IMO Kopitar will take a home town discount with a NMC over maximum term. The cap hit will likely depend on where everybody thinks the cap is going; likely 8.5 minimum for Kopi. If he played for Philadelphia, however, they'd trade him within a year of the contract (sorry, couldn't resist it).
Kopitar's next contract?
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agentfouser
Playoffs?!?!
A lot those earlier guys were "bridge" players, basically warm bodies to allow the prospects time to learn in lower leagues, without the demands of the NHL.
Buddy The Elf
Kings!
You definitely were but as I remember it, that year the team really struggled to score goals (when have they not?) but played in quite a number of one goal games and improved their GA drastically. I'll have to look at what people were thinking the summer of 2009 but I'm pretty sure people really thought the team was starting to turn the corner. The bleeding had stopped. Young players were contributing. There were now a whole slew of prospects that could either help the Kings win or be traded for players who could. And that is essentially what happened.
You made a comment in that thread that you deserve to see the Kings win a Cup before you die. Who would have imagined that would happen twice in the next 6 years? After they won in 2012, I found myself a little bit detached from the team. You spend all this time, energy and money never really expecting them to win something. Then when they did I thought "now what"? I would still watch every game but had been able to enjoy them a little more without getting worked up over the outcomes. Then this year's playoffs happened and about Game 5 of the San Jose series I was back at square one. Biting my finger nails, yelling at the refs and players through the TV. I think I actually enjoyed the Cup win more this time around than the first. This year's run was incredible and incredibly exciting to watch.
Oh and to stay on topic, give Kopitar what he wants. It would make me sick to my stomach seeing him wear another team's jersey.
He should get as much as Ryan Getzlaf got . When Kopitar first got his contract, i thought he was over paid.
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Well if you want make that bet, let me know. So do you think he'll get more or less?
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Well, Getzlaf signed a new contract 1 year ago at an AAV of $8.25 million for 8 years. A week later Corey Perry signed an 8 year contract at an AAV of $8.65 a year. The first year of their contracts Getzlaf and Perry are both getting ~13% of the cap. If the cap jumps to $74 million and Kopitar gets paid along the lines of Getzlaf and Perry then he'll make between $9.5 to $10 million AAV for an 8 year contract.
KingPurpleDinosaur
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i don't think people quite understand how these long term contracts are supposed to work. His cap hit is supposed to look overpaid at the beginning. He was starting his career and he was supposed to get better over time. So as his talent increased (and number stayed the same), it makes him a good deal towards the end.
If he signs an 8 year contract at around age 28 that ends at 36, then his cap hit "should", again, look like a hell of a deal, but towards the end of his contract, it should look really bad, because we benefited from his cap looking like a deal during his most expensive years.
This is why Gaborik looks like a hell of a deal, because of the twilight years of his career that we signed him for. Good now, bad later. For young players, it's the opposite: bad beginning, good later.
HYORI 1963
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Brisson thinks Kane and Teows are worth 13.5 million
This is the same Brisson that is Kopitar's agent.
So 10,5 million is a home discount for Kane and Teows.
Worth 13.5 mil on the open market.
Kopitar?
If he is going to have a hell of a year playing alongside Gaborik and Brown/Carter/Toffoli and mayne win back-to-back cups how much of a discount do you realistically feel he will take.
I am thinking 10 mil AAV is a realistic figure or something close to that. But that is just me.
GKG!
This is the same Brisson that is Kopitar's agent.
So 10,5 million is a home discount for Kane and Teows.
Worth 13.5 mil on the open market.
Kopitar?
If he is going to have a hell of a year playing alongside Gaborik and Brown/Carter/Toffoli and mayne win back-to-back cups how much of a discount do you realistically feel he will take.
I am thinking 10 mil AAV is a realistic figure or something close to that. But that is just me.
GKG!
Brisson - Kane and Teows
Sorry, forgot the link:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=726519&navid=nhl:topheads
Cheers.
Sorry, forgot the link:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=726519&navid=nhl:topheads
Cheers.
Havent seen many ppl taking this into consideration. I think similar (same) AAV as Toews/Kane is probable. Higher wage first year or two (cause of higher cap) and bigger plunge on last year(s) of contract (age).. evens up on about same AAV. If AAV is lower than those 2 thats just a bonus.This is the same Brisson that is Kopitar's agent.
So 10,5 million is a home discount for Kane and Teows.
Worth 13.5 mil on the open market.
Kopitar?
If he is going to have a hell of a year playing alongside Gaborik and Brown/Carter/Toffoli and mayne win back-to-back cups how much of a discount do you realistically feel he will take.
I am thinking 10 mil AAV is a realistic figure or something close to that. But that is just me.
GKG!
And tbh i dont think it really matters.. Kopi will want fair wage and Lombardi will be prepared to give it to him.. i will be surprised and disappoitned if it turns out to be hard negotiations.
Bit silly that lots of ppl here demand recognition for Kopitar on main boards as a top 5 player in league, but then are shocked when he might dare to think to be payed as top 5 player in league. You either have both or none.
To me anything around the 10 mil AAV is very fair for the team and well deserved by Kopi. Still hoping he can get a few more SCs and a season where he posts around 90 pts, so he can finally step out of the shadow of the so-called NHL-best (Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos).
KOPI is LA's franchise player, an outstanding human being, humble and always with a great attitude in interviews. Hope he ends his career in LA.
