Kravtsov isn’t anywhere near done, he’s 21 years old. This is a setback but I don’t think it’s safe to say he won’t amount to anything in the NHL already lol

 

[mas0764]

The Rangers need more size and strength. Enough with fancy finesse players.

The complete opposite. We have enough grit and size (Kreider, Trouba, Miller, Goodrow, Blais, Reaves, Hunt, even Chytil, Lafreniere and Kakko are big boys who will learn to play tough games). Grit is also easy to find in any free agency class.

Panarin and Zibanejad aren't going to last forever. Need more natural scorers in the system, like those two. If they can play big also, great. If not, scoring and skill is the more important attribute the Rangers need to be seeking right now and going forward. It doesn't have to remain that way forever, but that's what their future needs more than anything right now. More than grit, more than two way forwards, more than more defensemen, more than goalies. They need natural scorers and offense-generators.

 

[Fitzy]

No, that's not what you said, you said, and I quote, "But, the fact is, that Kravstov became a luxury, not a necessity, once we lucked into Kakko and Lafreniere."

This is wrong on every level. The Rangers need more elite talent in the forward corps than just Kakko and Lafreniere moving forward, unless our goal is to be, like, the Panthers.

Another 70 point talent for 3-4 years down the line is now basically a necessity, and since those kind of players take a few years to develop unless you are picking in the top 2-3 spots (and even then, often times), they have to find one soon.

Couple thoughts on this...

1) Panarin and Zibanejad should still be top 6 players in 3-4 years. Will they be 70 point players? Who knows. I would bet Panarin still will be on top of his game just like Marchand is now.

2) Panarin, Zbad, Kakko, Laf is 4 of your top 6 in 4 years. Chytil may be in that conversation too.

3) NYR's next skill forward doesn't need to be drafted as an 18 year old. There will be more Zuccarellos and Kevin Hayes type acquisitions out there.

4) It's almost an inveitability that one of our abundance of Dmen, like Jones, Schneider, Robertson, etc etc gets moved for a young skill forward eventually.

 

[dshea19]

Mika had similar problems in Ottowa, if I remember correctly. Rumors of him wanting to be a DJ more than play hockey. If the story is accurate, the Rangers brass had a talk to him about his off-season workouts and commitment to hockey. Regardless of the veracity, something changed in Mika and he exploded.

Kravtsov has the potential for the same story, as long as he stops being his own biggest obstacle. This is pro hockey. Hard to succeed without the offseason prep. He has the talent to be a fixture in the top 6, but he definitely didn't do anything to earn it this year. No idea what is going on in his head, but it was obvious that he wasn't ready to go from the start. When he and Kakko were in rookie camp a couple of seasons ago, Kravtsov was the guy that wowed everyone and seemed like he was ready to take the next step. Then he didn't and ran home only to come back after not doing much to make it seem like he was right to begin with. He has all the talent to be what he seems to think he is. He just needs to get out of his own way.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

For a guy who said "character" every other word, Gorton sure knows how to draft them!

hE buILt b0sT0n

 

[McRanger92]

What’s crazy is we all knew Wahlstrom should have been picked there. The whole hockey world knew it. And then they go and pick goalie Olof Lindbom in the 2nd round at 39th pick. Such terrible drafting for so many years with this org, I don’t know how some of you can defend that

Wahlstrom got yo-yo'd in & out of the Isles lineup last year and shockingly he didnt take his ball and go home. What a concept.

Kravtsov was always the odd man out man out once they won multiple lotteries to draft wingers and signed Kreider, this latest outburst just expedites the process.

 

[mas0764]

Couple thoughts on this...

1) Panarin and Zibanejad should still be top 6 players in 3-4 years. Will they be 70 point players? Who knows. I would bet Panarin still will be on top of his game just like Marchand is now.

2) Panarin, Zbad, Kakko, Laf is 4 of your top 6 in 4 years. Chytil may be in that conversation too.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's enough. A declined, 70 point Panarin and 50 point Zibanejad? I dunno. Can you tell me how good Laf and Kakko are? If they are 100 and 90 point players, maybe that's enough. If they are 65 and 55 point players, no, we need more fire power.

3) NYR's next skill forward doesn't need to be drafted as an 18 year old. There will be more Zuccarellos and Kevin Hayes type acquisitions out there.

Are we counting on finding undrafted free agents or drafted players who defect? Those are nice finds but not guarantees.

It also doesn't change what I said - we probably NEED another top line scoring type now with Kravstov gone.

Soon is smart. Waiting to see what happens is inviting disaster.

4) It's almost an inveitability that one of our abundance of Dmen, like Jones, Schneider, Robertson, etc etc gets moved for a young skill forward eventually.

Well when that happens I'll feel a lot better about it, but I'm skeptical that Jones and/or Robertson themselves can be moved for a top line forward.

Can I package Jones and Kravtsov right now to get Turcotte?