Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[Kudo Shinichi]

I wasn’t that much on social medias watching what people were saying about the trade at the time but many people weren’t very high on suzuki, right?

Suzuki was seen as the worst or the 2nd worst of Vegas top 4 prospects (Glass, Suzuki, Hague, brannstrom)

 

[SlafySZN]

People here has the weirdest comparison, evans now danault

 

[abo9]

He’s not gonna be a Suzuki , I’ll guarantee that
I hope and I say I hope he can give up some Danault type of hockey

What's the stylistic comparison to Danault?
Is Dach superb defensively?
Or is it that he cannot shoot a puck to save his life?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

People here has the weirdest comparison, evans now danault

I suspect many have never seen him play. Much like many never watched Wright play before readily anointing him with first overall status.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

He’s not gonna be a Suzuki , I’ll guarantee that
I hope and I say I hope he can give up some Danault type of hockey

I suspect the poster isn’t inferring stylistic similarities only that we may have acquired a player that disappointed the team that originally drafted him and that they wrongly sold early.

 

[WeThreeKings]

What's the stylistic comparison to Danault?
Is Dach superb defensively?
Or is it that he cannot shoot a puck to save his life?

There's no comparison other than coming from the same team.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What's the stylistic comparison to Danault?
Is Dach superb defensively?
Or is it that he cannot shoot a puck to save his life?

This would be the player that scored more goals than any Hab this past season.....turns out it was Danault who was carrying Tatar and Gallagher

 

[abo9]

Well you’ve made him a number one and seem to get offended if posters disagree with you
Until proven differently he’s no better than evans and he’s certainly not as valuable as Danault was to the habs
You’re going on blind faith and that’s all



Never compared them all I said is you can hope he’s as valuable as Danualt was
Where did I compare them? Danualt was so underrated
Gallagher suffered without him and the habs had zero second line

"Some Danault type hockey"
Bringing Danault's "type" of hockey is where I thought you were comparing them. I'm not saying Danault's bad, but he olayed an extremely niche type of hockey here so I was genuinely wondering if that's what you saw in Dach.

Little jab at Danault's shot mever hurt though

This would be the player that scored more goals than any Hab this past season.....turns out it was Danault who was carrying Tatar and Gallagher

Nothing to do with his shot most of his goals came from the dirty area around the net, a space he wasn't allowed to explore in Montreal. Playing PP too with the Kings, which he had not done much in Montreal.

As for Gallagher, I think injuries had much more of an impact than Danault's departure - Gallagher was already an established NHLer when he joined a line with Danault.

it's unfortunate that we lost Danault for nothing, but he did not want to be a Habs anymore.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

"Some Danault type hockey"
Bringing Danault's "type" of hockey is where I thought you were comparing them. I'm not saying Danault's bad, but he olayed an extremely niche type of hockey here so I was genuinely wondering if that's what you saw in Dach.

Little jab at Danault's shot mever hurt though



Nothing to do with his shot most of his goals came from the dirty area around the net, a space he wasn't allowed to explore in Montreal. Playing PP too with the Kings, which he had not done much in Montreal.

As for Gallagher, I think injuries had much more of an impact than Danault's departure - Gallagher was already an established NHLer when he joined a line with Danault.

it's unfortunate that we lost Danault for nothing, but he did not want to be a Habs anymore.

I am not sure that Gallagher wasn't already on the decline and Danault was propping him up.

Danault can shoot the puck but he never got a chance to because Gallagher ended every possession with a shot and Tatar was also of a shoot first mentality. He is certainly not a sniper but he can shoot the puck and had a couple of nice snipes this season but you are absolutely correct that he did most of his damage in close. He has really good hands and had a number of quick one time goals from the low, middle slot as well as the hand/eye to react to rebounds and quickly bury them. I would say that his shot is hardly a weakness but not a strength either, just NHL average. Danault is smart enough to know that average shooters rarely beat NHL goaltenders from distance any more and adjusted his shot selection accordingly.

I think we can agree that no team ever game planned for Danault's shot even if we don't necessarily agree on the quality of the shot.

