Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[NYR94]

Kravtsov + Jovo for Zucc + Webster

 

[mas0764]

Two things I want to point out here.

1. We have Blais, and the 2022 2nd has not been selected yet. If Kravtsov is indeed traded, we'll have something to show for it, so Buch+Kravtsov for Blais is disingenuous.

Late seconds are complete lottery tickets. It's likely that late second ends up as nothing.

2. Not NYR fault if two of their prospects can't handle the slightest hint of adversity. Better to find out now when there's still the chance for value. Or maybe they should've figured it out during the interview process.

I don't agree at all. I do think its very much the NYR's fault that their prospect can't handle the slightest hint of adversity. Obviously Kravtsov's baseline personality can't be attributed to Chris Drury but management of the player, setting his expectations, or, you know, trading him for better value before the situation blows up, all within their control. Or maybe not trading Buchnevich away if Kravtsov wasn't guaranteed that spot (which obviously now he was not).

 

[Savant]

Rangers currently have 8 million in cap space and IIRC 17 million going into next season. They could have fit him 0 questions asked

That’s not true though. They still have to have flexibility. Fox is getting paid. Kakko going to need a raise. I’m not saying I think Buchnevich should have been traded but within the next two offseason Rangers are going to have to dole out A LOT of capital.

 

[Levitate]

They put themselves in a position where they had to demote a waiver exempt player once they failed to put a player on waivers on Sunday. At that stage, it was either demoting Kravtsov, Kakko, Lafrenière or Lundkvist.

is your solution that they should have just kept him as the 13F?

it's also kinda saying "well we're scared this guy will bolt so we'll cave to his demands" and again you're gonna get in more trouble running a team that way

 

[Thirty One]

Kravtsov + Jovo for Zucc + Webster

They'd have to throw in Rossi for me to even consider it.

 

[Tob]

Kravtsov + Jovo for Zucc + Webster

 

[mas0764]

I’m very afraid to change my name to Kakko or Laf 420, I can’t handle them not working out

Maybe just don't take the name of a current player or prospect to be safe.

 

[Chytilmania]

Surely you must admit there is something fishy about this happening with two players.

Agreed, but if we swap Otthman and Kravtsov draft years, it may be a different story. When Krav and Lias were drafted we were lacking talent and pushing young guys into the lineup before they were ready. Otthman definitely came in knowing he's not making the team and will work on his game.
And if there was miscommunication then that's on the staff and FO.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Huge mistake by ny

 

[JimmyG89]

Rangers do it again. Sign Kreider and Panarin to long term deals and then go ahead and draft 12 wingers in the first round


YOU DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO DRAFT THE "BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE". YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DRAFT FOR ORGANIZATIONAL NEEDS


complete f***ing incompetence by the Rangers. This kid needs to play in the top 9 and there's no spot for him here. Trade for a bag of pucks incoming

Well, if we're going to be frank here, they had just drafted two centers in the first round the year before (Andersson and Chytil). There was no Panarin at the draft table when he was selected, neither was Kreider locked in long term, and Kakko and Lafreniere were just absolute shots in the dark if the team completely tanked out.

A lot has changed since Kravtsov has been drafted by the team. A big skilled winger was insanely high on the priority list. Debates here were endless about Wahlstrom, some about Farabee, and Kravtsov was mentioned too. We needed it. All the wingers around the team were aging. They did draft for need.

 

[mas0764]

Anyway he's hoping we can move him for another disgruntled type.

We don't need any more draft picks. We need NHL ready talent.

The whole damn problem is apparently that we don't need NHL ready talent, that we have no room.

The Blais's and Goodrows of the world are occupying all our middle 6 spots. And I'm certainly not dangling Kravtsov for a bottom line grinder.

I think we absolutely should turn Kravtsov into the highest value future that we can.

 

[nyrleetch]

Frustrating for sure. Kratsov needs to be better, but also part of me wonders if the Rangers are really down on him, and expected this.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Maybe just don't take the name of a current player or prospect to be safe.

Mas420 - your very chill alter ego

 

[Daves a mess]

• McIlrath
• Andersson
• Kravtsov
  
  Really hope this org gets its shit together and figures out how to dunk a ball. These top 10 picks are brutal.

Thank god Hugh Jessiman has finally been put to bed here lol.

 

[ohbaby]

Roster decisions are made on a game to game basis

Tomorrow they loaded up on beef, Dallas doesn't offer the same level of animus which would allow for an adjustment to the roster.

Dallas is also a very heavy team. Likely he wouldn't have gotten called up for the home opener either.

Eitherway, the team was straight forward in what it was trying to do,.... keeping all it's assets till it absolutely had no choice. How could Krav not know this? There aren't many wavier exempt options on this team.

Looks like his attitude has not changed one Iota from last year. He's not a team first guy. It's best to cut and run from a guy like this.

I'm very disappointed in him. I thought this crap was behind him.

 

[Tob]

You know, somehow a combination of Torts and Sather managed to communicate better than Gorton/Drury/Quinn/Gallant. Proper/better communication is a part of it but almost after the fact of the draft selection and setting a standard for the organization as well as not giving into the game of grooming prospects. A lot of it was on the players but hopefully the drafting is more even keeled from now on and we set the standard once and for all. Drury still needs more help in the FO.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

is your solution that they should have just kept him as the 13F?

it's also kinda saying "well we're scared this guy will bolt so we'll cave to his demands" and again you're gonna get in more trouble running a team that way

My solution is that they shouldn't have signed Libor Hájek.

