Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[Whitesnake]

That would be amazing...


Who said it's tough?

Something easy doesn't take time.

 

[SlafySZN]

In the special about the draft when Hugues made the trade he called Dach welcoming him and telling him ''we're going to play offense''

Best quote in years from a GM

That was amazing seeing Hughes calling him right after the trade!

 

[MarioLeMoose]

The kid just turned 22yrs old.. he was bounced around so much while playing with MTL.. give him a couple of seasons to find some chemistry, shake off his poor development and I'd bet that there's a solid player in there. You can't blame him for wanting to take the money and get out of that system that wronged him.

Enough with the KK excuses already.
The Habs didn’t “wrong him”
Unless of course you mean they were wrong to draft him.

 

[Runner77]

In the special about the draft when Hugues made the trade he called Dach welcoming him and telling him ''we're going to play offense''

Best quote in years from a GM

Music to a player’s ears. The opportunity at more offensive stats means more leverage for a better future contract.

 

[417]

Anything over 1.7M is overpayment.

Evans produced more with less ice time and 0 PP time.

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Not how it works unfortunately...Evans deal isn't the comparable for Dach.

It's going to be a 2yr deal...right around 2M. Unless they go longer, which I'd be surprised if they did.

Something easy doesn't take time.

Debatable...there aren't alot of options here, just a matter of time.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Anderson - Suzuki - Caufield
Drouin - Dvorak - Gallagher
Slafkovsky - Dach - Dadonov
Hoffman/Pitlick - Evans - Armia/Pitlick
Pitlick, Hoffman, Armia

In the end, how Drouin can perform (without the puck) will determine the success of this forward group, along with the ability of a so-so D to move the puck.

And the duck soup taste better with the right spices.

I agree with your post. I see the second line as weak compared to the others. It's 3 players who were a deception last year. My fear is Dvorak will try to have a chemistry with Gally first. He will rely on him to bring the puck into the zone, so it might create turnovers and Drouin will have a defensive only role because the chemistry won't stick between Dvo and Gally. Drouin is the only fast skater and he is not the kind to take a leading role in a trio. That trio is written 'failed' unless these players combined plays way better than last year. I mean, who will transport the puck from d zone to offensive zone? Uuuhhh, not so sure.

The duck soup is out of context but yeah, I agree on that too.

 

[Whitesnake]

Debatable...there aren't alot of options here, just a matter of time.

To me, but that's just to me, here is the entire conversation that could have taken place...

So Kirby...we like you...but it's still needs to be determined when you can to based on stats. So based on this:

Kakko 2y 2.1M
Thomas 2 year 2.8
Lundestrom 2 year 1.8

How about 2 years 2.3? And should I remind you that it's just 500K off a guy that just had 77 points. And yes, I know taxes and all but still...On what basis could he ask for more based on comparables?

 

[417]

To me, but that's just to me, here is the entire conversation that could have taken place...

So Kirby...we like you...but it's still needs to be determined when you can to based on stats. So based on this:

Kakko 2y 2.1M
Thomas 2 year 2.8
Lundestrom 2 year 1.8

How about 2 years 2.3? And should I remind you that it's just 500K off a guy that just had 77 points. And yes, I know taxes and all but still...On what basis could he ask for more based on comparables?

Agreed with all of this but sometimes there's just posturing in negotiations...I expect we'll get some news shortly.

 

[Runner77]

Agreed with all of this but sometimes there's just posturing in negotiations...I expect we'll get some news shortly.

You’re correct about posturing. Since it’s a negotiation, I believe it’s not just sometimes, but always. Hughes acknowledged they were working on it in a recent interview so yes, something will get done soon.

 

[Scriptor]

Dach recently quoted as needing to prove himself and establish himself as a professional hockey player. What does that tell you about his next contract?

 

[417]

Dach recently quoted as needing to prove himself and establish himself as a professional hockey player. What does that tell you about his next contract?

Short term...there's no point for either side to commit to longer right now.

 

[BlackEye from Xhekaj]

Enough with the KK excuses already.
The Habs didn’t “wrong him”
Unless of course you mean they were wrong to draft him.

Such an uneducated "typical Habs fan" response.. the exact type I have to often apologize for. They absolutely wronged him and his development.. but great argument, very inspiring!

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Enough with the KK excuses already.
The Habs didn’t “wrong him”
Unless of course you mean they were wrong to draft him.

This is a garbage. MB and the coaches screwed KK over. I doubt they gave him any help on developing and they probably held every mistake against him. And MB likely screwed up contract negotiations. The only thing we don't know is if KK was willing to work on his deficiencies. We'll find out this season if Brind'Amour gives him a chance.

 

[ML16]

Assuming that no futher moves are made before the season and that Price is LTIRed for the entire year, the Habs would have about 4-5M available to extend Dach beyond similar bridge deal terms (+/- 2.5M AAV).

Dare I say it, enough for… a Kotkaniemi-like contract extension gamble! (Might explain the delay?)

This being said, a 2-3 years bridge deal around 2-3M AAV seems much more likely in Dach’s case.