MSL will undoubtedly push Dach to shoot more in order to keep defence's honest. It will be interesting to see if he has an under utilized hidden talent there. Other big playmakers like Spezza, Getzlaf and Thornton had great shots but just refused to use it with any regularity.

 

[tooji]

Yeah from watching videos of him that gliding habit needs to be worked out of his game. Reminds me of chucky who would go into the wide legged glide at every opportunity.

 

[Montreal Shadow]

Hopefully, he puts on some weight. 198 at 6'4" is too skinny.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

The ladies are the biggest winners in all of this.. Dacher has an absolute rope on him.

You're speaking from personal experience with him?

 

[Skip Bayless]

I cannot take him seriously with that first name

 

[DAChampion]

I cannot take him seriously with that first name

Think Kirby Puckett rather than Kirby's Dreamland.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Think Kirby Puckett rather than Kirby's Dreamland.

I really liked KP. Such a shame he died so young.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Trade Analysis: Can Kirby Dach live up to expectations with the Montréal Canadiens?

Continuing with looking into the draft night trade between the Montréal Canadiens, Chicago Blackhawks and New York Islanders, David St-Louis looks into Kirby Dach.

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[ReimanSum1908]

People here has the weirdest comparison, evans now danault

I know. He is absolutely nothing like Danault, as their style of play could not be any more radically dissimilar.

 

[Runner77]

Trade Analysis: Can Kirby Dach live up to expectations with the Montréal Canadiens?

Continuing with looking into the draft night trade between the Montréal Canadiens, Chicago Blackhawks and New York Islanders, David St-Louis looks into Kirby Dach.

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Reading through all of that, what struck me is the high number of situations where Dach’s decision making and self awareness need to be either improved upon or recalibrated.

All players have areas they need to improve on but given his missed playing time, will some of these deficiencies be improved upon simply by more playing experience? Obviously, some others will require more direct intervention in order to instil new habits.

I have to assume that the level of sophistication of an advanced development personnel that the Habs are building, will already be aware of these areas of improvement and how to best tackle them.

So much for the sink or swim approach of the prior administration — there is a whole other level of sophisticated support that favours a player’s chances of raising his game and doing it much quicker. That article made me realize just how much work can be required.

 

[SlafySZN]

Well you’ve made him a number one and seem to get offended if posters disagree with you
Until proven differently he’s no better than evans and he’s certainly not as valuable as Danault was to the habs
You’re going on blind faith and that’s all



Never compared them all I said is you can hope he’s as valuable as Danualt was
Where did I compare them? Danualt was so underrated
Gallagher suffered without him and the habs had zero second line

Since when did i ever say he’s a number 1?

You got offended when i said that a 21 years old player has much room to improve and get better

and you try to compare him to evans over and over since.

 

[Gustave]

Reading through all of that, what struck me is the high number of situations where Dach’s decision making and self awareness need to be either improved upon or recalibrated.

All players have areas they need to improve on but given his missed playing time, will some of these deficiencies be improved upon simply by more playing experience? Obviously, some others will require more direct intervention in order to instil new habits.

I have to assume that the level of sophistication of an advanced development personnel that the Habs are building, will already be aware of these areas of improvement and how to best tackle them.

So much for the sink or swim approach of the prior administration — there is a whole other level of sophisticated support that favours a player’s chances of raising his game and doing it much quicker. That article made me realize just how much work can be required.

We have to be honest on who Dach is at this point; he’s a reclamation project. For all intents and purposes, Dach has little to blame for it but it is what it is. He wasn’t developped properly, injury prone and worst of all expected to be something he couldn’t be which was to take over from the stars of the Hawks right away. Crazy expectations.

Scouts fell in love with his tools and size combo like they always do. He was never a goal scorer nor a physical beast. He won’t become one here either. Not a particular good player defensively either or a faceoff specialist. Now with the injuries he’s even more at risk of not developing these areas. If they think MSL can work with him and getting the most of his abilities, they think that Marty can do anything.

I agree with you on all fronts; we have put faith in our development team to bring forward the best out of every young player. I’m worried about it with Dach because he’s down the wrong path. We better hope MSL and co do little miracles.

