Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[Oscar Lindberg]

Also, that’s 2 coaches and GM’s who’ve demoted Krapsoft. Maybe it’s the player not the organization.

The player is at fault here no doubt but the organization is also at fault

 

[Edge]

Gorton had to take ultimate responsibility for the selection, but since Gorton probably didn't know the lad personally, I'm going to put this down to the head of European Scouting making a bad recommendation.

The blame can be a team effort.

Drury was there every step of the way too. He knew what he had, knew the background, and he was in the exit interviews.

There's no separating the Rangers from this shit show.

Sucks for the fans.

 

[bl02]

Drury better be dialing up Doug Wilson's phone to inquire about Hertl. Kravstov could definitely be the main piece to getting Hertl.

We don't have (nor should we) have the money to give Hertl what he will demand unless we just want to rent him for this season.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

The player is at fault here no doubt but the organization is also at fault

Starting with the scouting.

 

[Mandar]

Send him to SJ in a deal for Hertl....or to Boston for Debrusk +

 

[New York RKY]

Now adding to my last post I will say that if last years exit interview was as contentious as was being reported then the Rangers are definitely in the wrong here for not shipping him before this got out to the public.

 

[Fitzy]

Send him to SJ in a deal for Hertl....or to Boston for Debrusk +

Seems more likely at this stage that he'll be shuttled off for a 2nd rounder like Lias was.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Well now that he’s officially back to Krapsoft, I hope they trade him to a miserable place like Winnipeg or Buffalo. With that being said, all kidding aside, the Rangers wasted 2 top 10 picks on European players with attitude problems. Maybe it’s time to clean house in the scouting department. I believe the one scout who begged the Rangers to take Lisa Andersson retired? The Rangers should cut off his pension. The other scout who hyped Krapsoft should be fired too.

IIRC, our current GM was among those that pushed to draft him the hardest, as he took trips to Russia himself to scout him and was the main driving force to draft him.

 

[East Coast Bias]

This isn't happening because "they wont' cut Hajek or Gauthier"

It was going to happen anyway. This guy simply wasn't going to be spoon fed top 6 mins all season and that's apparently what he insists he get.

So it was bound to happen. Maybe they didn't trade him because hundreds of players every year don't get what they want, but they work through it?

 

[Machinehead]

Gorton had to take ultimate responsibility for the selection, but since Gorton probably didn't know the lad personally, I'm going to put this down to the head of European Scouting making a bad recommendation.

Right, somebody in the organization has a conceptualization issue when it comes to intangibles. We consistently misidentified it the entire previous regime.

Nothing was more irritating the last few years than the straight-up laziness and loafing around from tuffbois like McLeod and Lemieux. Not to mention the headless chicken stupidity of a guy like Howden and yes, Trouba.

So far, I like what I see from Goodrow, Reaves, and Blais in terms of the new approach to intangibles we're taking.

 

[n8]

let the "should have drafted Farabee" narrative rise from the dead

 

[Thirty One]

Some of these trade proposals are out there. If you're a GM are you seeking out Kravtsov?

 

[DudMan28]

Trying to top last season early I see.

I get that Gauthier had a good camp, but I was way more impressed with what I saw from Krav in his stint last season compared to what I saw from Gauthier. Krav had numerous games where he was the best player for us while dragging Rooney and Howden around the ice.

With that said, requesting a trade for being sent down is pretty ridiculous. Chytil was sent down when I thought he was ready and he just went to the A and dominated. If this his mentality than see what we can get for him.

 

[Machinehead]

This isn't happening because "they wont' cut Hajek or Gauthier"

It was going to happen anyway. This guy simply wasn't going to be spoon fed top 6 mins all season and that's apparently what he insists he get.

So it was bound to happen. Maybe they didn't trade him because hundreds of players every year don't get what they want, but they work through it?

Exactly.

I get what people are saying when they argue "well just cut Hajek" because f*** that dude anyhow, but when you get to the point of having to appease a player so he cooperates with team decisions, the issue has become bigger than roster logistics.

 

[Blais to Win]

The blame can be a team effort.

Drury was there every step of the way too. He knew what he had, knew the background, and he was in the exit interviews.

There's no separating the Rangers from this shit show.

Sucks for the fans.

