Player Discussion Kirby Dach: Welcome to Montreal part 2

[26Mats]

It will depend of the D especially, If Guhle Harris Sheriff start to struggle in 10 games…the season is still young, personally i dont think we draft past 6 pre lottery, and who know maybe its the year 1 team in that range win a top 2 spot

I think MSL is starting to find line combos that work. If he ever gets to something like the following, with the deadweight out of the lineup, we may be a decent team:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Heineman - Monahan - Slaf
Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez/Pitlick - Evans - Armia

Matheson - Eddy
Guhle - Savard
Harris - Kovacevic/Xhekaj
Wideman

Allen
Montembault

 

[BaseballCoach]

I think MSL is starting to find line combos that work. If he ever gets to something like the following, with the deadweight out of the lineup, we may be a decent team:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Heineman - Monahan - Slaf
Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez/Pitlick - Evans - Armia

Matheson - Eddy
Guhle - Savard
Harris - Kovacevic/Xhekaj
Wideman

Allen
Montembault

Monahan - Suzuki - Caufield
Slaf - Dach - Anderson
Heineman - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez/Pitlick - Evans - Armia

 

[26Mats]

Monahan - Suzuki - Caufield
Slaf - Dach - Anderson
Heineman - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez/Pitlick - Evans - Armia

I'd ride out Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher for a little bit. The Dvorak-Gallagher duo have been looking for a 3rd wheel for a while, and so far so good with Anderson.

 

[Toene]

Before Slafkovsky, the last three blue chippers we added were drafted 13th, 15th and 16th.

Yes, you can find gold beyond 10oa, I never pretended the contrary. I'm not even advocating for a tank. That said, to have the opportunity to draft a franchise player to add on top of what we already have would garantee us to be in the conversation for best core in the league.

We're not gonna win shit this year anyway. I will cheer every night, if we make the playoffs I'll be the cringiest fanboy. But I can easily survive another losing season, and the addition of a game-changing talent will definitely raise the odds that my team goes sll the way.

I get your point, I'm not at all arguing against it. I'm saying that if they both keep a winning mentality AND secure another core player, it's a win-win in my book. But they should never AIM for losses, we agree on thay. It improves the risk of cultivating a loser-mentality. I would never wish HuGo adopt the pathetic Coyotes way.

 

[HuGort]

I'd ride out Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher for a little bit. The Dvorak-Gallagher duo have been looking for a 3rd wheel for a while, and so far so good with Anderson.

The Dvorak line would make real good third line. If we had good offensive second line behind the Suzuki line be awesome

 

[26Mats]

The Dvorak line would make real good third line. If we had good offensive second line behind the Suzuki line be awesome

I say the best we can do now is:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Heineman/Evan's- Monahan - Slaf
Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez - Evans/Pitlick - Armia


Matheson - Edmundson
Guhle - Savard
Harris - Xhekaj/Kovacevic
Wideman

Allen
Montembault

With the way the kids on D and the goalies are playing, that's a decent 23 man roster hockey team, unfortunately for those of us that want a top 5 pick.

 

[Rob Sense]

is this the Dach thread?

 

[salbutera]

What I’ve come to learn / appreciate in the cap era, the most important core asset is a Norris trophy caliber Dman.

No team has won a Cup in the cap era without one - whereas teams have won without elite forward or G

Habs don’t have that core asset presently - can only hope Guhle or Mailloux become that asset

 

[WeThreeKings]

Not surprising that playing with players who can think the game and have talent that he's rewarded with 2 assists. Could have had another on that sweet feed to Caufield.

Did have that one terrible blind pass in his own zone that was turned over. He needs to make sure he shoulder checks before making those passes in the future.

I'm good with keeping him on the wing as part of that trio until he gets some consistent production, gets more confidence and then put him back to center his own line.

 

[Andy]

Not surprising that playing with players who can think the game and have talent that he's rewarded with 2 assists. Could have had another on that sweet feed to Caufield.

Did have that one terrible blind pass in his own zone that was turned over. He needs to make sure he shoulder checks before making those passes in the future.

I'm good with keeping him on the wing as part of that trio until he gets some consistent production, gets more confidence and then put him back to center his own line.

I’ve noticed Kirby stops skating/slows down when he stick handles and it causes him to lose space. I think he could be more of a threat if he remained in forward motion while handling the puck.

I’d like to see him challenge defenders more by cutting to the middle of the nice when on the boards or cutting down the middle of neutral zone when carrying the puck.

The tools are there, especially the vision to identify passing lanes and get the puck through to those lanes.

He’s just missing that ability to put defenders on their toes. I’m not sure how he will do that, but offensively, it really is the missing piece.

 

[Andrei79]

What I’ve come to learn / appreciate in the cap era, the most important core asset is a Norris trophy caliber Dman.