 

[ReHabs]

We have to be honest on who Dach is at this point; he’s a reclamation project. For all intents and purposes, Dach has little to blame for it but it is what it is. He wasn’t developped properly, injury prone and worst of all expected to be something he couldn’t be which was to take over from the stars of the Hawks right away. Crazy expectations.

Scouts fell in love with his tools and size combo like they always do. He was never a goal scorer nor a physical beast. He won’t become one here either. Not a particular good player defensively either or a faceoff specialist. Now with the injuries he’s even more at risk of not developing these areas. If they think MSL can work with him and getting the most of his abilities, they think that Marty can do anything.

I agree with you on all fronts; we have put faith in our development team to bring forward the best out of every young player. I’m worried about it with Dach because he’s down the wrong path. We better hope MSL and co do little miracles.

How many prospect success stories do we have with reclamation projects or just projects in general?

Have Lapointe and Bouillon earned our respect and trust?

 

[waitin425]

Romy stings for sure. I loved that kid and wanted the best for him. I am very intrigued by Dach. I hope the trade for him wasn't purely meant to soften the blow of taking Slaf instead of the centre in Wright. I suspect that Hughes and Gorton are both very high on his potential, and I would like to think they wouldn't have made such a move without ample scouting of Dach and what his potential is. I give it a 50/50 at this point turning out better for us. I really hope it isn't Serg/Drouin 2.0 though.

Time will tell...but for now, welcome aboard Kirby! Get ready for a ride!

 

[Kennerback]

We have to be honest on who Dach is at this point; he’s a reclamation project. For all intents and purposes, Dach has little to blame for it but it is what it is. He wasn’t developped properly, injury prone and worst of all expected to be something he couldn’t be which was to take over from the stars of the Hawks right away. Crazy expectations.

Scouts fell in love with his tools and size combo like they always do. He was never a goal scorer nor a physical beast. He won’t become one here either. Not a particular good player defensively either or a faceoff specialist. Now with the injuries he’s even more at risk of not developing these areas. If they think MSL can work with him and getting the most of his abilities, they think that Marty can do anything.

I agree with you on all fronts; we have put faith in our development team to bring forward the best out of every young player. I’m worried about it with Dach because he’s down the wrong path. We better hope MSL and co do little miracles.

Agree on your whole analysis but I’m slightly more optimistic in the prognosis.

 

[Runner77]

We have to be honest on who Dach is at this point; he’s a reclamation project. For all intents and purposes, Dach has little to blame for it but it is what it is. He wasn’t developped properly, injury prone and worst of all expected to be something he couldn’t be which was to take over from the stars of the Hawks right away. Crazy expectations.

Scouts fell in love with his tools and size combo like they always do. He was never a goal scorer nor a physical beast. He won’t become one here either. Not a particular good player defensively either or a faceoff specialist. Now with the injuries he’s even more at risk of not developing these areas. If they think MSL can work with him and getting the most of his abilities, they think that Marty can do anything.

I agree with you on all fronts; we have put faith in our development team to bring forward the best out of every young player. I’m worried about it with Dach because he’s down the wrong path. We better hope MSL and co do little miracles.

Is Dach really injury prone or did he merely sustain a freak injury that was poorly rehabbed and from which he came back too soon? If Dach had a history of missing a lot of playing time before his wrist injury, I’d agree. But outside of his wrist injury (one that is very difficult to heal), what about him says that he’s injury prone?

 

[SlafySZN]

Romy stings for sure. I loved that kid and wanted the best for him. I am very intrigued by Dach. I hope the trade for him wasn't purely meant to soften the blow of taking Slaf instead of the centre in Wright. I suspect that Hughes and Gorton are both very high on his potential, and I would like to think they wouldn't have made such a move without ample scouting of Dach and what his potential is. I give it a 50/50 at this point turning out better for us. I really hope it isn't Serg/Drouin 2.0 though.

Time will tell...but for now, welcome aboard Kirby! Get ready for a ride!

Romanov is not close to be as good as sergachev, not the same kind of prospect. Romanov was good but he doesn’t have much offense in him and his decisions with the puck was usually not very good. He has many years to develop still but it’s not like losing Sergachev