The Article that I posted about Kane and Teows was just a reminder that maybe Teows and Kane did in fact take a discount to stay in Chicago, given that we know of a few teams that I'm sure would jump at the opportunity to snatch them for 11+ each.
GO KINGS!!
KOPI is LA's franchise player, an outstanding human being, humble and always with a great attitude in interviews. Hope he ends his career in LA.
The Article that I posted about Kane and Teows was just a reminder that maybe Teows and Kane did in fact take a discount to stay in Chicago, given that we know of a few teams that I'm sure would jump at the opportunity to snatch them for 11+ each.
GO KINGS!!
KopitarFAN
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He won't be top 5 for long, in the following few years a bunch of significantly younger players will be up for new deals, first and foremost, Stamkos.
I agree with you there. As much as I like Kopitar he is still not a top 5 player in the NHL in my opinion. A case could be made for top 10. But that would put him in the $9-9.5 million range. Which is about where I think he should be.
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This is the same Brisson that is Kopitar's agent.
So 10,5 million is a home discount for Kane and Teows.
Worth 13.5 mil on the open market.
Kopitar?
If he is going to have a hell of a year playing alongside Gaborik and Brown/Carter/Toffoli and mayne win back-to-back cups how much of a discount do you realistically feel he will take.
I am thinking 10 mil AAV is a realistic figure or something close to that. But that is just me.
GKG!
Hmm... Ya, they could've gotten more $ elsewhere, but a better all-around situation? Nah. They're going to say they didn't want to play anywhere else, and maybe they didn't, but that doesn't mean they're going to negotiate that way. Part of their agent's job is to say everything he can to portray his players as being worth top dollar and he's likely going to negotiate in that direction, while saying the players are being reasonable and taking a discount. The agent is conscious of PR.
I just don't think they took much of a hometown discount. A couple reasons:
1) Toews and Kane had the same agent and signed the same deal. It sure seems like they were trying to work together to apply leverage against the Blackhawks, something they could not have done had they tried their hand on the FA market since it's unlikely any other team could spend the cap space to sign both of them.
2) Players want to be paid well but they also want to win. How much they're willing to sacrifice one for the possibility of more of the other varies but had they gone somewhere else and been paid more, where could they go and be paid along the lines of what their agent claimed they're worth (13.8 million) and still be a contender? Especially when the new team is devoting 18.65% of next year's cap space (assuming 74 million) just to sign one of them. Any team devoting over 36% of cap space to both of them would be hard pressed to put a solid team around them. Toews and Kane know this but their agent isn't going to admit it in negotiations.
3) Assuming the cap hits $74 million next year, Toews and Kane are each getting 14.2% of it. How many players have an AAV of 14% or more of cap space in any year of the contract? I can't think of any and you can probably count the number getting that big a piece of the pie on one hand. In their biggest year Getzlaf and Perry around 12%, Malkin ~13.8%, Crosby's ~13.5%, Weber 13.1%. As a % of the cap and AAV both Toews and Kane signed possibly the biggest deals in the "new NHL".
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It happens. Remember the uproar when greedy Drew Doughty signed for 7 million and people thought he should be traded so that Jack Johnson could be our #1 defenseman? Yeah… Doughty on the open market gets max term and salary right now.
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Who the f*** is Trevor Moore?
I think no matter who else his agent represents, Kopi will direct his agent to represent what he wants, not what Toews wanted.
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Lol, what saints, leaving 3 mill on the table so they could still be the highest paid players in the entire league.
Of course they're going to say "we wanted to stay in Chicago all along". What else are they supposed to say? "We would have liked to stay with Chicago sure, but we also wanted to make as much money as possible, so we suppose that's nice it worked out in Chicago."
When Kopitar signs a deal worth less than 10 mill a year everyone is going to flip out.
I'm going 8 years, 70 million.
So 8.75. yes I know that this would be considered a discount but I think it will be enough. Never underestimate DL's way of convincing players LA is the place to be, a lot different than past years!
Drew may take 10 million a year to sign.
So 8.75. yes I know that this would be considered a discount but I think it will be enough. Never underestimate DL's way of convincing players LA is the place to be, a lot different than past years!
Drew may take 10 million a year to sign.
yankeeking
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I was pretty much feeling the same after forty years of waiting and dying each post season that first six months were quite different, didn't want to beat the hell out of duckand canuck fan anymore, didn't sweat the regular season much and even was ok wit the west finals loss, thought in my head that maybe the passion was gone a little and that all changed with this post season, what a team what a coaching staff. T he feeling about the cup wins are different at least for me, the first was a exhilarating feeling that came out of no where really, there had been signs of how good we were but that run had a little magic in it and now this run just showed how good we are even though it was harder to accomplish it showed that this team not only had talent but it had the heart of a champion no matter what happened during the game, the way game seven played out was so so incredible we can never again underestimate the need for heart in the recipe for winning a cup and only injuries can keep us from winning a few more over the next five years, and having a team like the hawks to measure against will make the wins and losses even better GO KINGS GO
KopitarFAN
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I tend to agree, I have just spitballed ideas comparing structure of the Toews deal to where it is at the age that Kopi will be when his deal starts.
However, who else was getting $6.8M (or thereabouts) coming off an ELC in 09-10?
That's almost a given, they can't negotiate his new deal for 4 more years, if PK Subban gets over $9M before this season starts, inflation alone may get him close to $11M in 2018.
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