Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal
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I’m very bullish on MSL but I’m not sure we can rely on him to fix Dach. Dach is a project in three ways — both to recover from his injuries and to unlearn his bad habits and still to improve his weaknesses.
Not fair to expect MSL to work miracles.
But it would be fair to criticize HuGo if Dach continues on his trajectory to bust — it was an unnecessary acquisition and at a high price.
Adam Michaels
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Yes, Columbus was 12th. I made the mistake. However, my point still stood that if it was only picks, then Habs' offer was better than Columbus', which is why Dach is with the Habs.
With 25 goals in 154 games, and a 35% faceoff percentage. On top of lengthy injury history. Dach has a long ways to go to be productive NHLer. This could turn into Johnthan Drouin 2.0
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I’m worried about his finishing skills. He never shot much as he’s a pass first guy. Then there’s the wrist fracture history. Tall order for Habs development to jump that hurdle.
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For a reasonable expectation production wise, take any big 6:4, 3rd line Center with some puck skill but not quite top-6 production numbers. It can still be a good trade. If his Defensive game is adjusted, he can still be a solid two way contributor that’s hard to play against and can pitch in a timely point. If he does anything more offensively, it’s gravy.
ReimanSum1908
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Precisely. Due to his inability or unwillingness to leverage his size and his lack of skill with faceoffs, he doesn't seem to have any future as a center at the very least, even if he does manage to put his game together in some way. If he reaches the level of Drouin in terms of production, absent injuries and truly unfortunate mental health issues, we would be very, very lucky.
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It's pretty strange that Hughes was so upbeat about this acquisition, all things considered.
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admiralcadillac
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He's 21, has anyone considered that leveraging size in the NHL is something that takes years of training and natural growth?
What the poster is saying is that Dach wasn't able to be physically dominant at ages 18, 19 and 20 in the NHL.
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I believe he's not a Dubois or Slaf type with his size. In Junior, he might have appeared to be physical cause he was bigger and it's easier to out muscle players in their teens. In the NHL, you can get humbled pretty quickly cause it's top notch quality with so many big body's that skate well. Time and space can have a massive effect of players in the NHL. This is why so many younger players take a while to develop. Some never figure it out and some do. Lafreniere is going through the same thing
Dach is skilled but needs a lot of maturity. The physical area of his game likely comes into play for his 23-30 years cause confidence and maturity go hand and hand. He's likely not going to be as physical as Dubois but he can use his body leverage and skating better with edge work as you drives around players. Harder to move off the puck kind of thing. Same applies to KK's development but Dach is a better skater
Hughes has Gorton, Bergevin had Molson. It's different. Hughes has a vision and he needs to stick with it and not let time change it.
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Physical? No.. he didn't throw his body around much. But he was targetted physically a lot and he never backed down and still played an inside game.
in the end - I take Dach over KK any day of the week. if you look at it from that prospective Hugo totally rectified the idiotic knee jerk reaction and embarrassment last summer with the Canes.
we still have a 3rd OA Centreman (1 year older), with superior skating/strength. I think Dachs wrist injury will never be back to so-called "normal" so he will lose power in his shot, but everything else should and will be fine. Give it some time.. by this time next year if he has proven the naysayers wrong - we win. If he doesn;t show improvement we can always cut bait.. or he becomes a 3C on a friendly contract.
ReimanSum1908
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You mean one year younger, right? Or, rather, six months younger but Dach was taken in the 2019, rather than 2018, draft.
Kotkaniemi just signed a massive eight year deal, unlike Dach who is likely to get, what, 1,5 million at most? There's a reason for that: for all his deficiencies - one of which is leg strength that is in the process of being rectified - Kotkaniemi is simply the better hockey player of the two, and his club recognizes that.
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1 year younger, not older no?
And let's give it some time, perhaps until he's 25, to see what he really is. As long as his cap hit isn't high, no need to cut ties quickly.
Ugh. So many concerns with this player. He hasn't been a real scorer since AAA. Best year in Junior was barely PPG. Injury history.
Huge risk with pretty low odds of success. Hughes should have kept the pick from the Romanov deal and drafted a center.
Huge risk with pretty low odds of success. Hughes should have kept the pick from the Romanov deal and drafted a center.
The thing that's most encouraging about the potential for Dach to make improvements for the Habs is that all the things he needs to work on (attacking the middle, initiating contact to create space and protect the puck, cutting to the inside off the rush rather than getting forced to the boards, playing with more pace in the offensive zone) are all things Nick Suzuki was able to add to his game as a worse skater and at 5'11".
St. Louis has the perfect model in Suzuki for all the things Dach needs to learn to do, and if Suzuki could learn all those things without the skating and size Dach has I think we have good reason to be optimistic about how this could work out.
St. Louis has the perfect model in Suzuki for all the things Dach needs to learn to do, and if Suzuki could learn all those things without the skating and size Dach has I think we have good reason to be optimistic about how this could work out.
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Better believe in the young man's talent. He's 6 '4'' and a former 3rd overall pick, team captain. 21 years old. Where were you at that age? Were you forever defined? I don't believe it. Dach can become a star if things click in his mind.
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tooji
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I mean it’s clear they see this as buying low on a player that has way more potential than is being shown. They think their staff can unlock that potential. I also agree that we traded from a position of strength — we are loaded with D prospects, and weak at forward prospects.
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tooji
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If you think Dach is no more than a 3C, then sure. If you see him as a kid with top 6 upside, then I disagree.
BenchBrawl
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Dach's size is a form of guarantee against him dropping out of the NHL. That in itself is valuable. With this safe ground on which to stand, you can now gamble on his upside without any risk.
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