Confirmed with Link: Kravtsov requests trade

[bl02]

What does he expect to happen by doing this? Is there another team willing to automatically put him in the top 9? I can’t imagine there are many so in all likelihood he be in the same situation. I get his frustration but if he plays well he’s so close, I feel like this just sets him back more from his own goals

sure send him to Arizona or another club destined for bottom 5 in the league.

 

[RangerBoy]

5. The Rangers sent Vitali Kravtsov to AHL Hartford. According to multiple sources, his agent has permission to talk to other teams about a trade. Always depends on ability to make a deal, but there’s definitely interest.

 

[Guttersniped]

I don’t have time to check, so sorry if this has been addressed - Cap Friendly says Kravtsov’s ELC has a European Assignment Clause. Is it still in effect? Does that mean he’s not required to report to Hartford?

 

[Levitate]

I mean what I'm getting from some people is "I like Kravtsov and think he should have been given a spot no matter what and the Rangers should have done what he said"

Which again, is no way to run a hockey team.

I like/d Kravtsov too and would honestly have been happier with him starting on that third line than its current configuration but I also find it hard to argue that Blais didn't outplay him and push him out of that spot. That's on Kravtsov and no one else, and that is the shit that happens sometimes.

 

[Edge]

Any inside insight here, or was this a shocker?

If this was a shocker for the Rangers, or not considered as a distinct possibility by the powers that be, than heaven help us.

You get burned once, shame on the player. When this happens multiple times (and twice by one player), then you need to look inward as well.

 

[bl02]

He left for the KHL, and, if I really correctly, had problems on the teams there, and then came back "more focused and more mature." First sign of adversity, we're back to this.

Wants to walk onto an NHL team after a camp where he looked like he was coasting at times. Did it to himself, in my opinion.

I don't know if the NYR org is promising these kids the moon or what.

This is a good point and if it's the case needs to stop. I tend to think it's not the case but who the heck knows?!
These kids need to mature a few years before even getting the idea they will be playing under the bright lights.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

well if Vitali was smart and/or mature he would realize if he played well in Hartford he would be up very soon.
Is it that hard for a 21 year old with his entire career ahead of him to accept a month playing in the AHL?
I haven't heard a peep out of arizona and Hayton...or in LA with all their prospects. Why the f*** is this happening here?

Country club mentality

 

[SML2]

Has the Eichel situation not taught us that requesting a trade and getting traded is not necessarily a short jump? Are the Rangers releasing his medical records or not?

 

[Thirty One]

The Rangers are very good at having the media play up the interest in their players. I hope there is definitely interest, but I'm skeptical.

 

[Savant]

We did actually, to make room for Kakko and kravstov on the right side. Kravstov is being a bitch, but still terrible asset management.

No. They traded Buchnevich because they didn’t have cap room to re-sign him.

 

[OthmannOut]

Tuba420*

420 Blais It writes itself.
I need a new name as well.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Unless you have definitive insight, I am not sure that is the way it went down. Gallant sure made it seem like Kravtsov didn't make the team, he didn't even want him around. He would have been playing in Hartford based on whatever merit and metric the staff is using to evaluate the team, not so much to protect Hajek. Goat appears to have "earned" the right to be the 13f over VK.

They put themselves in a position where they had to demote a waiver exempt player once they failed to put a player on waivers on Sunday. At that stage, it was either demoting Kravtsov, Kakko, Lafrenière or Lundkvist.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

That's taken already

BLAIZ420

 

[FireGerardGallant]

No. They traded Buchnevich because they didn’t have cap room to re-sign him.

Rangers currently have 8 million in cap space and IIRC 17 million going into next season. They could have fit him 0 questions asked

 

[Chytilmania]

Probably mentioned but if anyone has a right to be pissed off it's Zach Jones, who looked like one of our best defenseman period in preseason.