It certainly is a team effort. However the majority of the team that made those calls is gone. Drury was a part of that team as AGM but I can't find any reporting linking him to these decisions as anything more than a part of the larger org. As a matter of fact all his moves since the purge have indicated that he sees and is proactive at fixing the problems we're seeing here. That's progress.

 

[Fitzy]

Some of these trade proposals are out there. If you're a GM are you seeking out Kravtsov?

If I'm a team without much natural talent that has a top 6 role ready to go for him, absolutely.

Just wouldn't pay more than a 2nd.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

At least Othmann doesn't seem like the type to bail.

Don’t be so sure. I heard he was taking yodeling classes while he was in Switzerland.

 

[NYR Viper]

Some of these trade proposals are out there. If you're a GM are you seeking out Kravtsov?

If I am a team that is close to the cap and has a roster lacking depth scoring where I could maybe slot him in the top-6 with other skilled players? Yep. Edmonton should be ALL OVER THIS

 

[DudMan28]

If I'm a team without much natural talent that has a top 6 role ready to go for him, absolutely.

Just wouldn't pay more than a 2nd.

Red Wings might not be a bad place to start. Would inject some talent into their forward corps and lines up with their timeline, even if he's a bit "older"

 

[bl02]

Send him to SJ in a deal for Hertl....or to Boston for Debrusk +

i can see us sending him to boston and him just exploding lol
Send him west unless the return is too good.

 

[Levitate]

IIRC, our current GM was among those that pushed to draft him the hardest, as he took trips to Russia himself to scout him and was the main driving force to draft him.

I mean, he's not wrong that Kravtsov is a real good talent and I think normally would be a good pick!
I dunno how much you can find out about the potential for this kind of stuff pre draft scouting though

I will say that again if the Rangers have been overpromising stuff to their non NA prospects then they need to realize it has to stop

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’m sure Yzerman is calling up Drury offering some garbage for Kravstov because they’re willing to deal with the bullshit if it means getting a top talent out of it

 

[MarkMessyay11]

No, that's not what you said, you said, and I quote, "But, the fact is, that Kravstov became a luxury, not a necessity, once we lucked into Kakko and Lafreniere."

You really should stop misrepresenting what I said because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Here’s the rest of my quote, just in case you didn’t make it that far…

Not that they should treat him as such, but taking time with his development and putting him in a position to succeed at a lower level rather than plugging him into a limited role that didn’t fit his skill set should absolutely take priority over what he wants.

 

[Don Chytil]

The impression was pervasive in the organization, apparently.

David Quinn said on NBCSN that Kravtsov, has "a lot of hockey sense and skill, people rave about his character. He is someone we have talked an awful lot about over the last month and we are ecstatic to get him."
Rangers director of European Scouting Nikolai Bobrov, said "very exciting player, very smart, very skilled, great size and a lot of speed and good character."​

But all these fellas who raved about character that has since been found wanting are gone. I couldn't find anything linking Drury to the Kravtsov draft & would like to see it, if it's out there.

I'm going to throw out a controversial opinion here - the issue here might not really be "character" related at all. If an agent told me that by refusing assignment to the minors I might be able to force a trade somewhere like Buffalo or SJ where I'd be guaranteed a top-6 role and PP time, and that's not what the Rangers are offering.. in that situation what do I owe the team that drafted me? Loyalty? If his first thought is securing the bag over loyalty, I can't blame him for that.

It's a very American concept in sports that you should be loyal to the team that drafted you. In European sports it's common to request a transfer if you're not being used in the role that you believe you're ready for. And most of the time those requests are granted, and everyone moves on.

 

[Blais to Win]

Right, somebody in the organization has a conceptualization issue when it comes to intangibles. We consistently misidentified it the entire previous regime.

Nothing was more irritating the last few years than the straight-up laziness and loafing around from tuffbois like McLeod and Lemieux. Not to mention the headless chicken stupidity of a guy like Howden and yes, Trouba.

So far, I like what I see from Goodrow, Reaves, and Blais in terms of the new approach to intangibles we're taking.

I agree on most points you've made here, definitely like the grit we've got now. From the coach on down.

I differ on Trouba. Pretty baffling that he's a Howden comp for you, even if included as such for rhetorical flourish.