No team has won a Cup in the cap era without one - whereas teams have won without elite forward or G

Habs don’t have that core asset presently - can only hope Guhle or Mailloux become that asset

Both Pittsburgh and Carolina won a cup without a Norris caliber D.

 

[salbutera]

Both Pittsburgh and Carolina won a cup without a Norris caliber D.

Letang ..

Canes were the exception , I agree - year-1 of cap era and irrational offensive output resulting in career years for many players driven by PP opportunities never seen again

 

[Runner77]

Not surprising that playing with players who can think the game and have talent that he's rewarded with 2 assists. Could have had another on that sweet feed to Caufield.

Did have that one terrible blind pass in his own zone that was turned over. He needs to make sure he shoulder checks before making those passes in the future.

I'm good with keeping him on the wing as part of that trio until he gets some consistent production, gets more confidence and then put him back to center his own line.

What if the wing is where Dach performs best? We do have other center options in the pipeline and hopefully, another incoming further to the 2023 draft.

 

[Andrei79]

Letang ..

Canes were the exception , I agree - year-1 of cap era and irrational offensive output resulting in career years for many players driven by PP opportunities never seen again

Letang was injured their whole 2017 run.

 

[WeThreeKings]

What if the wing is where Dach performs best? We do have other center options in the pipeline and hopefully, another incoming further to the 2023 draft.

I don't imagine wing is where he works best, he's got a center skill set. But never hurts if he can do both.

 

[Sagikev]

Before Slafkovsky, the last three blue chippers we added were drafted 13th, 15th and 16th.

Yeah but that was extreme luck that they fell there and good drafting. Realistically, we probably won't get another potential top of the lineup player around those draft spots. We were just damn f***ing lucky (and we DESERVED to be lmao, few years prior to those drafts, we sucked hard at drafting with next to no luck)

 

[yianik]

Unless he's the new Adam Oates whereby he can score 10 goals but yet get 60 assists, I would say he needs a legitimate wrist shot, which he needs to use.

Face off wise lol.

Look I'm good with him so far, no question. Definitely a work in progress and patience is needed. See what we have after next season.

 

[Andrei79]

Before Slafkovsky, the last three blue chippers we added were drafted 13th, 15th and 16th.

Curious, but who's the 13th ? Last guy I remember at that spot was Hainsey. Were you referring to McDonagh ? In any case, I'd add 9th to that list (Sergachev).

 

[Andy]

Curious, but who's the 13th ? Last guy I remember at that spot was Hainsey. Were you referring to McDonagh ? In any case, I'd add 9th to that list (Sergachev).

Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield

 

[Andrei79]

Suzuki, Guhle, Caufield

Oh right, I misread how he worded it. I see he wrote "added" while I read drafted.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Oh right, I misread how he worded it. I see he wrote "added" while I read drafted.

And we got Suzuki by trading a former 22OA.

We also got Dach by trading a former 38OA + 66 and 98.

Finally, about Sergachev notice how a 9OA is so much better than the 3OA we got back.

The key is not to put all our hopes on one pick, but to to have lots of 1st round picks and good evaluators, then good development. Moonshotting the generational player is not a realistic management goal.

 

[rahad]

Yeah but that was extreme luck that they fell there and good drafting. Realistically, we probably won't get another potential top of the lineup player around those draft spots. We were just damn f***ing lucky (and we DESERVED to be lmao, few years prior to those drafts, we sucked hard at drafting with next to no luck)

We deserve some luck. David Pastnak has drafted one rank above us in the 2014 draft.If Dach play better in the wing, I hope we draft in the top 3. Great center in this year draft.

 

[Playmaker09]

Didn't catch the game last night, but as I mentioned previously, he looked electric playing RW with Lafreniere and Krebs at the U18s. Best I've ever seem him play.

He's fits that rangy strong-side playmaker mold like Huberdeau or Wheeler. If he can polish that side of his game, you have yourself a player.

Too often is the focus placed on improving weaknesses (shot, willingness to shoot, physicality) rather than sharpening strengths into legitimate NHL caliber weapons.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Monahan - Suzuki - Caufield
Slaf - Dach - Anderson
Heineman - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez/Pitlick - Evans - Armia

Caufield has played every game under MSL on the left......I don't see that changing

 

[BargainBinSpecial]

I think MSL is starting to find line combos that work. If he ever gets to something like the following, with the deadweight out of the lineup, we may be a decent team:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Heineman - Monahan - Slaf
Anderson - Dvorak - Gallagher
Pez/Pitlick - Evans - Armia

Matheson - Eddy
Guhle - Savard
Harris - Kovacevic/Xhekaj
Wideman

Allen
Montembault

Still see dead weight on there: Armia, Gallagher, Dvorak, Monahan, Wideman, Savard. All except for Armia and Wideman are actually showing some promise early in the season.