At least we don't have to worry about resigning Krav now lol. I'd overpay for Turcotte or someone like that. Hopefully Chytil takes 2C and then Turcotte or someone grabs 3C next year with Barron up as well.

 

[WojtekWolski86]

This kid isn't very bright.

What are the chances that Gauthier, whose defining flaw is consistency, has turn the corner and continues with the hard work and playing the right way?

What are the chances Kaako clicks with Panarin's line after looking meh on that line last year. I haven't seen anything that shows that chemistry has grown, even though Kaako's game has taken a leap forward.

What are the chances Laf succeeds in Buch's place with Ziba and Kreider...who is playing on his off-wing for the first time in his career.

Just factoring in those 3 or 4 things you couldn't swallow your pride for a few weeks in Hartford? Are you that stupid? Are you that naive that you listen to your agent who prolly wants you to to bolt back to the KHL and line his pocket even more? Or is it your own personal ego?

 

[Chytilmania]

Is Blais the Russian killer now? Do we have to worry about him taking Panarins spot after he puts up 130 points?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Anytime you can take two top 10 picks and turn them into a second round pick and return to be named later that won’t be as good, ya just have to do it

 

[mas0764]

Not sure how you can really point the finger at overall scouting here. The Rangers opted for character/grit in 2017 over skill and it was the wrong choice. They did the opposite in 2018 and it's looking like the wrong choice. Things break a little differently and the "terrible scouting Rangers" take Nick Suzuki and Joel Farabee.

Where the team really seems to fall woefully short is asset management. They seem quite clueless about problem children in the org (Andersson, Kravtsov, DeAngel0) until the situation is untenable. They overplay their hand when it comes to trading (See: Georgiev, Alexandar; DeAngelo, Tony; Strome, Ryan). They prioritize mediocre assets like Hajek and Hunt. They're either overflowing with bottom-six options or they're scraping the bottom of the barrel. They gift chances to some kids and continually block others. They trade for players like Gauthier hoping they can mold them into something they aren't. None of it makes any sense.

Something is very, very wrong with that part of the process. At the very least, Kravstov throwing a fit about a Hartford assignment should've been known before even coming into the season. You dealt Buchnevich and gifted this kid his golden opportunity. You need a back-up plan if he doesn't seize it and you need to know what his reaction is going to be before you make the call. The Rangers made a misstep there and "we hoped he had matured beyond this" isn't an acceptable answer when you have so much invested in him. If you think there's even the slightest chance that he'd do something like this, you need to have trade options at the ready. Do I think this is going to drastically impact his trade value? Not really but it's a bad look for an organization who has now seen this happen twice with top-10 picks. Now Chris Drury is pinning his hopes on Sammy Blais and a prayer that he can make a good Kravtsov trade.

Bolded is exactly right. The old school crowd can wax poetic about how Kravtsov "has to earn it," all day long but this is professional sports in 2021. This is an industry that caters to its players endlessly. Hockey less so than most, and I'm glad for that, but let's drop the toxic "Kravtsov has to take it like a man," mantra a little. Kravtsov is a multi million dollar asset for this team, and therefore, for its fans. It couldn't do a better job at managing that asset? It didn't see this coming? It didn't take the time to sit down with Kravtsov in the offseason and work out a plan?

The only thing this organization has proven they can get right is that they recognized (well, Gorton recognized) they couldn't win a Cup anymore in 2017 and began a needed tear down. He made some decent trades (ie Nash) but then blew the first two high picks of the rebuild. I sit here and have said "its obvious," the team would have drafted Zegras and Lundell had they not won those two lotteries but I dunno, their ability to go completely off the reservation pre- and post- lottery wins (Andersson, Kravtsov, and Othmann were all reaches to some degree, period - the excuse making re: Othmann and "some scouts having him in that area" now sound exactly like the post draft justification we heard on Kravtsov) is overwhelmingly concerning.