 

[Scriptor]

Assuming that no futher moves are made before the season and that Price is LTIRed for the entire year, the Habs would have about 4-5M available to extend Dach beyond similar bridge deal terms (+/- 2.5M AAV).

Dare I say it, enough for… a Kotkaniemi-like contract extension gamble! (Might explain the delay?)

This being said, a 2-3 years bridge deal around 2-3M AAV seems much more likely in Dach’s case.

Considering there is 4 years left before each can become an UFA, a 2-year, bridge term is ideal. It should give each enough time to develop and give a solid hint as to his future in the NHL and maintains two years of RFA status to help lower the cap hit on a long term contract at that point.

Born in January, the two year contract would be played by a 21 and 22 year-old Dach. His extension on a 6-year contract, if warranted at that point, would have him play as a 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28 year-old, an easier sell at a lower cap hit to take into account 2 RFA years out of a 6-year contract. It also sets each up for another long term deal as a 29 year old when he starts playing on the next contract.

Another 7-years as a 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34 and 35 yr-old, if he proves his mettle?

Smart planning for each to go this route and signing Dach to a 2-year bridge and a 6-year contract extension afterwards would be like signing him to an 8-year contract now.

I just hope he pans out.

 

[Wats]

Maybe there's more Monahan type trades in the works and HuGo need the capspace.

 

[26Mats]

Maybe there's more Monahan type trades in the works and HuGo need the capspace.

Rumor is kh spoke with Oilers about taking a cap dump so they could get klingberg

 

[Belial]

Short term...there's no point for either side to commit to longer right now.

No point to commit longterm? I hope you're joking...

If the Habs bras are convinced this kid can reach his potential through proper development they should definitely give him an 8-year deal right now!

 

[MarioLeMoose]

This is a garbage. MB and the coaches screwed KK over. I doubt they gave him any help on developing and they probably held every mistake against him. And MB likely screwed up contract negotiations. The only thing we don't know is if KK was willing to work on his deficiencies. We'll find out this season if Brind'Amour gives him a chance.

“I doubt” “probably” “likely”
You’re just grasping at anything to make excuses for this kid.
We already found out last season in Carolina, he was just as garbage then as he was for us. Even worse in the playoffs.
But if you think this season will be any better then goody for you fanboy.

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Such an uneducated "typical Habs fan" response.. the exact type I have to often apologize for. They absolutely wronged him and his development.. but great argument, very inspiring!

Great. Keep apologizing on behalf of me and all the other uneducated typical Habs fans. All while KK’s on ice play continues to do nothing to prove himself… very inspiring!

 

[MoneyManny]

Such an uneducated "typical Habs fan" response.. the exact type I have to often apologize for. They absolutely wronged him and his development.. but great argument, very inspiring!

It's also on the player to develop himself. You can't polish a turd. He's not playing any better on a much stronger team in Carolina so i guess they failed at developing him too?

Teams can offer guidance but coaches can't hold the players sticks when they play. The guy still looks the exact same way he did on his rookie year... 4 years later. I won't believe for a second nobody ever pointed out his glaring weaknesses on the ice and never tried fixing them with him.

KK plateaued early, and it's nobody's fault but his own.

I feel like some of you just like to blame the organization because you lack the humility to admit having been wrong about a player.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I agree with your post. I see the second line as weak compared to the others. It's 3 players who were a deception last year. My fear is Dvorak will try to have a chemistry with Gally first. He will rely on him to bring the puck into the zone, so it might create turnovers and Drouin will have a defensive only role because the chemistry won't stick between Dvo and Gally. Drouin is the only fast skater and he is not the kind to take a leading role in a trio. That trio is written 'failed' unless these players combined plays way better than last year. I mean, who will transport the puck from d zone to offensive zone? Uuuhhh, not so sure.

The duck soup is out of context but yeah, I agree on that too.

I have Drouin / Dvorak / Gallagher together as well but I wonder about Dvorak and Gallagher skating on the same line. Very curious to see what MSL tinkers with. We will get an indication at the early stages of camp.

Also not sure if Anderson plays with Suzuki/Caufield or does he play with Dach?

Not many considering Gallagher with Dach? Gallagher has become unpopular due to his horrible season last year but he will get a shot to rebound.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Dach recently quoted as needing to prove himself and establish himself as a professional hockey player. What does that tell you about his next contract?

That he'll play for free.

 

[Belial]

I have Drouin / Dvorak / Gallagher together as well but I wonder about Dvorak and Gallagher skating on the same line. Very curious to see what MSL tinkers with. We will get an indication at the early stages of camp.

Also not sure if Anderson plays with Suzuki/Caufield or does he play with Dach?

Not many considering Gallagher with Dach? Gallagher has become unpopular due to his horrible season last year but he will get a shot to rebound.

Drouin should play with Monahan IMO.

Be his lesser version of Goudreau.

 

[BLONG7]

Drouin should play with Monahan IMO.

Be his lesser version of Goudreau.

I was kinda hoping, Drouin would play with the Preds this year, but that's just me.

As for Dach, thinking he gets around 1.8M and two years.........