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Belial said:
Drouin should play with Monahan IMO.

Be his lesser version of Goudreau.
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There’s zero doubt IMO, that Suzuki & Monahan will play as top-2Cs this season under MSL.

I still expect Dvorak will be dealt by start of season
 
Belial said:
No point to commit longterm? I hope you're joking...
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Not if he believes in himself...I mean, you might be taking this too literally. I get that money is money.

But why cap your earning ceiling after 3 NHL seasons?
Belial said:
If the Habs bras are convinced this kid can reach his potential through proper development they should definitely give him an 8-year deal right now!
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They just acquired him, he's played 0 games with the Habs, has had 0 practices with the Habs, little interactions with coaches and teammates.

There's not enough information to give him an 8 year deal right now.

And if you're Dach, with what you've done so far in your career, why would you sign an 8 year deal?

I know people are going to bring up Kotkaniemi, but that's an exception, not typically a rule for a player drafted 3rd overall and 3 years removed from being drafted.

I mean...sign for 8 years around 4M'ish or prove yourself over the next 2 years and sign for 7-8M? We're talking about a difference of 30M maybe more depending on how he does over the next 2 years of a bridge deal.

He's obviously going to bet on himself, most would.

Dach isn't getting an 8 year deal before you've even negotiated with Cole Caufield...come on man, be realistic.
 
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417 said:
Not if he believes in himself...I mean, you might be taking this too literally. I get that money is money.

But why cap your earning ceiling after 3 NHL seasons?

They just acquired him, he's played 0 games with the Habs, has had 0 practices with the Habs, little interactions with coaches and teammates.

There's not enough information to give him an 8 year deal right now.

And if you're Dach, with what you've done so far in your career, why would you sign an 8 year deal?

I know people are going to bring up Kotkaniemi, but that's an exception, not typically a rule for a player drafted 3rd overall and 3 years removed from being drafted.

I mean...sign for 8 years around 4M'ish or prove yourself over the next 2 years and sign for 7-8M?

He's obviously going to bet on himself, most would.
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32 M$ guaranteed is nothing to sneeze on and then he could sign another huge contract like Huberdeau just did.
 
Belial said:
32 M$ guaranteed is nothing to sneeze on and then he could sign another huge contract like Huberdeau just did.
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I never said it was anything to sneeze at, i'm not sure where you even got that impression.

I'm just thinking logically here, if the player believes in himself...

Yeah...32M sounds great, but you know what sounds better?

64M+

Unless the guy has no faith in his ability and wants to secure that bag now (which I understand is a possibility) and if the team is willing (which I find highly unlikely), then sure...maybe in that scenario it happens.

But again, I think that's a long shot.

Any agent worth anything would advise Dach to sign a bridge deal, bet on himself.

8 year deals are typically for foundational players...Suzuki got one, Caufield is likely to get one.

Dach's played 0 games for the Habs and he's going to walk in this season with an 8 year deal?

I don't see it man.
 
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MoneyManny said:
It's also on the player to develop himself. You can't polish a turd. He's not playing any better on a much stronger team in Carolina so i guess they failed at developing him too?

Teams can offer guidance but coaches can't hold the players sticks when they play. The guy still looks the exact same way he did on his rookie year... 4 years later. I won't believe for a second nobody ever pointed out his glaring weaknesses on the ice and never tried fixing them with him.

KK plateaued early, and it's nobody's fault but his own.

I feel like some of you just like to blame the organization because you lack the humility to admit having been wrong about a player.
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So you're saying that it's on a 17yr old (and in this case, European kid), to create his own development path?! Yes, it's up to him to train, push himself and to listen to the coaches.. but he was being deployed and developed by coaches that were working on saving their jobs first and foremost.. coaches that relied on vets. I'm absolutely blaming the organization for the way his development was handled. You can't blame a kid for the way his boss is handling his training.

Also.. he's played 1 season in Carolina.. again.. he just turned 22. He has plenty of time to grow.

Maybe you should learn to have a little patience here.. you seem to be the type that loses their mind if a kid isn't fully developed by the end of his ELC then he's garbage.. there's a lot of kids coming up in the system, I can't wait to see you flipping out once you realize that development isn't linear and they're all going to take some time.
 
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26Mats said:
Rumor is kh spoke with Oilers about taking a cap dump so they could get klingberg
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Oilers really need a Klingberg. Maybe they figure out it will be easier to get him with retention from Anaheim at the deadline, which is probably why we never see these sign and deal + retention trades in the off season.
 
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salbutera said:
Expected to be 100% healthy towards end of camp - just don’t know if he’ll be ready for game 1 or game 4 as Hughes stated
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Keywords are expected and 100%

Expected doesn't mean is. And it's hard to imagine he'll be back to his pre injury health. He may be 100% as healthy as he can currnetly be, which unfortunately may still be a shell of his former physical capabilities.
 
