Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[ReHabs]

Nope. If you want to give him chances and top minutes and not 2 scrubs to play with he’ll be 2C.

A 30 point 2nd line centre isn’t even good enough for a 32nd ranked team

It’s a bit entitled to simply expect him to be a 2nd line C when he couldn’t get it done in Chicago.

 

[SlafySZN]

A 30 point 2nd line centre isn’t even good enough for a 32nd ranked team

It’s a bit entitled to simply expect him to be a 2nd line C when he couldn’t get it done in Chicago.

You’re right. They probably traded for him to play him down the lineup with armia and pezzetta. That’s clearly the way to develop a player, it worked with Caufield a the start of the season as we all saw.

Funny because if he plays on the 3rd or 4th line with scrubs you’ll be the first one to say he doesn’t score enough points for your liking. Since points seems to be all you care about.

 

[ReHabs]

You’re right. They probably traded for him to play him down the lineup with armia and pezzetta. That’s clearly the way to develop a player, it worked with Caufield a the start until mid-season.

Funny because if he plays on the 3rd or 4th line with scrubs you’ll be the first one to say he doesn’t score enough points for your liking.

Not so my friend. I’m only referring to his past season.

I think he can earn a top6 role pretty much by through training camp and/or when Dvorak is dealt away.

Whether he produces is another issue.

The other person you were replying to suggested the same thing. He’s not a top6 C……. Yet.

 

[SlafySZN]

Not so my friend. I’m only referring to his past season.

I think he can earn a top6 role pretty much by through training camp and/or when Dvorak is dealt away.

Whether he produces is another issue.

The other person you were replying to suggested the same thing. He’s not a top6 C……. Yet.

Ok so i don’t really understand what’s the problem with what i said? lol

he’ll earn his top 6 role at camp. If dvorak earn it for the start of the season so be it, doesn’t mean it won’t change soon in the season. But my point was they traded Romanov for a C they though will become a top 6C in the long run.

 

[malcb33]

In other words, Romanov, 66 + 4th round for Dach. In this deal where the most important assets are players, the rule of thumb is the team that ends up with the best player win.

What’s funny about this, is if this was proposed on the main trade thread, it would have been laughed at and a tonne of posters would have said no way that gets Dach, “typical Habs posters always over valuing their players”…

Personally I think Dach is worth the risk and Montreal has the assets stock piled to make it feasible. I would have selected Wright though, and used 13th on Kemell or one of the Russians, but that’s a different thread entirely.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Who would you all took with 66th pick?

Ty Nelson for me. Built like a tank, plays heavy game, right shot, has a swagger about him. Former #1 pick overall in OHL.


They usually not that bad though. Probably play him on wing until Dvorak is traded.

At 62 I was fine with any of Hutson, Nelson, Nordberg, Odelius or Perevalov. Only Nelson and Perevalov were left 4 picks later so it would have been Nelson for me as well. He is s RHD and is built like a fire hydrant so he should be able to handle himself as he gets even stronger......a bigger version of Bouillon sounds good to me.

It was a crazy sequence as I was actually hoping for Goyette to fall to 62 but he got snapped up at 61.

 

[SlafySZN]

What’s funny about this, is if this was proposed on the main trade thread, it would have been laughed at and a tonne of posters would have said no way that gets Dach, “typical Habs posters always over valuing their players”…

Personally I think Dach is worth the risk and Montreal has the assets stock piled to make it feasible. I would have selected Wright though, and used 13th on Kemell or one of the Russians, but that’s a different thread entirely.

The thing is that Kent Hughes got the 13th especially to get Dach since chicago wanted picks so no Dach, no 13th. They never had the intention to use it to draft a player!

 

[417]

Not so my friend. I’m only referring to his past season.

I think he can earn a top6 role pretty much by through training camp and/or when Dvorak is dealt away.

Whether he produces is another issue.

The other person you were replying to suggested the same thing. He’s not a top6 C……. Yet.

Well if he's going to play 12-14 mins a game...it'll be tough to get 50+pts.

His challenge will be to prove he's better than Dvorak (and Evans to a certain extent) and that's not likely something he can do in the short term but more likely over time.

I assume he'll start off as a 3rd or 4th line center and hopefully he can take advantage of his ice time to show the team that Dvorak is expendable (if that isn't already obvious).

 

[montreal]

At 62 I was fine with any of Hutson, Nelson, Nordberg, Odelius or Perevalov. Only Nelson and Perevalov were left 4 picks later so it would have been Nelson for me as well. He is s RHD and is built like a fire hydrant so he should be able to handle himself as he gets even stronger......a bigger version of Bouillon sounds good to me.

It was a crazy sequence as I was actually hoping for Goyette to fall to 62 but he got snapped up at 61.

I can't believe Goyette fell that far, I would have picked him in the top 20, think he's one of the best players I saw in the OHL.

