Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal

[Rob Sense]

Is Dach really injury prone or did he merely sustain a freak injury that was poorly rehabbed and from which he came back too soon? If Dach had a history of missing a lot of playing time before his wrist injury, I’d agree. But outside of his wrist injury (one that is very difficult to heal), what about him says that he’s injury prone?

We need to stop with this. it has been 18 months and he has played almost 90 games since his injury. It is done...if not he is damaged, should retire and sue Chicago for rushing him. Can we turn the page on his wrist and let him play in a semi-normal environment???

 

[JeffreyLFC]

We have to be honest on who Dach is at this point; he’s a reclamation project. For all intents and purposes, Dach has little to blame for it but it is what it is. He wasn’t developped properly, injury prone and worst of all expected to be something he couldn’t be which was to take over from the stars of the Hawks right away. Crazy expectations.

Scouts fell in love with his tools and size combo like they always do. He was never a goal scorer nor a physical beast. He won’t become one here either. Not a particular good player defensively either or a faceoff specialist. Now with the injuries he’s even more at risk of not developing these areas. If they think MSL can work with him and getting the most of his abilities, they think that Marty can do anything.

I agree with you on all fronts; we have put faith in our development team to bring forward the best out of every young player. I’m worried about it with Dach because he’s down the wrong path. We better hope MSL and co do little miracles.

He does have good hockey sense (which is positive) but it is worrying that he does not seem to improve on any aspect of his game in year 3 of his professional career. In a sense it is a bit similar to Kotkaniemi. He has the tool to become a Getzlaf but the time is ticking for him to improve his game.

 

[SlafySZN]

We need to stop with this. it has been 18 months and he has played almost 90 games since his injury. It is done...if not he is damaged, should retire and sue Chicago for rushing him. Can we turn the page on his wrist and let him play in a semi-normal environment???

We finally agree on something lol

 

[SlafySZN]

He does have good hockey sense (which is positive) but it is worrying that he does not seem to improve on any aspect of his game in year 3 of his professional career. In a sense it is a bit similar to Kotkaniemi. He has the tool to become a Getzlaf but the time is ticking for him to improve his game.

He had a good rookie year at 18, then got his wrist destroyed played less than 20 games the next year and last year he was playing up and down the line up, as center, as winger, no time to adjust and actually improve in the shit show chicago were in last year. I don’t see how he could’ve improved in those situations

 

[Runner77]

We need to stop with this. it has been 18 months and he has played almost 90 games since his injury. It is done...if not he is damaged, should retire and sue Chicago for rushing him. Can we turn the page on his wrist and let him play in a semi-normal environment???

Who’s “we”?

I was merely responding to the post that made the claim since the poster tabbed Dach as “injury prone” (not my words). Hence, I was questioning where he got that. There is no “we”, not everyone has the opinion that you are claiming.

How about letting the poster who made the assertion, explain himself?

But no, why ask a simple question when we can do it your way, instead?

 

[Rob Sense]

Who’s “we”?

I was merely responding to the post that made the claim since the poster tabbed Dach as “injury prone” (not my words). Hence, I was questioning where he got that. There is no “we”, not everyone has the opinion that you are claiming.

How about letting the poster who made the assertion, explain himself?

But no, why ask a simple question when we can do it your way, instead?

I have given the same response to identical random posts about Dach's "injured" wrist many times since the trade. Nobody from the Blackhawks or Canadiens mentioned anything about a lingering injury. Why do posters bring this up? this is not the first 19 year old to fracture a bone. "We" are people in the known universe!

 

[Runner77]

I have given the same response to identical random posts about Dach's "injured" wrist many times since the trade. Nobody from the Blackhawks or Canadiens mentioned anything about a lingering injury. Why do posters bring this up? this is not the first 19 year old to fracture a bone. "We" are people in the known universe!

OK, take it up with the poster who made the claim, if you wish. I don’t have it as a mission to track everything you post.

There is no “we” when you seem to be running your own personal campaign. I have no horse in this race. If someone makes a claim that is not immediately supported by a source, I’d rather ask on the off chance that they may have one. And if not, then all the better. I get to move on to the next thing.

 

[Team_Spirit]

Eddy O seems salty lol

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

We better hope MSL and co do little miracles.

Around here, it's called Marty Magic

And while I think we were fleeced in terms of value, I'm a believer in Ze Great Martini, so let's see if he can pull another rabbit out of his helmet.

 

[Kennerback]

OK, take it up with the poster who made the claim, if you wish. I don’t have it as a mission to track everything you post.

There is no “we” when you seem to be running your own personal campaign. I have no horse in this race. If someone makes a claim that is not immediately supported by a source, I’d rather ask on the off chance that they may have one. And if not, then all the better. I get to move on to the next thing.