Runner77 said:
Do we know what was his faceoff ability before the injury? How about in juniors? Maybe that was never his strong suit and the injury merely interrupted an existing weakness in his game.
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The post below yours has the stats but of course without context difficult to surmise. Was he going against the elite face off men? if so,that could skew the results.Perhaps he fared well against the lesser but was weak against the top? Anyways, a new season and a new team and can easily improve this aspect of the game.
 
SuzukiSZN said:
No, Dach will be 2nd C.
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Lol honestly..
Right now the 2nd C is Dvorak. As unhappy as that may make people right now lol
Monahan will have training wheels for a bit so theres no way the just VAULT him into 2C duty even if the early reports are he feels great, it may very well happen he gets the 2C role but not right away
And Dach, ideally is the 2C of the future long term is probably the thinking
But again, they will not be giving it RIGHT away to Kirby to start the year, most likely he will start 3C, and we take it from there

But again honestly, the depth is fun and interesting
 
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I don’t know why you’d trade Dvorak now when his value is likely going to increase as the year progresses. He should have a better start this year. If they want to maximize his return, they should wait for the deadline and retain some salary. They can play Evans or Monahan on wing in the meantime. I’d try to move one or two of the wingers before the season starts.
 
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Redux91 said:
Lol honestly..
Right now the 2nd C is Dvorak. As unhappy as that may make people right now lol
Monahan will have training wheels for a bit so theres no way the just VAULT him into 2C duty even if the early reports are he feels great, it may very well happen he gets the 2C role but not right away
And Dach, ideally is the 2C of the future long term is probably the thinking
But again, they will not be giving it RIGHT away to Kirby to start the year, most likely he will start 3C, and we take it from there

But again honestly, the depth is fun and interesting
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It really doesn't matter what the labels are but in what people think 2Cs are, it will be Dach.

Dvorak will have the traditional 3C role of hard minutes, D zone starts, etc.

Dach will get o-zone starts and be on the 2nd offensive line.
 
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Redux91 said:
Lol honestly..
Right now the 2nd C is Dvorak. As unhappy as that may make people right now lol
Monahan will have training wheels for a bit so theres no way the just VAULT him into 2C duty even if the early reports are he feels great, it may very well happen he gets the 2C role but not right away
And Dach, ideally is the 2C of the future long term is probably the thinking
But again, they will not be giving it RIGHT away to Kirby to start the year, most likely he will start 3C, and we take it from there

But again honestly, the depth is fun and interesting
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I agree. In terms of usage, it will be Dvorak as the highest used C after Suzuki.
I am hoping that Dach finds himself on our 2nd PP unit. I know there has been some speculation that maybe Monahan plays wing with Dach to help out in the circle, and I think that would be ideal for those 2 to find a little chemistry together.
I really think we need to just enjoy the fact that we might actually have legit centre depth this year if Dach and Monahan pan out. I mean, the team overall will still be awful but we may be building something up the middle here.
 
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Redux91 said:
Lol honestly..
Right now the 2nd C is Dvorak. As unhappy as that may make people right now lol
Monahan will have training wheels for a bit so theres no way the just VAULT him into 2C duty even if the early reports are he feels great, it may very well happen he gets the 2C role but not right away
And Dach, ideally is the 2C of the future long term is probably the thinking
But again, they will not be giving it RIGHT away to Kirby to start the year, most likely he will start 3C, and we take it from there

But again honestly, the depth is fun and interesting
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I mean, it’s not like they wanna get to the playoffs and need to play their vets to make them win right now. Dach needs to get the most chances at playing bigger minutes with the best players we have. If he’s not ready then yes, you make Dvorak eat some minutes but he’s a priority more than the other older guys.
 
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rik schau said:
The post below yours has the stats but of course without context difficult to surmise. Was he going against the elite face off men? if so,that could skew the results.Perhaps he fared well against the lesser but was weak against the top? Anyways, a new season and a new team and can easily improve this aspect of the game.
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We don’t have parsed stats but based on the stats dug up by @Adam Michaels, faceoffs were never Dach’s strong suit, whether it be pre or post his wrist injury.

Certainly a facet of his game he can work on now that he’ll have better developmental structure to support his efforts.
 
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SuzukiSZN said:
I mean, it’s not like they wanna get to the playoffs and need to play their vets to make them win right now. Dach needs to get the most chances at playing bigger minutes with the best players we have. If he’s not ready then yes, you make Dvorak eat some minutes but he’s a priority more than the other older guys.
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Yeah curious to see what they do
 
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