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PuckLuck3043 said:
Thats what people said about Lias and they did get a 2nd for him which turned into Cuylle who looks like a player. We will get some value back in a trade although it may not be exactly equal value. No need to rush anything.
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We did, and that was way after everything cooled down with him. Right now, the Kravtsov thing is still very fresh.
 
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Synergy27 said:
I think the blame in this situation is pretty evenly split between both parties.
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Probably, but ultimately it was Kravs choice not to report. What makes him so special? Both Jones and Barron played in the NHL last year and had good camps and were sent down without a problem. I'm sure both of them thought they did enough to make the team and were disappointed but reported with no problems. They are both similar ages also, 21 and 22. Chytil was also sent down a few years back, worked on his game, and was called up. Gallant may have thought the player and team could benefit from a short stint in the A. Possibly because of the injury and conditioning, who knows? I just don't understand why this kid and some posters here think he's so special. He hasn't earned shit.
 
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ohbaby said:
It wouldn't hurt to take a month off. Still plenty of time to get ready for the season. Recovery is very important after a long season. Must allow the body to heal after a long campaign. Allow all injuries to heal. This is common knowledge. You will still have a few months to get in shape.

Nobody said anything about taking the summer off. It just doesn't make sense to train right after the season has ended without any time to recover.
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Or you can be like Panarin....don't train at all and use the first month of the season to try and get in shape .
 
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Synergy27 said:
I think the blame in this situation is pretty evenly split between both parties.
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Imo only if you start from a position where the team is expected to know Kravstov is likely to throw a tantrum if sent down and think they should baby him because of that.

Otherwise, he got sent down to a league that far better players have spent time in, and a league he hasn’t posted the numbers that other players did when they graduated to the NHL. And this is on top of getting 20 games in the NHL last year and not doing much
 
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Would love to understand what Kravtsov's thought process is, today, now that this situation has become what it is.

Drury isn't trading him for a discount. There is absolutely no reason to rush a deal and it is simply not the way Drury operates.

Kravtsov cannot play in the KHL. He is currently suspended and if he sits out the entire year, the Rangers could potentially toll his contract so that he will be in the same situation next season.

There's probably close to a 0% chance that the Rangers would put him on the NHL roster even if he decided today to get on a plane back to NY. His only option is to report to Hartford, and even now that is difficult since he'll be joining a locker room of 20 guys who willingly decided to swallow their pride and ride the bus in the AHL so that they could continue to play hockey for a living.

He can't play anywhere and is wasting a key year of development at the age of 21.

If a trade isn't imminent, and it doesn't appear to be, this is just a colossal waste of time and really poor from a decision-making standpoint.
 
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TheBPA said:
Would love to understand what Kravtsov's thought process is, today, now that this situation has become what it is.

Drury isn't trading him for a discount. There is absolutely no reason to rush a deal and it is simply not the way Drury operates.

Kravtsov cannot play in the KHL. He is currently suspended and if he sits out the entire year, the Rangers could potentially toll his contract so that he will be in the same situation next season.

There's probably close to a 0% chance that the Rangers would put him on the NHL roster even if he decided today to get on a plane back to NY. His only option is to report to Hartford, and even now that is difficult since he'll be joining a locker room of 20 guys who willingly decided to swallow their pride and ride the bus in the AHL so that they could continue to play hockey for a living.

He can't play anywhere and is wasting a key year of development at the age of 21.

If a trade isn't imminent, and it doesn't appear to be, this is just a colossal waste of time and really poor from a decision-making standpoint.
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Couldn't agree more.

He either got some terrible advice or refused to take the right advice. The latter appears more likely considering he changed his agent.
 
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At this point kid will need to go the ahl no matter what just to get into game shape.

he needs to accept that fact and stop being a bitch. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he will be in the top 6. He just needs to work his ass of and prove it
 
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Ruggs225 said:
At this point kid will need to go the ahl no matter what just to get into game shape.

he needs to accept that fact and stop being a bitch. If he is as good as he thinks he is, he will be in the top 6. He just needs to work his ass of and prove it
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So true. lol

What did he expect to happen?

Demand a trade and the next week be in another sweater playing 18 minutes?

Literally one of the stupidest things I've ever seen a young athlete do
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
So true. lol

What did he expect to happen?

Demand a trade and the next week be in another sweater playing 18 minutes?

Literally one of the stupidest things I've ever seen a young athlete do
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this whole situation is just stupidity. He wants out. Fine i can live with that. But he has to be playing for us to trade him.

or he plays, and if he is that good he would get top 6 minutes anyway bc its there for the taking.

he is getting in his own way on both accounts.
 