Just so we're clear: I am not defending Kravtsov. His childish behaviour is f***ing BS and his value has tanked because of it. 3rd round pick incoming.

But this was going to happen the moment they failed to put someone on waivers on Sunday. Kravtsov is still better than Dryden Hunt.

They traded away Buchnevich with the intention of giving Kakko and Kravtsov more minutes. They should have just traded Kravtsov over the summer

 

[NYR Viper]

If Anderson returned a 2nd rounder, Kravtsov’s value is better than that.

 

[Daves a mess]

Oof

Can't say I like how the Rangers handled this, can't say I like how Kravtsov handled this
At this second not seeing a lot of winners in this

Lias Andersson. He's like "SEE, I TOLD YA"! #bratpack

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Well, if we're going to be frank here, they had just drafted two centers in the first round the year before (Andersson and Chytil). There was no Panarin at the draft table when he was selected, neither was Kreider locked in long term, and Kakko and Lafreniere were just absolute shots in the dark if the team completely tanked out.

A lot has changed since Kravtsov has been drafted by the team. A big skilled winger was insanely high on the priority list. Debates here were endless about Wahlstrom, some about Farabee, and Kravtsov was mentioned too. We needed it. All the wingers around the team were aging. They did draft for need.

So reverse the order of what I said and the result is still the same level of incompetence. Draft all these wingers, sign Panarin and Kreider long term, and then continue to draft...wingers.

I like Kakko a lot but he's not the player this organization needed to draft. He was the best player available. And he hasn't exactly lit up the league. He was BAD his rookie year

 

[Greg02]

Bolded is exactly right. The old school crowd can wax poetic about how Kravtsov "has to earn it," all day long but this is professional sports in 2021. This is an industry that caters to its players endlessly. Hockey less so than most, and I'm glad for that, but let's drop the toxic "Kravtsov has to take it like a man," mantra a little. Kravtsov is a multi million dollar asset for this team, and therefore, for its fans. It couldn't do a better job at managing that asset? It didn't see this coming? It didn't take the time to sit down with Kravtsov in the offseason and work out a plan?

The only thing this organization has proven they can get right is that they recognized (well, Gorton recognized) they couldn't win a Cup anymore in 2017 and began a needed tear down. He made some decent trades (ie Nash) but then blew the first two high picks of the rebuild. I sit here and have said "its obvious," the team would have drafted Zegras and Lundell had they not won those two lotteries but I dunno, their ability to go completely off the reservation pre- and post- lottery wins (Andersson, Kravtsov, and Othmann were all reaches to some degree, period - the excuse making re: Othmann and "some scouts having him in that area" now sound exactly like the post draft justification we heard on Kravtsov) is overwhelmingly concerning.

What's more, if they haven't hit grand slams with picks like Berard and Panjuniemi (ie, those become quality top 9 players) then this rebuild isn't done whatsoever. The forward corp other than Kakko, Laf and Chytil, who are basically our ONLY long term pieces on the team now, still needs drastic supplementing.

Drury has failed tests repeatedly this offseason.

He has yet another chance now, but he has to make something positive out of this Kravtsov situation. Package a defender. Get a long term center. He has to get a win out of this situation somehow.

All of a sudden is Kravtsov isn't here being pencilled in as a 60 point forward, that means we are short a 60 point forward, and that is a gaping hole that needs to be filled for the future of this team.

I feel like this is fairly off base. There's a pretty big difference between needing to earn it and taking it like a man. Maybe we should have moved on more aggressively but it's not an unreasonable expectation to want Kravtsov to either earn his spot or report to Hartford.

Moreover, I'm not sure that Kravtsov was ever going to get the opportunity to hit 60 points with this team. Kakko and Lafreniere are both here to stay, and Panarin and Kreider aren't going anywhere anytime soon. He was never going to see substantial amounts of powerplay time.

I think Kravtsov could have stuck around, proved it in Hartford, and been a contributor to the team. It's still possible that that's the outcome when the dust settles. However, one takeaway from this offseason for me is that the Rangers value the ability to fill a niche, and Kravtsov, at this time, does not actively fit.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Genuine question to those wanting Drury’s head for this situation - how do you feel about the Devils assigned Holtz to the AHL while rostering the likes of Jimmy Vesey? Holts is a consensus top 10-15 prospect and considerably more talented than Vesey. Yet the Devils chose to further his development over his desire to play in the NHL and he took that decision in stride.

How is that any different than Kravstov vs Gauthier/Hunt/Blais/whatever?

Holtz is 19

 

[Thirty One]

You know, somehow a combination of Torts and Sather managed to communicate better than Gorton/Drury/Quinn/Gallant. Proper/better communication is a part of it but almost after the fact of the draft selection and setting a standard for the organization as well as not giving into the game of grooming prospects. A lot of it was on the players but hopefully the drafting is more even keeled from now on and we set the standard once and for all. Drury still needs more help in the FO.

Can't have first round picks bolt if you don't make first round picks.

 

[Tob]

Can't have first round picks bolt if you don't make first round picks.

I knew you were going to throw that in my face

 

[Daves a mess]

The biggest concern to me is how we missed so badly on attitude for both Andersson and Kravtsov.

Now there is a legit criticism of management.
"F DRURY!" isn't.