 

[malcb33]

The thing is that Kent Hughes got the 13th especially to get Dach since chicago wanted picks so no Dach, no 13th. They never had the intention to use it to draft a player!

I wasn’t talking about the management’s intentions, I was talking about what I would have done knowing I could trade Romanov + for the 13th. But none of that is the purpose of the thread, so I’ll leave it there.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Do you really think you could’ve got better than a 21 years old top 6 C by trading romanov? Come on now. I bet no one would ever think romanov could fetch a 13th overall.

Dach isn't a top 6 C.

 

[Runner77]

Dach isn't a top 6 C.

Can we agree on top 6 upside?

 

[FF de Mars]

Dach isn't a top 6 C.

You're right, he's not a top 6 C, he's a number one center! Just watch him surpass Suzuki in the depth chart.

 

[HuGort]

I can't believe Goyette fell that far, I would have picked him in the top 20, think he's one of the best players I saw in the OHL.

I imagine you would have picked Tucker Robertson if we hadn't traded the 66th pick? I remember you told me in draft thread he was a steal in 2nd round. The 3rd round be robbery

 

[FF de Mars]

You’re out to lunch if you’re being serious

I don't have a crystall ball but that's possible, and as soon as this year. Dach has great hands and playmaking, and all of the physical tools you want. He's the next Getzlaf for all we know. Last season, the Hawks were a parody of a team. The kid has already been groomed and he's ready. Don't act surprised if that happens.

 

[Big Empty]

What’s funny about this, is if this was proposed on the main trade thread, it would have been laughed at and a tonne of posters would have said no way that gets Dach, “typical Habs posters always over valuing their players”…

Personally I think Dach is worth the risk and Montreal has the assets stock piled to make it feasible. I would have selected Wright though, and used 13th on Kemell or one of the Russians, but that’s a different thread entirely.

Life hack: ignore the main trade thread

 

[River Meadow]

 

[SlafySZN]

Dach isn't a top 6 C.

They traded for him thinking he’s gonna become one.

Of course he’s not a 1C or elite 2C now but that’s what you want him to become, hughes didn’t trade for him to be 3C.

 

[SlafySZN]

That man interviewing Kirby is so bad lol.

‘’You’re not stepping in a situation where it’s a team that struggling, this is a team that’s build to win right now’’

Where as he been

 

[River Meadow]

That man interviewing Kirby is so bad lol.

‘’You’re not stepping in a situation where it’s a team that struggling, this is a team that’s build to win right now’’

Where as he been

It's John Scott, lol

 

[SlafySZN]

It's John Scott, lol

He doesn’t deserve me saying his name after his take on the habs

 

[dcyhabs]

Sure but Galchenyuk was an NHLer right off the bat and never fixed anything. Kotkaniemi was an NHLer right off the bat and never fixed his skating stride or his balance.

The same development staff who failed to fix our own draftees are still here.

I don’t mean to be pessimistic — simply saying it’s intriguing and interesting the uphill battle that Dach will have to solve. I don’t know anything about his “character” but does he have that in him? Fixing your skating stride is not impossible but from what I understand it sure has hell isn’t straightforward. Brayden Point did it, many others didn’t.

What about physical balance and using your body? Can you teach someone to use their body if they’ve played for 10+ years another way?

It takes willingness. Joshua Roy had a weak shot but he practised it thousands of times and now it’s really good. His passing was weak but he practiced it and it’s a strength.

It’s not easy to change something that has been second nature for 15 years, and changing it doesn’t guarantee it will be better. We’ll find out what his level of desire is.

 

[Runner77]

What a shoddy interviewer John Scott is. Most of the time was spent on dead end questions and empty banter. The idiot thought that the Habs’ AHL franchise was in St-John’s.

From the little that was salvageable, Dach acknowledged that his shot needs work and that he’s been spending a lot of time working on it this summer. And he’s going to wear no. 77. He looked into it and knew that Kulak and Gilbert wore that number as Habs.

What a missed opportunity to delve deeper.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Just saw this on YouTube.

The guy in the right hand corner is just weird and doesn't need to be there.

I know this is professional amateurish, but they need to edit it so you go from whomever is talking to whomever is talking with the odd shot off all 3. Just seeing that guy look awkward in the top right got more of my focus than the questions

 

[Doc5]

What a shoddy interviewer John Scott is. Most of the time was spent on dead end questions and empty banter. The idiot thought that the Habs’ AHL franchise was in St-John’s.

From the little that was salvageable, Dach acknowledged that his shot needs work and that he’s been spending a lot of time working on it this summer. And he’s going to wear no. 77. He looked into it and knew that Kulak and Gilbert wore that number as Habs.

What a missed opportunity to delve deeper.

Yup those were my take always too

Oh! That and the fact that #22 is apparently retired for Shutt.