His shot sucks right nowadays . He’s barely even using it. He can’t win faceoffs. One possible explanation is that it’s wrist related.

 

[Runner77]

His shot sucks right nowadays . He’s barely even using it. He can’t win faceoffs. One possible explanation is that it’s wrist related.

How does his shot and faceoff ability compare to before his injury? We don’t know enough about Dach and it’s a long wait before we can judge for ourselves.

 

[Gustave]

Is Dach really injury prone or did he merely sustain a freak injury that was poorly rehabbed and from which he came back too soon? If Dach had a history of missing a lot of playing time before his wrist injury, I’d agree. But outside of his wrist injury (one that is very difficult to heal), what about him says that he’s injury prone?

So my injury prone comment comes from the wrist injury yes, but also from a shoulder problem he has or had, and a concussion he got from a rookie tournament a couple of years ago.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Tried listening to his last podcast and it was brutal.....shut it down in the first few minutes.

 

[SlafySZN]

Tried listening to his last podcast and it was brutal.....shut it down in the first few minutes.

Podcast with Dach is already up?

 

[Runner77]

So my injury prone comment comes from the wrist injury yes, but also from a shoulder problem he has or had, and a concussion he got from a rookie tournament a couple of years ago.

Thanks for the added details. Would you not say the other injuries are more common for a hockey player and that most will incur them at some point? We’ve not heard of any re-injury to his shoulder, nor of another concussion event although I’m questioning how many concussions are actively reported in the first place, in the junior ranks.

All in all, the biggest hurdle and suppressor looks to have been his wrist procedure and from the looks of it, he’s over that. As long as he’s healthy, I’m confident that the new development and skills people we have in place, will take him on the right path.

 

[admiralcadillac]

The question we need to ask ourselves is the following:

Can you open a pickle jar Mr. Dach? Specifically, can you open one with the use of your wrists?

 

[ref19]

You're speaking from personal experience with him?

No. Just well known bro.

 

[Gustave]

Thanks for the added details. Would you not say the other injuries are more common for a hockey player and that most will incur them at some point? We’ve not heard of any re-injury to his shoulder, nor of another concussion event although I’m questioning how many concussions are actively reported in the first place, in the junior ranks.

All in all, the biggest hurdle and suppressor looks to have been his wrist procedure and from the looks of it, he’s over that. As long as he’s healthy, I’m confident that the new development and skills people we have in place, will take him on the right path.

Your point about injuries in junior is spot on. Drouin got more than a couple concussions and they where under reported.

The shoulder thing can be worrisome, he sprained it and missed about ten or so games. I only mentioned it because there’s always something around Dach to derail any momentum he can gather.

Maybe those days are behind him and he can become a 2C going forward. We’d be happy and lucky if/when it happens.

 

[417]

13 th overall pick for a reclamation project is a big price to pay
Then add In giving Romanov up to get that pick
That’s a lot to give up

I don't know....reclamation project is a bit of a misnomer.

It's not like the Hawks gave him away or that he's 27yrs old going on his 4th team.

It's easy to forget but he was in the same draft class as Caufield.

Imagine the Habs keep Ducharme, what are we labeling Caufield then?

 

[BigDaddyLurch]

 

[Boris Le Tigre]

I took this guy way too high in my hockey pool last year. He owes me one.

 

[NORiculous]

13 th overall pick for a reclamation project is a big price to pay
Then add In giving Romanov up to get that pick
That’s a lot to give up

The 13th overall and Romanov are the same thing, they don’t add up.

So it’s basically giving Romanov to get Dach.

I was shocked at first but have warmed up because if it works, it’s a home run.

It could fail though, there is more risk and more reward possible with Dach. Since Romanov was at a position with depth, I find it acceptable.

We will see if Hughes and his team did their homework.

 

[Hacketts]

 

[FourQuarters]

Your point about injuries in junior is spot on. Drouin got more than a couple concussions and they where under reported.

The shoulder thing can be worrisome, he sprained it and missed about ten or so games. I only mentioned it because there’s always something around Dach to derail any momentum he can gather.

Maybe those days are behind him and he can become a 2C going forward. We’d be happy and lucky if/when it happens.

I don't think the shoulder sprain is serious. The injury occurred in the final month of the season, and Blackhawks' season has been "over", they don't need him back at the end of a season like that.

 

[Belial]

I don't know....reclamation project is a bit of a misnomer.

It's not like the Hawks gave him away or that he's 27yrs old going on his 4th team.

It's easy to forget but he was in the same draft class as Caufield.

Imagine the Habs keep Ducharme, what are we labeling Caufield then?

Due to the fact that he started playing in the NHL right after being drafted, it gives a false sensation that he's already been in the league forever.