What's more, if they haven't hit grand slams with picks like Berard and Panjuniemi (ie, those become quality top 9 players) then this rebuild isn't done whatsoever. The forward corp other than Kakko, Laf and Chytil, who are basically our ONLY long term forward pieces on the team now, still needs drastic supplementing.

Drury has failed tests repeatedly this offseason.

He has yet another chance now, but he has to make something positive out of this Kravtsov situation. Package a defender. Get a long term center. He has to get a win out of this situation somehow.

All of a sudden is Kravtsov isn't here being pencilled in as a 60 point forward, that means we are short a 60 point forward, and that is a gaping hole that needs to be filled for the future of this team.

 

[Kravtsov420]

We are a Laf or Kakko away from our rebuild going belly up.

I’m going to take an educated guess as to what is going to happen, and let us pray it does not come to fruition.

This is year 3 for Kakko and 2 for Laf, and they can’t get on the power play. They’re not going to put up the points that we expect nor that they expect because of it. One of them is going to naturally be frustrated by this, and something is going to happen where they get traded. People are once again going to blame the player, but it will be too late.

 

[Chimpradamus]

... But he didn't earn a top line role.

The important part of your post. William Karlsson has upped his role from a third line in wherever (Columbus) to a top line in Vegas by just switching teams. Who does Kravtsov compete with? It's a VERY tough spot to earn a better line role in New York at the wings. Meanwhile in worse teams, he would earn a top spot in much easier ways. Do you think he didn't earn his top 6 spot because:
a) he wasn't good enough in the NHL for a top 6 role, or...
b) he competed with extremely good players?

Who are you to ask of such a young player to just submit to a team build when he wants to become a better player as he sees himself?

You go with a) while ignoring b). Why would Kravtsov want to remain on a team where the top spots are crazily heard to earn? While he on another team would climb in the lines like nothing because he's more talented than many other 1st line wingers? Weeeeelll..... what would you do in his spot?

Kaprizov is having a field day in Minnesota. Meanwhile Kravtsov is struggling to make his ways on a bottom line in New York. Who do you think Kravtsov wants to develop at? Who knows if Kravtsov would've been another Kaprizov if the team showed him the confidence to be so?

Kaprizov got the chance because the forwards in Minnesota are shit and he ruled the place. The forward lines are the opposite of shit in New York. Get it? If Kravtsov played in Minnesota he would also play in their 1st line along with Kaprizov. I think he would like that more.

Why would Kravtsov's career and development in New York be increased by staying here? Nothing says so. He's an offensively minded player that gets no room to develop as an offensive player. Why should he be interested in being a victim of his development in a talent ketchup effect?

Or should Kravtsov accept the orders - as a Russian - that he should accept the ideology of communism in the USA when he performs in the US entertainment business? I'm laughing my ass off. Literally. It's beyond hilarious.

 

[Daves a mess]

Wow, he’s done in New York then.

Just saving him the trouble of tripping over microphone cords during player intros at MSG.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Rangers do it again. Sign Kreider and Panarin to long term deals and then go ahead and draft 12 wingers in the first round


YOU DO NOT ALWAYS HAVE TO DRAFT THE "BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE". YOU ARE ALLOWED TO DRAFT FOR ORGANIZATIONAL NEEDS


complete f***ing incompetence by the Rangers. This kid needs to play in the top 9 and there's no spot for him here. Trade for a bag of pucks incoming

 

[MarkMessyay11]

Genuine question to those wanting Drury’s head for this situation - how do you feel about the Devils assigned Holtz to the AHL while rostering the likes of Jimmy Vesey? Holts is a consensus top 10-15 prospect and considerably more talented than Vesey. Yet the Devils chose to further his development over his desire to play in the NHL and he took that decision in stride.

How is that any different than Kravstov vs Gauthier/Hunt/Blais/whatever?

 

[Chytilmania]

Good opportunity to lead the league in Stromes

Pretty sure we are 1-0 when Trish announces the lineup. Get her behind the bench.