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This team keeps repeating the same petty bs mistakes and a lot of times there isn't any rhyme or reason to their decisions....if he has to earn it, then how come Lundkvist is in over Schneider and Jones, what about Mckegg getting the call up over Barron? Lafreniere on the top line? The whole has to earn it thing isn't universal to everyone, it's an excuse to justify a decision that this team has made to punish a kid for a decisions he made 2 years ago, stop sugar coating it, Drury has a hard on for this kid and his demotion was to prove a point that he's the boss and nothing more. Kravtsov played well, and the fact that these guys basically begged him to come across and then did the same thing to him that triggered him the first time shows what this is and the fact that Gallant has to call him shows you where the problem is. Nobody in that organization can tell you with a straight face they think Gauthier is better than Kravtsov, not one. Would be nice to have his playmaking and shot on the right wall pp right now.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
This team keeps repeating the same petty bs mistakes and a lot of times there isn't any rhyme or reason to their decisions....if he has to earn it, then how come Lundkvist is in over Schneider and Jones, what about Mckegg getting the call up over Barron? Lafreniere on the top line? The whole has to earn it thing isn't universal to everyone, it's an excuse to justify a decision that this team has made to punish a kid for a decisions he made 2 years ago, stop sugar coating it, Drury has a hard on for this kid and his demotion was to prove a point that he's the boss and nothing more. Kravtsov played well, and the fact that these guys basically begged him to come across and then did the same thing to him that triggered him the first time shows what this is and the fact that Gallant has to call him shows you where the problem is. Nobody in that organization can tell you with a straight face they think Gauthier is better than Kravtsov, not one. Would be nice to have his playmaking and shot on the right wall pp right now.
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This. Remember when Brendan Smith made the team as a forward over Kravtsov who was clearly better? Kravtsov sees the hypocrisy when this happens. Ask yourself, what has Lafreniere done to take a spot over Kravtsov?

Could Kravtsov have just swallowed a hard pill and say "hey that's how business works, I'll get my shot eventually"? Sure, but let's not act like Kravtsov has no reason to be upset. Kravtsov's reaction was obviously not a smart one, but management should have learned from last time that this might happen. There's a time and place to teach a youngster a lesson, but if you know a player is close to the breaking point, which Kravtsov clearly was, you adapt. He should have made the team, and then took lessons from the coach (whether it be benchings, demotions in the lineup, etc.) as the season went on. Instead we pushed him to the breaking point and tanked his trade value just to make the point "hey you aren't the boss of us."

Just terrible asset management.
 
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KreiderBomb said:
This team keeps repeating the same petty bs mistakes and a lot of times there isn't any rhyme or reason to their decisions....if he has to earn it, then how come Lundkvist is in over Schneider and Jones, what about Mckegg getting the call up over Barron? Lafreniere on the top line? The whole has to earn it thing isn't universal to everyone, it's an excuse to justify a decision that this team has made to punish a kid for a decisions he made 2 years ago, stop sugar coating it, Drury has a hard on for this kid and his demotion was to prove a point that he's the boss and nothing more. Kravtsov played well, and the fact that these guys basically begged him to come across and then did the same thing to him that triggered him the first time shows what this is and the fact that Gallant has to call him shows you where the problem is. Nobody in that organization can tell you with a straight face they think Gauthier is better than Kravtsov, not one. Would be nice to have his playmaking and shot on the right wall pp right now.
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there is so much wrong with this post

1. Neither lundkvist nor Schneider did all that much to impress in preseason. Both probably need agl time. However we have no RD man. Jones is really a LD man and this team does not pike to play people on the off side.

2. Lafreniere has been bounced all around and is currently on the third line and hasnt bitched at all. We also have no alternatives in the top 6 currently bc a certain crybaby is staying in Russia and another top 6 winger is injured

3. barron is better off getting a ton of minutes in the Ahl rather than playing 4c here. That is why MCKegg is still here. And Barron hasnt done all that much to force himself to stay in his short stint here.

4. if kravtsov just went down like amost professionals do for the extra conditioning he most likely would be up and maybe in top 6 since our lines are in flux. But no, he had to pout and cry.

the rangers might f uo alot. But this is squarely on Kravtsov. He wants to be handed everything without having to work for it. Or compromise at all.
 
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This. Remember when Brendan Smith made the team as a forward over Kravtsov who was clearly better? Kravtsov sees the hypocrisy when this happens. Ask yourself, what has Lafreniere done to take a spot over Kravtsov?

Could Kravtsov have just swallowed a hard pill and say "hey that's how business works, I'll get my shot eventually"? Sure, but let's not act like Kravtsov has no reason to be upset. Kravtsov's reaction was obviously not a smart one, but management should have learned from last time that this might happen. There's a time and place to teach a youngster a lesson, but if you know a player is close to the breaking point, which Kravtsov clearly was, you adapt. He should have made the team, and then took lessons from the coach (whether it be benchings, demotions in the lineup, etc.) as the season went on. Instead we pushed him to the breaking point and tanked his trade value just to make the point "hey you aren't the boss of us."

Just terrible asset management.
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Well for one he scored at the same rate in the NHL at 19 years old as Kravtsov did as a 20 year old in the AHL
 
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It’s been discussed before, but I think there’s a legitimate cultural aspect at play here as well. Asking for a transfer from a Euro soccer club when you don’t have the role you want/expect is part of the business. Things are different in NA because of rights ownership but I think it’s totally possible that Kravtsov just wants to go somewhere with more opportunity and it’s not necessarily “personal”.
 
Synergy27 said:
It’s been discussed before, but I think there’s a legitimate cultural aspect at play here as well. Asking for a transfer from a Euro soccer club when you don’t have the role you want/expect is part of the business. Things are different in NA because of rights ownership but I think it’s totally possible that Kravtsov just wants to go somewhere with more opportunity and it’s not necessarily “personal”.
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I understand. But devils argument is that there IS plenty of opportunity here if he puts in the work.

its not like our top 6 RW is set. At all.
 
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Synergy27 said:
It’s been discussed before, but I think there’s a legitimate cultural aspect at play here as well. Asking for a transfer from a Euro soccer club when you don’t have the role you want/expect is part of the business. Things are different in NA because of rights ownership but I think it’s totally possible that Kravtsov just wants to go somewhere with more opportunity and it’s not necessarily “personal”.
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That is fine but if he wants a future in the NHL he will have to get on the ice. Sitting home playing video games is not going to help his career.
 
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